CS- love 'em, hate 'em- time to address some issues

Some of you guys really need to chill out. DngrRuss1 started out this thread with a polite and reasoned rebuttal to the (now obvious) rampant hatred for Lynn Thompson and Cold Steel Knives in this forum. In response, many of you bit DngrRuss1's head off and made ad hominem attacks on him. For the most part he has not responded in kind. Whether DngrRuss1 is right or wrong, in my humble opinion, some of you owe him an apology for your responses.

Why is it so difficult to accept that someone might have views contrary to your own? You can agree to disagree without all of the animus. If you don't like Cold Steel knives, don't buy them. If you don't like their DVDs and advertising, ignore them or throw them away. If you think Lynn Thompson's a jerk, don't have anything to do with him.

Cold Steel is in the business of selling knives. Like most any business, if they have crappy products and customer service they eventually will go under. If their customers are reasonably satisfied, the company will prosper. Eventually the free market will take care of things. Therefore, I respectfully suggest that you guys just relax and not get so worked up about Cold Steel knives. Life is too short for such pointless aggravation.
 
Demko's patent could have been issued in the name of his business rather than his own name. So it might not show up in a name search.

Phil
 
STR said:
That line about the data base not being up to date doesn't hold water. Andrew supposedly got notice that his patent got a number in Dec. of 2005 and the data base clearly shows new patents for April 25 of 2006. That means it is up to date. I found 17 new patents for April 2006 just doing a quick search.

STR
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Then perhaps I'm doing something wrong, but I can't get it to give me any patents that were issued on Dec 31, 2005. What patents does your search show were issued on that date?

Results of Search in US Patents Text Collection db for:
ISD/12-31-2005: 0 patents.

No patents have matched your query
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Chris Meyer said:
Some of you guys really need to chill out. DngrRuss1 started out this thread with a polite and reasoned rebuttal to the (now obvious) rampant hatred for Lynn Thompson and Cold Steel Knives in this forum.
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WRONG :grumpy:
This is not the first time DUNGRuss has started stuff about CS! Check his old posts!
 
If I recall correctly patents are only issued on Tuesdays. Was Dec. 31, 2005 a Tuesday?
 
Cougar Allen said:
If I recall correctly patents are only issued on Tuesdays. Was Dec. 31, 2005 a Tuesday?
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Ah, that's what I didn't understand. It'd have to be either Dec 27, 2005 or Jan 3, 2006. Here's all the patents from Jan. 3 that contain the word 'knife':

PAT. NO. Title
1 6,983,203 POI icon display method and navigation system
2 6,983,005 Holographic laser and optical pickup
3 6,982,792 Spectrophotometer, ellipsometer, polarimeter and the like systems
4 6,982,789 Monochromator system and applications thereof
5 6,982,784 Substrate holding device, semiconductor manufacturing apparatus and device manufacturing method
6 6,982,735 Imaging systems and methods
7 6,982,303 Covalently cross-linked polymers and polymer membranes via sulfinate alkylation
8 6,982,178 Components and methods for use in electro-optic displays
9 6,982,149 Fiber array and methods for using and making same
10 6,982,107 Release liner for pressure sensitive adhesives
11 6,982,069 Dye fixing agent for water-color ink, ink jet recording medium and porous hydrotalcite compound
12 6,982,018 Ultrasonic splicing of weatherstripping
13 6,981,979 Surgical anastomotic devices
14 6,981,958 Implant with pressure sensor for glaucoma treatment
15 6,981,662 Coupling device assembly
16 6,981,629 Apparatus of clamping semiconductor devices using sliding finger supports
17 6,981,352 Round baler low net indication
18 6,981,290 Wire cutter and bayonet sheath combination
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And here's all the patents from Dec 27, 2005 that contain the word 'knife':

PAT. NO. Title
1 D513,300 Knife handle
2 6,980,852 Film barrier dressing for intravascular tissue monitoring system
3 6,980,763 Image fixing and smoothing process, belt fixing and smoothing apparatus and electrophotographic print
4 6,980,762 Modular multi-stage fusing system
5 6,980,757 Image forming apparatus with beam slots
6 6,980,352 Encapsulated bichromal gyricon display
7 6,980,014 Interposer and methods for fabricating same
8 6,979,815 Folding apparatus of a web-fed printing press including a conveyor belt monitoring device
9 6,979,717 Anionic process design for rapid polymerization of polystyrene without gel formation and product produced there from
10 6,979,713 Curable compositions and abrasive articles therefrom
11 6,979,669 Encapsulated active ingredient preparation for use in particulate detergents and cleaning agents
12 6,979,629 Method and apparatus for processing composite member
13 6,979,568 Vector for the expression of two foreign genes
14 6,979,485 Processing substrate and/or support surface
15 6,979,481 Microporous photo glossy inkjet recording media
16 6,979,480 Porous inkjet receptor media
17 6,979,383 One-step method of bonding and sealing a fuel cell membrane electrode assembly
18 6,979,340 Single use, self-contained twist resistant surgical knife
19 6,979,328 Minimally invasive glaucoma surgical instrument and method
20 6,979,166 Vacuum wand assembly for extracting a product from a container
21 6,979,141 Identification cards, protective coatings, films, and methods for forming the same
22 6,978,922 Surgical stapling instrument
23 6,978,921 Surgical stapling instrument incorporating an E-beam firing mechanism
24 6,978,865 Safety chock
25 6,978,588 Harvesting machine
26 6,978,585 Flexible packaging film pouch with internal stiffener to create an anti-pilfering package
27 6,978,584 Multiple lane packaging of feminine sanitary articles and resulting product
28 6,978,548 Power operated rotary knife
29 6,978,532 Mower bed blade method
30 6,978,524 Apparatus and method for removing remnant material from a bobbin
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I checked a few of 'em, but I didn't find anything that looked like it'd be what we're talking about here. The closest was the "Knife Handle" patent above, and here's the info it contained:

US. Calvary Knives, 1994, p. 111, Catalog. .
The Noble Collection, Winter 1997/1998, Historic Daggers, No page listed, Catalog. .
United Cutlery Brands, Catalog #42, 2002, pp. 7, 19, 21, 29, 30, 33-35, 39-45 and 51-60. .
Museum Replicas Limited, Horned Skull Sword, p. 65, (1994). .
Agincourt, Iberia Sword, Item B, Cutlery Shoppe, p. 38 (1993). .
United Cutlery, Double Shadow Fantasy Dagger, p. 16, (1991)..

Primary Examiner: Oliver; Catherine R.
Attorney, Agent or Firm: Pitts & Brittian, P.C.

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Description

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FIG. 1 is a perspective view of the design of the present invention for a knife handle;

FIG. 2 is a front elevation view of the knife handle of FIG. 1;

FIG. 3 is a rear elevation view of the knife handle of FIG. 1;

FIG. 4 is a left side elevation view of the knife handle of FIG. 1, the right side elevation being a mirror image thereof;

FIG. 5 is a top end view of the knife handle of FIG. 1; and,

FIG. 6 is a bottom end view of the knife handle of FIG. 1.

The features of the knife blade shown in broken lines are for illustrative purposes only and form no part of the claimed design.
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Strange- still nothing about the patent we're looking for...
 
This place reminds me of GlockTalk Forum, is someone gets out of line from the current "boys in charge" they are banished ASAP.......Well so much for a meeting of the minds, you were never going to listen to a different point of view anyway. To all those who tried to tell of the good luck that they have had with CS knives.....you can lead a horse to water....you know the rest boys, don'tcha?
 
I previously wrote a brillant essay on this subject that would have resolved all conflicts. When I went to post it, I was thrown off the net for a bad thread link. This is just a test to see if I can post something here. Problably best for all the previous rambling memo I wrote was lost anyway.
Ron.
 
Ah, My post did go through. Quick summary of rambling lost post. I need a big knife TODAY. I went to the local sporting goods store and one hour later had a CS Recon Tonto. I had tried to buy over the internet a RAT7 D2 (6-8 weeks wait), Busse (???wait), Swamp Rat (???new line??), BK7 (Sold Out), RD7 (1-2 weeks), etc. I would very much have preferred ANY of the other knives but I needed the knive now and in one hour I had it. It worked perfectly. The one redeeming quality of CS is you can actually get one. (I have ordered a BUSSE, can not wait). And I will buy some of the others in time. I do think they are MUCH better (also more expensive). Let the attorneys figure out the patent thing. My son is a VERY expensive patent attorney. He charges per hour about the price of a BUSSE knife. Let them earn their money. We should simply vote with our pocket book, allowing for immediate neccesities. I am new here. Before I joined I went to the archives and read most of the threads there. It took a couple of months. You all are correct. This subject has been covered just a few times before.
Ron
 
Ron, you should check out the for sale forums here. You will usually find quite a few listings for the knives you are looking for. At times there are many ads for Busses.
 
Walking Man said:
WRONG :grumpy:
This is not the first time DUNGRuss has started stuff about CS! Check his old posts!
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Walking Man,

Whether or not DngrRuss1 has "started stuff" in the past is irrelevant to the point I was making. I merely suggested that some of you guys need to lighten up, and you proved my point for me.

I don't know either of you but you two obviously disagree about Cold Steel. You might as well agree to disagree and not waste your time fighting about inconsequential things.
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Also, intentionally changing the letters of someones user name (as in "DUNGRuss") is just juvenile and is an unwarranted (at least in this thread) personal attack on the guy.

I truely hope that you can chill out and have a better rest of your night.

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I have a bunch of Cold Steel knives but I can see now that I need to go back to their catalog and see if they have another one that I would like to have. The ones I have are pretty good knives and Lynn T. has never killed my dog or anything like that so I should buy another one.

Nolan
 
HoB said:
DngrRuss1: I think we have pretty clearly established that you lied. Neither STR nor me have been able to find any patent that would cover the wave feature other than Emerson's so LT could not have licenced any such patent. How about you address that? Makes me wonder whether that was the only lie in your first post....

The sad think really is that you were probably lied to by LT as well, and still you stand up and defend him....
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Wow, I lied?

So did I lie to you, or did LT lie to me, or did KV lie to the forum in post #'s 69 and 131, or did Demko lie to us all?

Or can you not read?

Demko personally tells KV- who has been critical and unlfattering of me an my posts- that he has a patent, KV posts as much, but you state that I am lying or that LT is lying to me and the public. Amazing. Absolutely amazing.

I knew that I was going to get flamed for my comments, but this is just ridiculous. You guys will grasp at any straw and throw out any inflamatory comment just to spew your bile at CS, LT, and any vehement supporter. And you guys who take my comments as a reason to now stay away from CS please enjoy siding with people like HoB here, as well as the other vicious and abusive haters as your compatriots. Doesn't hurt my feelings.

Oh, and Walkingman- DungRuss? I salute your maturity and creativity :jerkit:
 
DngrRuss the reason that these comments are so disrespectful is because nothing is at stake. The cowards on this post can be tough without getting a punch in the mouth for the things they say, you are a real man for being polite even when you dont have to be.
 
stickbobby said:
DngrRuss the reason that these comments are so disrespectful is because nothing is at stake. The cowards on this post can be tough without getting a punch in the mouth for the things they say, you are a real man for being polite even when you dont have to be.
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I appreciate that, thank you.

And to the others that have posted positively- even when you are not a fan of CS- thank you.

I know that arguing on the internet is futile at best and that anonymity breeds courage. Like I said, I am just trying to put out an alternative viewpoint. Let the public decide for themselves what they want and don't want after viewing BOTH sides of the issue.
 
Chris Meyer said:
I don't know either of you but you two obviously disagree about Cold Steel. You might as well agree to disagree and not waste your time fighting about inconsequential things.
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WRONG AGAIN! The only reason I keep posting is to hopeful invalidate DungRuss's lies and to hopeful educate others to Cold Steel and DungRuss's deceitful tactics to promote Cold Steel's knives.
They are liars, hypocrites and thieves. It has been proven.
I am REALLY just trying to get others to see what is and what is not. I don't care how much you love their knives, I'd bet that almost EVERYONE would agree that somehow Cold Steel has done something seriously wrong, whether it be morally, legally, or philosophically, if they knew the WHOLE STORY.... Not my opinion, just the facts.
PS.... DungRuss is easier to spell, and to me, he's not worth the effort of attempting to get it right. :thumbdn:
(AND it's NOT a personal attack, I'm really just making fun of his username, don't be so melodramic)
 
Seems like the CS haters need another butt-kicking.
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For those that have forgotten that's how DngrRuss1 started this thread. Seems hardly informational and non confrontational.

The bottom line is DngrRuss1 hasn't proven anything, nor he he changed any minds. And it's really not about the knives or the quality of the knives it's about how a person and a business conduct themselves.

Any of the substancial questions DngrRuss1 has been asked he's ignored or sidestepped. The only way you can win a crowd is to be honest upfront and answer ALL the questions.
 
DngrRuss1,


I can't seem to locate your answer to this post.

Rat Finkenstein said:
Talk is cheap- that must be why you and LT talk so much $#@&.

I will post my pics.
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now show me where you used several sledgehammers to pound any cold steel offering into 1/4 inch thick steel, then through a piece of 1/8" thick steel, and have it survive, and have cold steel offer you a replacement.:p
I am not saying it isn't stupid and abusive, but it was fun.

Now put on your hat and stand in the corner. . .
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DaveH said:
For those that have forgotten that's how DngrRuss1 started this thread. Seems hardly informational and non confrontational.

The bottom line is DngrRuss1 hasn't proven anything, nor he he changed any minds. And it's really not about the knives or the quality of the knives it's about how a person and a business conduct themselves.

Any of the substancial questions DngrRuss1 has been asked he's ignored or sidestepped. The only way you can win a crowd is to be honest upfront and answer ALL the questions.
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HALLELUJAH!!!!! The truth he speaketh!
 
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