CS New American Lawman Hard Use Video

FlaMtnBkr said:
Really?
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Yes, really:
The Triad is another great lock which stands equal with a handful of other locks.
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That's a claim in the same way that Ankerson's is.

I said it was one of the best. I don't have anything to prove. So you can try to turn it around all day long, I don't care. I was making a criticism about a lack of reasoning. It is not meant as an attack but constructive criticism. I figured someone would try to pick apart everything I said and turn it around. But I don't really care, and again, I have nothing to prove so don't expect me to jump up and down and try to appease you.
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You say you have nothing to prove, more than once. For someone with nothing to prove, you sure invest a lot in this debate. But the point is (and you're dodging it), the Tri-Ad lock's strength HAS been demonstrated. You can keep denying it's no better than a few other ones, but the onus is then on you to prove that CLAIM.

There were no takers because other companies don't feel the need to put out 'proof' videos.
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Well, that is one possible reason. Funny how you presume to speak on their behalf without any proof. You're quick to (incorrectly) point that behaviour out in others.

That is not they way they advertise, I don't know why.
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A company WILL use every strong point they have in advertizing. Cold Steel uses the toughness of their folders as a USP. It could be that they just try to appeal to a certain crowd, whereas (for example) Spyderco tries to market to another crowd.
But no one minds a folder that happens to be very tough. So why not flaunt it if you have it?

And it was said not to try it with the AXIS lock. Go back a page to where the big still shot of the video is.
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I looked, didn't find it. If you're referring to this post, I advise you to read it again. It's not what Ankerson claimed.
 
FlaMtnBkr said:
Really? Then how come they weren't doing it before the Triad lock existed either? Back when they were definitely the strongest? Because not everyone feels the need to prove everything like 12 year old boys with a ruler. Just because it is Cold Steel's approach doesn't mean it is every other companies style. That type of advertising only works on certain people, and others could care less.
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Yep, it's cold steel's marketing approach.
 
I have plenty of knives to cut my own fingers. I was hoping the statement would set off a lightbulb about how this is making the actual involved parties look for those hundreds of thread views. Andrew already has the baggage of Lynn Thompson, and he does an awesome job of overcoming that with objective, repeatable testing that does not involve taking a dump of every other brand and design on the market. This ain't helping his efforts.

I have posted the thumb plate patent several times because people continue to call it a wave ripoff. It is a wave improvement, hence the US government gave him a patent instead of leaving him open to a lawsuit. AFAIK, he also came to an understanding with Emerson on the situation. He has a valid patent on the triad even though another person also came up with the same design, again, the parties involved worked things out. Demko does it right, and it would be nice if others followed suit.

Josh, there is no hearsay in Spyderco's lock ratings.
 
hardheart said:
http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showpost.php?p=8365958&postcount=138

this thread is seriously making me consider emailing Andrew and canceling my order, the blind fanboyism is repulsive.
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I saw that thread before. :)

Blind fanboyism.... :confused:

I don't see any of that at all.

At least no more than for any other type of knife that is out there, there will be those who like it and others who might not.

There will always be some disagreements. :)

Yeah Sal has that knife breaking machine. :D

I think he puts the press 1" away from the pivot from what I rmember reading. :)
 
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Ankerson said:
I saw that thread before. :)

Blind fanboyism.... :confused:

I don't see any of that at all.

At least no more than for any other type of knife that is out there, there will be those who like it and others who might not.
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;)

No one has said they don't like the lock or knife? In fact I would say everyone that has posted likes it. There has been no cold steel bashing in this thread.
 
hardheart said:
Josh, there is no hearsay in Spyderco's lock ratings.
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I trust the ratings given by Spyderco, but everyone else who claims to have "remembered somewhere someone said it held X amount of pounds" - That is hearsay by definition.

I'm never going to put any folder under more then 200lbs of pressure unintentionally. To me it makes little difference. :) Nice to know all the same though.
 
FlaMtnBkr said:
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No one has said they don't like the lock or knife? In fact I would say everyone that has posted likes it. There has been no cold steel bashing in this thread.
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I haven't see any at all either. :) :thumbup:
 
AF said:
My early version American Lawman is great. It's smooth when opening and closing, has a strong spring, a deep lock engagement, and a comfortable and secure grip at a reasonable price. I've EDC'd mine for awhile.
The negatives I see are a mediocre blade steel and a slow deployment due to the strong spring.
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AUS-8A is good stuff. It's no 13C26 or 12C27M, but it takes a good edge and a good beating. On my particular AL (also with liners), the edge retention has been wanting, but I've had good luck with the stuff on other Cold Steel and Spyderco knives.

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For a bit more money you can get a Spyderco Manix 2 with a similar (but thinner) grip, less aggressively textured G-10, longer pocket clip and better steel. And made in the USA. It's one of the smoothest opening knives I've handled. I think it would take this kind of use just fine. The blade and grind are plenty robust, the lock adjusts for wear and the handle/pivot has steel liners.
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If I wasn't waiting for the Para2, I'd be on that like wombats in combat.
 
I dare think that some of these other "big" production made knife companies would want to see any of there knifes tested by Ankerson, the same way he has tested this CS AL. I can see them cringing watching those vids. They may even offer you something to NOT post any videos of that sort Ankerson :D. Personally, I would love to see it.

Call me a fan boy if you like, I have personally carried, used, several of the Tri-Ad lock knives, and yes, they are all the "hype" as some of you say. The ones saying otherwise, I would venture to say have never held or seen one in person, rather just dislike CS for whatever reason. It is one of the strongest, if not the strongest available, on any folder, at any price.

Btw, these are just my experienced opinions. Have a nice day :)
 
Geesh!! Why all the heat guys? Jim made another cool video. :thumbup: I doubt that his intentions were fanboy (hate that slur) or to imply other knives weren't great knives either.

I think anyone with a beef should make their own videos and post them. Must be the weather or something. :confused:

Peace Out! :)
 
Let's be fair, CS's new line of folders offers a lot for the money, at least as far I'm concerned. And if you don't have a lot of money, loosing a 200$ knife hurts, I would begin to cry!

AUS-8 is not the best steel out there, but I think it's underrated too. SOG usually does a great job on theirs.

This Tri-Ad and AXIS-lock discussion is kind of weird. Both locks are good in my opinion. I haven't seen the AXIS lock been tortured, but I'm pretty sure it can take one hell of a beating. As I have mentioned in my own review of the CS Lawman G-10 version, you will find tests by Demko which show that the Tri-Ad is tough as nails, but I think almost everybody agrees about that. These videos are not the usual CS marketing videos, but they are filmed with a handcamera inside his own workshop. I know a lot of people hate CS' marketing, I don't really like it myself, but Lynn Thompson sometimes is hilarious and think it's fun to watch(chubby and extremely funny people who love cutlery is not standard here in Norway, maybe I'm too excited about it).

I may sound like a CS-fanboy, but I'm not. The thing is, I can't "afford" my dreamknives, like Benchmade, Chris Reeve, ZT, Strider, Trident etc. Sure, you have SOG's folders, Spyderco, Gerber, Buck, but right now, I'm pretty sure CS' line is ONE of the best buys for the price, some may like other manufacturers, nothing wrong with that, the taste is like the butt, split in half.

No matter how smart or stupid you are, losing a folder in the woods, for example in wintertime, is a lot easier than you might think(if you are one of the guys only sitting in front of the PC, bashing knives that's not made in the USA, get out and test different knives and you will see that politics don't always run parallell with quality.)

In my book, the CS Lawman is a real beaterknife which I can afford to replace if I lose it.
It's also very easy to maintain and take apart, reliable, safe to use, good edge geometry, important factors for me as a user and buyer of folding knives, But then again, I use all my knives regularly, not just collecting:)
The Tri-Ad will develop play over time because of wear, but every foldingknife will do that(speaking of experience, I have own some high-end folders myself until I figured out that cheaper ones were just as good for my work) and I hate that the Tri-Ad is slow to deploy, but that is because of the stiff spring-pin.

One of the smartest words I have heard from any knife guy, is: "You will have to handle the knife yourself to really enjoy it". You can bash any manufacturer you want, but until you have used the product yourself, you don't prove anything by doing so, with EXCEPTIONS that is;)
 
hardheart said:
I have plenty of knives to cut my own fingers. I was hoping the statement would set off a lightbulb about how this is making the actual involved parties look for those hundreds of thread views.
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No one is dragging Andrew Demko into this, at least not in a negative way. You're the one threatening not to buy from him because you don't like the way his lock is being debated by some people.

Andrew already has the baggage of Lynn Thompson
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But no CS bashing to be seen... :rolleyes:

and he does an awesome job of overcoming that with objective, repeatable testing that does not involve taking a dump of every other brand and design on the market. This ain't helping his efforts.
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LOL. Cold Steel hired Demko because they recognise his talents and skills. Demko works there for his reasons, among which I am sure you'll find: money, respect, freedom to be creative, and a positive environment. Give Cold Steel some credit, just for the fact that they hired him. CS is not an impediment to Demo, despite what you are implying.

If you like Demko's work so much (and you are right to do so) why threaten to cancel an order? Who do you imagine you're targeting, other than Demko? :rolleyes:
 
Cancel a custom order? Over this thread? Really?? Thats crazy talk, especially considering not one person has said this was a bad lock or design.

I for one don't think its the best, end all be all lock, but its pretty freaken solid! :D

Seems like people are taking this all a bit too seriously. Rewatch that video and bask in the awesomeness of the knife again, that is why we're all here anyway.
 
I was never interested in the CS version of the 'Axis Lock', but from what I've read it uses a similar principle to lock the blade open as the Benchmade AL.

If that is so, Aren't the older 'Proof' videos an example of what an Axis lock will take? (Seems a couple of posters have said there are no abuse videos for axis equipped knives for comparison).

I don't remember their flavor of the axis coming anywhere near 400-600 lbs.

That looks like PROOF to me of their relative strenghts.

I'm sure someone will correct me shortly. :)
 
OrangeJoe said:
I was never interested in the CS version of the 'Axis Lock', but from what I've read it uses a similar principle to lock the blade open as the Benchmade AL.

If that is so, Aren't the older 'Proof' videos an example of what an Axis lock will take? (Seems a couple of posters have said there are no abuse videos for axis equipped knives for comparison).

I don't remember their flavor of the axis coming anywhere near 400-600 lbs.

That looks like PROOF to me of their relative strenghts.

I'm sure someone will correct me shortly. :)
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1zd3Jg5Fdms "Ultralock the strongest locking mechanism we manufacture" not anymore! :)

I hated my Recon 1 ultalock because it was a square lockbar moving in the channel - very rickety compared to the the super smooth BM Axis lock
 
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