CS- love 'em, hate 'em- time to address some issues

Do I have an agenda? Yes.
Am I LT? No.
Why am I so vehement about posting pro-CS? Very simple. This forum and many of its members go above and beyond criticism of CS, its staff, its business practices, and its products to cross the line to half-truths, insults, and simply being wrong.

No one else on the forum, that I am aware of, knows the gang as CS as well as I do, and therefore, can only post their opinion whether it is positive or negative. That is all well and good, until the haters attempt to make their opinion a fact and they do not have their information straight. My goal is to shed some light on issues that you haters are so absolutely sure about and are simply wrong.

In a few of the above posts, it is said that I am trying to change your mminds and convert you. READ MY POSTS. I have clearly said that I know that I will never be able to change the haters. That is a lost cause. But I am hesitant to let your opinion run rampant without the alternative view being put here. This reminds me of modern politics here in the US. The Reps would like nothing more than the Dems to just shut up and go away, and the vice-versa. But what does that do? It makes one side of any argument dominate- even if it is wrong. Only through discourse can most who want information come to a concensus and make decisions. When some newbie comes on BF and asks a question re. CS, the haters immediately chime in with misinformation and insults. I am trying to put out the other view with more direct info than any of you have.

You don't like it, I don't care. You want me to shut up and go away, not likely. If what I say chases off a potential customer, than, IMHO, they were on the edge of going toward the haters anyway. I don't think that they were going to ultimately buy anyway. But I wonder about those that might now be willing to give the products a chance now that they weren't chased away by the haters. You guys imply or flat out state that anyone that likes CS must be stupid. I say that this is wrong and leave it up to the end user to make a decision. Let the product speak for itself. You haters want to build a wall between the knife user and CS. I am just trying to break down that wall.
 
DngrRuss1 said:
Why am I so vehement about posting pro-CS? Very simple. This forum and many of its members go above and beyond criticism of CS, its staff, its business practices, and its products to cross the line to half-truths, insults, and simply being wrong...[snip]...You haters want to build a wall between the knife user and CS. I am just trying to break down that wall.
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What is your opinion of Gerber? Plenty of trash talk occurs here about Gerber too for many of the same reasons Cold Steel gets bashed (cheap materials, borrowing design concepts, etc) .

Why aren't you battin' for them also? How is Gerber different than Cold Steel?
 
DngrRuss1

I don't hate CS, nor would I hesitate to recommend some of their knives. I do think that Cold Steel has reaped what they have sown though. P.T. Barnum marketing tactics and designs that mimic other makers has hurt their reputation. No amount of Words will change this, only Actions can improve their image.
 
Walking Man said:
To heck with it!!!!
Who wants to chip in to get DungRuss a custom title?
Maybe Cold Steel SpinDoctor?
Or Defender of the Undefendable
Or ..... Here's a good one.
Cold Steel Quixote!
Keep stabbing those windmills, DungRuss, I'm sure it might get you nowhere quickly!
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How about "The Shill" :thumbup:

It is called Tilting at windmills, BTW. ;)
 
Deadhead Archer said:
What is your opinion of Gerber? Plenty of trash talk occurs here about Gerber too for many of the same reasons Cold Steel gets bashed (cheap materials, borrowing design concepts, etc) .

Why aren't you battin' for them also? How is Gerber different than Cold Steel?
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He doesn't work for Gerber.;)

Gerber gets far more negativity than does cold steel, because in general they have shoddy products. CRKT is starting to get a lot of flack for some of their unpopular decisions such as using 420J2 as a blade steel.

If there is anyone to blame for the negativity that Cold Steel gets, it is LT.
He makes the videos, and the BS hype comes directly from his mouth.
 
Rat Finkenstein said:
He doesn't work for Gerber.;)
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He also quickly vanished from the forum after his latest manifesto. ;) Not that what I personally said had anything to do with it...but more because he is a shill.

Bring it people! He's got MORE! :rolleyes:

Bring it!
 
DngrRuss1, if you are trying to be truthful about LT and CS, do you have any negative critizisms towards them. As long as we are trying to bring out some truth, there is no reason for you to be biased.
 
I buy from Cold Steel because I can afford their knives.
I like many others as well, but the price/feature combination of some of the Cold Steel pieces works for me. (I like the 6" Ti-Lite a lot. :D )

PS I had a Steel Tiger on backorder, but I got tired of waiting, so I cancelled it and ordered an AK-47 instead. I will see how good it *really* is!

PSS Death's Head: Where did you get that ring? I want one! ;)
 
Yes, CRKT down graded to 420J2, but at least they're upfront about it and actually pay designers for their designs
 
Awee well, :foot:

Here is my appology, I am sorry.

I figured, I might as well delete this post. The quote in KVs post should everybody give the idea.
 
HoB said:
Andrew Demko doesn't have any patents!
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Maybe you should have read all of the pages. If you did you would have found this...

http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3705467&postcount=69

The patent number was issued on Dec. 31, 2005. Quite possible that the database has not been updated. Andrew gave me this info directly. Regardless of that fact I still think DngRuss1 is a shiller and CS's integrity sucks.
 
Well, the database has been updated. A patent with my name on it dated Feb 21, 2006 is already in the database. The latest patent under the search term "Demko" is from April, 2006. That means that the patent was not issued to anyone with the name "Demko"...if it was issued. I am not very familiar with the procedure as I am only a (very minor) inventor and not a patent attorney, but I seem to recall that the fact that an application has been issued a number, does not mean, that it has been granted yet. But I gladly stand corrected, if someone else knows better. However, at the moment it is a pretty safe bet to say that no person with the name "Demko" has been issued a patent in the US that in any way relates to knives or opening of such. Maybe DngrRuss1 misspelled Andrews last name?

So in many ways I still want to see that patent before I am willing to fully apologize, but I admit, I was a bit rash in my previous post.
 
theocguy85 said:
I buy from Cold Steel because I can afford their knives.
I like many others as well, but the price/feature combination of some of the Cold Steel pieces works for me. (I like the 6" Ti-Lite a lot. :D )

PS I had a Steel Tiger on backorder, but I got tired of waiting, so I cancelled it and ordered an AK-47 instead. I will see how good it *really* is!

PSS Death's Head: Where did you get that ring? I want one! ;)
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Thanks for the complement theocguy85.
Do a search for "tear-jerker" and you will find a thread all about it.:thumbup:
 
SO if the consensus is that CS is junk WTF am I to do with my five CS products? I have never had anything to say about any of them, especially my Vaquero Grande.. it is a great camping beater..:grumpy:
 
Dreadnought said:
SO if the consensus is that CS is junk WTF am I to do with my five CS products? I have never had anything to say about any of them, especially my Vaquero Grande.. it is a great camping beater..:grumpy:
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No, if you read the thread, there is no concensus that CS is junk. There are many issues discussed, but the quality of most of the stuff is ok. The issue really isnt with the knives or the companies that make them. The problem is with LT's hype machine and the Shill who started this thread. In case you were not aware, Cold Steel is a marketing company and manufactures nothing. (except DVD's and catalogs)
 
Dreadnought said:
SO if the consensus is that CS is junk WTF am I to do with my five CS products? I have never had anything to say about any of them, especially my Vaquero Grande.. it is a great camping beater..:grumpy:
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Not all the knives they make are junk. This has been an ongoing issue that has more to do than quality of their knives. If you have CS knives that you are satisfied with, then keep them. Also, be careful when you read this thread. You may learn some things that you don't want to know.
 
I have read the thread since DngrRuss1 first posted, and I figured I'd comment. I do own some CS products and I just bought an AK-47 for my friend USAFSP to test out.I work at a knife store and see alot of CS come in and it sells very good, and one of the most mentioned reasons people know of cs is cuz of the video, or there friend saw a video. I get alot of people askin me if they can "punch it through a hood". Now I say that "yeah you can do that but you will void the warranty if it fails because that is gross abuse for almost any company" now you try to explain to joe shmoe that just saw this Lynn guy punch his companys knife through a car hood that joe shmoe cant do it too cuz it would void the warranty if it does fail, they ask "why show us that" and I say to show you that they, but its not what normal people do with their knives. Then they ask if any other knives such as spyderco or benchmade can do that.

I might not be an expert in marketing but the fact that people see or hear of what CS does in there video's sells knives to normal people, they are impressed and want that knife that does *****. CS is the #1 noticed brand by everyday people(other than buck, gerber, case...the oldies) because of their marketing(in my area that I have noticed). Now if they ask if I think Spyderco or Benchmade is better I say yes and go into reasons such as steel quality, construction, and other reasons you guys all know.

I am caught in the middle in this whole conversation; I own cs products and use them and I am not overly"impressed" but there not bad for what they are and I like some of the designs.

I would much rather see a guy walk out of my store with an endura than a voyager because of steel quality,construction,and I know spyderco will do good by them cuz they've never failed me. I dislike some of the things lynn has said and i know to be stretching the truth and sometimes its a pain in the @$$ to tell people that "well thats not exactly correct" and "No its not the strongest knife on the planet", but I gotta give him credit for puttin money in the bank, he knows how to market to the EDC(every day customer).

I look at the (in my own opinion) axis locks on the cs products and kinda shake my head and I too think ripoff, I look at the black talon and think CIVILIAN(I know spyderco and CS discussed already), and black sable TIGHE STICK. I give CS the benefit of the doubt alot but some times you just gotta look at it for what it is and until I see or hear some MORE PROOF that these designs werent just ripped I have a hard time supporting them or their product even though I do like there stuff.
 
DngrRuss1 said:
This forum and many of its members go above and beyond criticism of CS, its staff, its business practices, and its products to cross the line to half-truths, insults, and simply being wrong.
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That's funny, because those of us who dislike Cold Steel is because LT and his company's track record of half-thruths, insults, and simply being wrong.
 
SO if the consensus is that CS is junk WTF am I to do with my five CS products? I have never had anything to say about any of them, especially my Vaquero Grande.. it is a great camping beater..
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if you like them and they are good then who cares what the people here say.

i tried to get some opinions here about CS and their DVD before I knew it was such a big issue. I dont have much experience with their knives and was wondering if they were as good as they say. after reading several CS threads I don't know what to think. I will just continue to think what i thought before I read all this stuff. which is that their DVD is hype, and I will continue to be distrustful of their steels they give special names to (carbon v, san mai). I think most of their folders are ugly. I like the hamamoto, but $379 msrp??? why? cause its san mai? what the f*** is san mai? cause its "hand made"? I doubt its much more hand made than any similar knife by another manufacturer.

But they do make some cool products. Like some of their fixed blades, and the push knives. And a lot of their non-knife products are cool.
 
dont own any of their products - but, if they are on the stock market i gonna buy sum stock - if this guy gets such rabid responses from people - he doin a good job of pushin a product - i prolly go to a knife store and handle sum of cold steels products - tickles me about the responses - i have several no brand name knives/hatchets/axes that always work when i want to cut/slash/chop sumthin - never really thot about it - i know that sum of my knives hold an edge longer than others - sum i can get sharp enough to shave with and sum i cant - 99% of the people in the USA could care less about an idiot screaming a knife is better than another brand - just about like that dude advertising his book for gettin free money from the govmunt for anything - the one that wears the yellow polka dot suit - you fellows keep up the arguin - i like to read the comments - sum are intellectually challenging - sum aint -
 
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