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CRK Slipjoint.....!!!

Discussion in 'Chris Reeve Knives' started by nyefmaker, May 31, 2018.

  1. tank sniper

    tank sniper

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    Jan 8, 2018
    Awesome.... I am most impressed!
     
  2. PiterM

    PiterM Gold Member Gold Member

    Mar 27, 2000
    It runs on full size Sebenza-style washers, nested inside Ti scales. The tolerances are insanly precize, so it looks like a traditional slipjoint but is has full washers and blade doesn’t touch Ti scales.
     
  3. peppercorn

    peppercorn Regular Dude Gold Member

    Jan 31, 2009
    Thanks, Piter.
    It looks as though you’re using this for edc? If so, it would be great to read your thoughts from a CRK relative perspective.
     
  4. PiterM

    PiterM Gold Member Gold Member

    Mar 27, 2000
    Just couple of days so far, but I can already say it’s one tough folder! It’s like Large Sebenza and Victorinox Pioneer had a child. Very easy to use, slim and slick. I like the progresive spring action, initially opens quite easily, but at about 90 deg that progresive joint geometry takes over and it opens with very satisfying CLACK! To close it you really need to press on a blade, no way it can close under non-abusive use. Love the new contoured clip, and the nested washers are just bloody good! It looks like a classic slipjoint, but moves smooooothly on huge bronze washers.

    I also like the blade shape, which I’ve already seen in Harsey FIXED custom - Tactical Trout Mini. It was just like that. It’s made for precize work, especially the tip.

    I think it’s a beginning of new exciting era in CRK. So far it was all about new variants of Sebenza (not a bad thing) but THIS is somethin COMPLETELY new. And it looks so clean... just a tiny logo on the outside. I think we will see ‚new CRK’ under leadership of Anne and Tim.

    Anything I don’t like? So far... not much. Also I can’t wait to see micarta inlay variant. It just beggs for that! Also it’d be supercool to see a slim dedicated belt sheath at some point.

    It’s a great EDC, especially for me since I travel across EU quite a lot... more thoughts to come :)

    (sorry for typos, typed on iPhone in a car... but I’m not drivier now, of course)
     
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  5. bvo85

    bvo85 Gold Member Gold Member

    408
    Apr 27, 2017
    That's what every CRK folding knife looked like prior to 2010.

    I really hope CRK never removes the Made in Idaho marking on their 21 series, because then I'd be wasting tons of money on new inlay models and UGs. They would be too clean and pretty for me to resist!
     
  6. PiterM

    PiterM Gold Member Gold Member

    Mar 27, 2000
    Night in a mountain hut...

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  7. My UKPK

    My UKPK

    2
    Jun 9, 2018
    Ive been dreaming of a slippy from CR knives for years , living in the U.K. and traveling to Europe several times a year it’s a god send carrying something other than my trusty Swiss Army knife . This is why in the U.K. And Europe .. Sal and his Spyderco UKPK was such a massive hit , virtually every edc’er in the U.K. carry’s a UKPK ... ITS NOT BECAUSE THEY GIVE THE HOLDER MAGICAL POWERS , It’s because there legal to carry and in places like London if your slippy is a few mil over 3” your [email protected] , seriously you get to spend a day in court , pleading your case , and Europe has very similar knife laws . And if this new CR slipjoint is a tab over 3” they have lost a massive market ... THIS IS LIKE A BAD JOKE . WE WILL MAKE AND GIVE YOU A SLIPJOINT KNIFE , BUT MAKE IT ILLEGAL TO CARRY IN EUROPE.

    What a bunch of [email protected] wits !!!!!!
     
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  8. Murphjd25

    Murphjd25 Gold Member Gold Member

    Apr 27, 2016
    Welcome to the forum! :poop:
     
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  9. LMT66

    LMT66

    Jun 18, 2008
    Have you read the forum rules? Might want to check your attitude too.
     
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  10. My UKPK

    My UKPK

    2
    Jun 9, 2018
    Ok Ok as some members have pointed out I’ve over stepped the mark, I know.

    I didn’t mean to offend. I live in the U.K. where we have some of the most draconian knife laws in the world, I own several small Sebenza’s but sadly I can’t carry them due to fear of arrest .. and I did genuinely dream that one day a slipjoint version of a sebenza would arrive to us Europeans something we could get excited about ( we don’t get many knives for us ) ... this is why when spyderco brought out the UKPK it was a breath of fresh air a penknife which we could actually carry .. and then this morning I find OMG CR Knives have designed a slipjoint YOU DONT KNOW HOW EXCITED I GOT , a CR knife us European could proudly carry a “sebenza slipjoint” only too find out it might/could/will be several mm to large to carry legally..:(

    I did over step the mark but out of pure pure frustration, if the blade was a tiny bit smaller it would have been a perfect legal knife, for so many euro knife fans ... but sadly not.

    Anyway I’ve said my piece .

    I will sign out and go ....

    and if I did offend as I said it was just out of frustration.

    Apologies to everyone....
     
  11. bvo85

    bvo85 Gold Member Gold Member

    408
    Apr 27, 2017
    I actually hope CRK reads this person's post. I don't understand why CRK couldn't have made a forum post or facebook fan post or instagram post asking "What features in a slip joint are you most interested in?"

    And within a few hours, several people would have said sub-3" blade with the rationale why, and that would have gone back to the engineering dept, before they started anything else. In doing this, CRK would have spilled the beans that they might be working on a slip joint, but who cares? I would have rather the surprise been spoiled and had a properly sized blade that was 3/32" smaller than what they released.

    I don't live in England. I will still probably buy an Impinda at 3.1", but I understand this person's frustration and it seemingly could have been prevented with the bare minimum of market research. Quite frankly, I'm shocked given how much detail goes into the engineering of every CRK knife and how much care goes into their incredible customer service (which is by far the best service I've ever received from any knife company).
     
  12. bhyde

    bhyde UNNECESSARY EVIL Staff Member Super Mod Moderator Platinum Member

    Mar 19, 2002
    Don't tell Bill Harsey and Tim Reeve that the blade is over 3"..both have said on numerous posts on FB it's right at 3".
    I don't own one, so I have no idea what the length is or where it's supposed to be measured from.
     
  13. bvo85

    bvo85 Gold Member Gold Member

    408
    Apr 27, 2017
    Interesting. They have changed the design specs on their website. It was previously listed at 3.123" blade length and is now listed at 3". I was able to find the original page on Google Cache.

    I wonder which of the following happened:

    1) It always was 3" and the website had a typographical error

    2) The models at Blade Show were 3.123" and in response to initial feedback, they've decided to retool the production version to be slightly shorter, which doesn't seem that hard to do, given no changes to the handle. Maybe a few minutes in CAD to shorten the blade.

    3) They've decided to change the way the blade length is measured for legal reasons. Everything is the same as before, but they realized the 3" legality reason, so have decided to no longer count the sharpening choil or something.

    The reason this matters is because if it's #3 then a court might find the blade length really is 3.123" using a different method of measurement. While most people reading this will find it implausible that they'd find themselves in court worrying about .123" of a slipjoint pocket knife, it could be a felony conviction that ruins your life if you're the unlucky person caught in the net. I've heard thousands of NYC residents have felony charges for "Gravity Knives" over the last few years for merely possessing a standard folding knife. It seems implausible until you hear that clickity clack of the cuffs.

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    http://chrisreeve.com/knife-specifications.html
     
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  14. Peter Hartwig

    Peter Hartwig Gold Member Gold Member

    Feb 29, 2008
    May be here somewhere, but what is the restriction in the UK in MM?
    If were saying it is too large for a countries rules we at least need to put it in the right format-to see by how much if any.
     
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  15. Wavicle

    Wavicle Gold Member Gold Member

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    Jul 22, 2014
    I find the length of the blade discussion very interesting. I would argue that it's 3.00" if the impossible happened and it was checked for compliance (here in the US in particular work areas). My assumption is the person or persons measuring it would have a crummy office desk ruler and not have a clue what part of the blade counts in the measurement. Now, if they see 3.5" then sure, it's over the limit, but the difference between 3.00 and 3.12 is too close to make that judgement in a situation like that. Maybe in the UK and London in particular the police carry a precision Starrett ruler with them to make accurate measurements.
     
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  16. bhyde

    bhyde UNNECESSARY EVIL Staff Member Super Mod Moderator Platinum Member

    Mar 19, 2002
    Someone may have used the length generated from the length of the arc on the blade not knowing any better. Not sure what the deal is..I will be headed over to CRK next week I think.. Will try to get a bit of clarification on that. Either way, I think the knife companies are usually pretty versed on the requirements on most of the laws around the world..It would be a requirement in those markets I would think.
     
  17. bvo85

    bvo85 Gold Member Gold Member

    408
    Apr 27, 2017
    In the event that the only ruler that's available is a crummy office desk ruler, and the knife is just a hair over 3", who do you think will win the initial police encounter? Will the officer say "well, sir, all I have I this crappy ruler and even though it's a hair over 3", I will give you the benefit of the doubt and you're free to leave" or do you think the officer will make the arrest and let the court system sort it out (at the cost of tens of thousands of dollars in legal fees and lost work and nonrefundable bail bonds fees)?

    If it gets to the point in a police encounter where the officer is pulling out a ruler, it's because the officer wants to arrest you. If the officer didn't want to arrest you, he wouldn't take out a ruler, because then if the ruler showed over 3", then the officer might become compelled to arrest you (depending on how much officer discretion is allowed in that legal area), and he's already decided to let you go so why bother measuring?

    There's a reason why Mossberg makes 18.5" shotgun barrels when the minimum legal length must be 18" or greater. Mossberg, which is probably the second largest manufacturer of shotguns after Remington, doesn't even make an 18" barrel model. Because if a small amount of wear occurred and the barrel became 17.99", then it would become a short-barrel shotgun which is 10 years in prison. So Mossberg errs on the side of caution and adds the extra 1/2".

    To extend this logic to knives, it would make sense if the law was 3" maximum length, that a knife might be 2.95" and in fact, the Small Sebenza just so happens to be 2.94". Coincidence? Maybe, but I like to think Chris Reeve himself designed the size of the small to be safe under 3" knife law locations.

    While I applaud CRK for retroactively changing the blade length from 3.123" down to 3", personally, I'd like to have seen it at 2.95" or so. The 0.05" of blade length would be imperceivable during any kind of use, but could save tens of thousands of dollars in legal costs, should the official court measure it to be even 3.01". I don't think the street cop would have access to precision measuring tools, or even care, because other factors related to the encounter will determine if he wants to arrest you. But assuming an arrest is made, if you can have your lawyer compel the court to measure the knife and it's 2.95", then you can get the charges dismissed with much less effort than if it measures 3.01" and you have to spend thousands of dollars on expect witnesses to refute the measuring device and calibration the court used.

    When I get my Impinda, I may asked a skilled friend of mine to sharpen it in such a way that it removes 0.05" off the tip, but not in a way that CRK would consider it modified and refuse spa service in the future. That's such a small amount of material that it should be imperceivable to me but potentially stave off a worst-case scenario in courts, if I carry it in an area with strict rules.
     
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  18. NCHunter78

    NCHunter78 Gold Member Gold Member

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    Feb 14, 2016
    I am glad I do not have to deal with this craziness in my home state. Hope that BS never spreads here.
     
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  19. bonzodog

    bonzodog Gold Member Gold Member

    Dec 3, 2011
    76.2 MM, I’m in the uk my fix would be a guick trip to the grinder.Problem over.
     
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  20. Peter Hartwig

    Peter Hartwig Gold Member Gold Member

    Feb 29, 2008
    Thanks
    So if I did the math right and it is actually 3", it should be right on that. It doesn't leave any leeway but the blade will only get shorter from here on, or as you said it can be quickly adjusted.
     
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