CS- love 'em, hate 'em- time to address some issues

scrachline said:
dont own any of their products - but, if they are on the stock market i gonna buy sum stock - if this guy gets such rabid responses from people - he doin a good job of pushin a product - i prolly go to a knife store and handle sum of cold steels products - tickles me about the responses - i have several no brand name knives/hatchets/axes that always work when i want to cut/slash/chop sumthin - never really thot about it - i know that sum of my knives hold an edge longer than others - sum i can get sharp enough to shave with and sum i cant - 99% of the people in the USA could care less about an idiot screaming a knife is better than another brand - just about like that dude advertising his book for gettin free money from the govmunt for anything - the one that wears the yellow polka dot suit - you fellows keep up the arguin - i like to read the comments - sum are intellectually challenging - sum aint -
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Mr. p_Resident. Is that you ? :p
 
I am very aware of the marketing hype and business practices of CS. But who here has had a CS product fail on them personally? What are some other flaws that the knives (not Lynn) have?

I beat the everloving sh*t out of all of my folders because I purchased them online at huge discounts like most of you do here. I have not had any failures but I certainly don't want any.

I have:

Med. Vaquero
Vaquero Grande
Recon1 Tanto/Combo
Double edged Triple Action
Peace Keeper

I would never spend more than $90 on any of their knives. Most I purchased 70% OFF. I have also looked at most of the other brands and own Benchmade and Spyerco products. I feel it is like comparing GLock to Sig Sauer.
 
Andrew must have a 'patent pending' and not an actual patent issued with a number. If he had a number issued you would think that it could be found in the data base but I have not been able to find any such number.

Reading the patent from Emerson on the Wave it makes me wonder if another patent covering basically the same thing would even fly. I guess I'll believe it when someone posts the actual patent number.

STR
 
scrachline said:
dont own any of their products - but, if they are on the stock market i gonna buy sum stock - if this guy gets such rabid responses from people - he doin a good job of pushin a product - i prolly go to a knife store and handle sum of cold steels products - tickles me about the responses - i have several no brand name knives/hatchets/axes that always work when i want to cut/slash/chop sumthin - never really thot about it - i know that sum of my knives hold an edge longer than others - sum i can get sharp enough to shave with and sum i cant - 99% of the people in the USA could care less about an idiot screaming a knife is better than another brand - just about like that dude advertising his book for gettin free money from the govmunt for anything - the one that wears the yellow polka dot suit - you fellows keep up the arguin - i like to read the comments - sum are intellectually challenging - sum aint -
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Welcome to Blade forums! :D

Please use spell check! And the shift key! And punctuation! :eek:

The sum of your errors is incredible.

A friendly reminder from the Grammar Police.;)
 
Deadhead Archer said:
He also quickly vanished from the forum after his latest manifesto. ;) Not that what I personally said had anything to do with it...but more because he is a shill.
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No, I vanished because I have to work for a living- not play around all day on the internet talking about knives. Would that I could pay my bills that way, but alas, it is not so.
 
Deadhead Archer said:
What is your opinion of Gerber? Plenty of trash talk occurs here about Gerber too for many of the same reasons Cold Steel gets bashed (cheap materials, borrowing design concepts, etc) .

Why aren't you battin' for them also? How is Gerber different than Cold Steel?
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I do not currently own any Gerber knives, don't see any that trip my trigger, and do not have any relationship with the company to comment on "borrowing" designs. I do admit that they have some designs that look like others, but I would not throw out the "thief" label without having actual evidence beyond speculation.

On a personal note, I do the same with anyone. Even when I watch the news and see the "high profile crime of the day", I do not try to attach guilt or innocence to any suspect. I was not there, I don't know. After a jury decision or a confession, then I will acknowledge guilt. There are few exceptions (like the Chinese purple-handled Scimitar knock-off noted on a previous post), but for the most part I try ot give everyone the benefit of the doubt until proven otherwise.
 
Death's Head said:
DngrRuss1, if you are trying to be truthful about LT and CS, do you have any negative critizisms towards them. As long as we are trying to bring out some truth, there is no reason for you to be biased.
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Of course I have criticisms. There are both prsonal and professional differences that I have with CS and it's staff. But none of them have led me to become a hater and they are nothing that I cannot agree to disagree with.

Yes, I know you want specifics. There are some knives and other items CS makes that I do not like. This is not a quality or integrity issue- I just don't like them. Its either a question of style or simply the way if feels in my hand. Just because I do not like it does not mean that it sucks. Just because I don't like it does not mean that someone else wouldn't.

I have differences with LT on some of his business practices. I own a couple of businesses and do some things differently than LT. That does not mean that I am right and he is wrong, they just mean that they are different. What he does works for him and what I do works fo rme- to each his own.

My entire reason for this thread and subsequent posts is to shed some light on things that most of you are not privy to and that the haters automatically take as a rather visceral negative and throw out the name calling and accusations. I just want the other side heard.
 
I thought you where going to give us an intellectual arse kicking? :rolleyes:


we're still waiting.
 
DngrRuss1: I think we have pretty clearly established that you lied. Neither STR nor me have been able to find any patent that would cover the wave feature other than Emerson's so LT could not have licenced any such patent. How about you address that? Makes me wonder whether that was the only lie in your first post....

The sad think really is that you were probably lied to by LT as well, and still you stand up and defend him....
 
I know the peeps that have Cold steel say they cut really well and they can chop stuff up. I just cannot find one yet that is strong and sexy. IMO they lack class. There like that fat cousin you never want to bring with you to the bar, LMAO
 
HoB said:
DngrRuss1: I think we have pretty clearly established that you lied. Neither STR nor me have been able to find any patent that would cover the wave feature other than Emerson's so LT could not have licenced any such patent. How about you address that? Makes me wonder whether that was the only lie in your first post....

The sad think really is that you were probably lied to by LT as well, and still you stand up and defend him....
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As I pointed out earlier in this thread, the online USPTO database is not up to date for the range of time the patent was issued. Thus, if the Demko patent was handed out when we think it was, it wouldn't show up on a name or date search using their database.
 
I've noticed that some of the newer forumites are questioning the value of the words that we so-called CS haters are saying. Please note that many of us have been through this all before. And if you don't believe us, just do a search, and you'll find a LOT of prior info on the crap CS has pulled before, and you'll save yourself a lot of time and questions.
 
That line about the data base not being up to date doesn't hold water. Andrew supposedly got notice that his patent got a number in Dec. of 2005 and the data base clearly shows new patents for April 25 of 2006. That means it is up to date. I found 17 new patents for April 2006 just doing a quick search.

STR
 
A datbase can have the most rrecent updates and also be missing previous entries. Unless we're given the actual patent number, then we can't really say one way or the other.
 
Well, no. The data base may not be up to today, but you can be pretty sure that anything issued in Dec. 2005 will be in the database. Of course human error is always possible and someone forgot to add that particular patent, but the claim that the data base might lack patents systematically that were issued several months ago is nonsense. This database is not (only) for recreational patent browsers like us. It is the foundation for entire companies doing this for a living (patent attorney offices). A four month delay of patent entries would render this tool useless.
 
I have owned some cs products since the original tanto came out, I presently own:
vaquero grande
recon tanto
srk
recon 1 folder (clip pt)
kobun
urban pal
big stick
szambok
various assegai spears
1917 cutlass
I have been happy with these purchases, they haven't given me any reason to complain and I just plain like them. Not for everyone? Undoubtedly. Junk? No way. When I buy junk, I get rid of it and don't look back. I have had only one issue with a folder that their customer service quickly rectified (mispackaged blade type).

Most of my collection are spydies and benchmades, my favs being spydies.
cheers,
--Dave
 
DngrRuss simply adores the Strawman Fallacy, doesn't he?

I was on the fence about CS before reading this thread, but now they have officially put a bad taste in my mouth with this kind of representation. I want nothing to do with them.
 
didn't read the 200 posts but I hate the hype and the price. Perfect knive for most mall ninjas though.
 
I was a little disappointed when I found out that my CS RS wasn't "stronger than 99% of all 7 1/2 inch knives (including custom) in the world." And though I may not buy many more knives from CS, my Recon Scout is a keeper.
 
HornsKeith said:
As I pointed out earlier in this thread, the online USPTO database is not up to date for the range of time the patent was issued. Thus, if the Demko patent was handed out when we think it was, it wouldn't show up on a name or date search using their database.
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HoB stated that something he patented on Feb. 26th, 2006 shows up in a search, so the database has been updated.
 
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