Curious: Is anyone else allowed to carry a knife at school.

[USMCPOP]

Back around 1977/78 I was a Peace Corp volunteer in Thailand. I got invited to "talk at" a grade school English class, maybe 5th grade or so. There was a kid in the back who was toying around with a little square-tipped machete-like knife, maybe 10" blade. I figured he was a farmer kid, probably had the family water buffalo tied up out back eating some grass. No one including the teacher paid any attention.

Circa 1972, I used to carry my old Buck 102 Woodsman sheath knife in my backpack at college. Definitely illegal at the time. (I found out through this forum that that vintage was 440C steel.)

 

[JBradley500]

I carried a razor knife in high school (this millennium), carried smaller SAKs once in a while when I was younger. When I got my AOS degree at the tech college everyone carried knives. I went back to college for a BA a few years later the rules stated less than 3.5" blade. The graduate college I went to states no knives unless you can prove you needed it as a tool when you're found with it.

It's funny how innocent carrying a knife always was until grad school. I never thought twice about it.

 

[James w]

A sharp mind and keeping your wits about you are much better self defense tools than a sharp knife.

Never said otherwise in my opinion situational awareness is the most important skill if you will in most situations....

I knife is just a tool no better or worse than any other tool only as good or bad as the man wielding it.....

In my opinion if you are un trained in defensive knife fighting you should never ever use a knife in a defensive purpose... it'll just end up injuring you or worse being disarmed than killed with it....

 

[sabre cat]

....In my opinion if you are un trained in defensive knife fighting you should never ever use a knife in a defensive purpose... it'll just end up injuring you or worse being disarmed than killed with it....

That can still happen. Even with training, there is a chance of getting cut. The goal is to never let your enemy get that close. Personally, I don't want to mix bodily fluids with some slime ball.

Don't let a little SD training and a piece of steel give you a false sense of security.

 

[James w]

Even with training, there is a chance of getting cut. The goal is to never let your enemy get that close.


Don't let a little SD training and a piece of steel give you a false sense of security.

Don't let them get that close..... of course the objective in any civilian combat situation is to break free and get the hell out of there..... this is not always possibile and some times a more agressive approach is preferable for example if your in a 3rd story room with one door and an attacker comes through the door and stands in the hallway the only way out is through that door and through that aggressor.... having a tool at your hands is much preferable than not.... think of a nail and a piece of wood would you rather bash the nail through the wood with a stone or a hammer. You see what I mean they both work just one works better with less chance of hurting your self by bashing your knuckles....

Don't let sd training and a piece of steel give you false sense of security...... once again escape and evading is always preferable and of course hopefully situational awareness kicks in and you can escape before the threat escalates however a false sense of security is what I would count on in a terror attack I am not 21 so ccp is out of the question.... what I mean by this is if a gunman comes in he can mow people down before they get five feet I would have to count the false sense of security on the gunmans part by him closing the distance before a disarming technique can be executed

You see what I mean? Having a tool with you is much preferable than having nothing

 

[skyhorse]

Who's handbreadth? The person carrying or the police officer that may inquire?

In Texas it's a quick check thing Leo's sometimes do to determine if a folder blade is legal. Lol, sort of like the old quote " rule of thumb " .
I've never really seen that law enforced in any other case but an add on, when a more serious crime has been committed.

 

[cbking]

In high school no. I go to a tech school in downtown Minneapolis now and I carry a large sebenza everyday.


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[jpm2]

When I was in junior high and high school in the 70's, practically every boy carried a small pocketknife, usually a stockman or SAK, and we never had any trouble.

Same here.

Who's handbreadth? The person carrying or the police officer that may inquire?

In Texas it's a quick check thing Leo's sometimes do to determine if a folder blade is legal. Lol, sort of like the old quote " rule of thumb " .

Never heard of LEO doing that here, and take a hell of a big hand to make it illegal.

 

[sabre cat]

Don't let them get that close..... of course the objective in any civilian combat situation is to break free and get the hell out of there..... Having a tool with you is much preferable than having nothing

Civilian combat situation? What, are you looking for trouble? Based upon your comments, an argument could be made in that direction. Just saying, not making it myself.

You seem to have all the answers. If you are still in grade school, as I assume, it would be interesting to see how your thoughts change over the next few years. You will probably have a very different outlook in about ten or twenty years.

If you want to carry a knife for SD, knock yourself out. With time you will may realize a couple of things: First, if you keep your nose clean and don't look for trouble, chances are you will never need a knife for SD. Second, what makes a good SD knife sometimes makes a rotten work knife. Personally, I have carried both types and found that having a good work knife is a lot more fun.

 

[ATJ999]

I carried a BM Stryker auto or Kershaw during school, before I really got into knives, but that was after school. Maybe something else when I was younger but I can't remember. Probably everyday until I got out of school in 08', Grade school-college. Don't know if I was "allowed" but I never did anything irresponsible with it, so that question never came up.

 

[James w]

Civilian combat situation? What, are you looking for trouble? Based upon your comments, an argument could be made in that direction. Just saying, not making it myself.

You seem to have all the answers. If you are still in grade school, as I assume, it would be interesting to see how your thoughts change over the next few years. You will probably have a very different outlook in about ten or twenty years.

If you want to carry a knife for SD, knock yourself out. With time you will may realize a couple of things: First, if you keep your nose clean and don't look for trouble, chances are you will never need a knife for SD. Second, what makes a good SD knife sometimes makes a rotten work knife. Personally, I have carried both types and found that having a good work knife is a lot more fun.

"What are you looking for trouble". I live in a bad part of town with gangs and all that jazz just yesterday my dad almost got in a fight with three black 210 ib or so men he wasn't looking for trouble they were....


"You seem to have all the answers". Thx!

"If you are in grade school". 9th grade to be exact but who cares it's all the same


"What makes a good sd knife sometimes makes a rotten work knife". I disagree with this all sd knives that I own are used for a variety of regular ed tasks that out perform my slip joints and other more sedated knives sure a karambit is not going to do so well on a cutting board but I personally would never carry one....

"Working knife is a lot more fun". I don't carry a knife for fun I carry it for functionality

"Civilian combat situation what are you looking for trouble". I am a civilian :check: A fight is combat :check: A fight is a situation so :check: therefore I think civilian combat situation is actually a quite precise term if you disagree perhaps you can expand a bit on why

"You'll probably have a much differnt outlook in about ten years" and why is this so? It seams to me I am making only logical arguments and statements and as we should all know factual evidence does not change over time..... so I ask you please expand

 

[mechanic1908]

In high school I always had my buck 110. It got to the point that anytime the teachers needed a knife for any chore in my classes would just ask to borrow it. Never caused any problems.

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[falar]

In Texas it's a quick check thing Leo's sometimes do to determine if a folder blade is legal. Lol, sort of like the old quote " rule of thumb " .
I've never really seen that law enforced in any other case but an add on, when a more serious crime has been committed.

You think they would be more exact considering the max legal length is spelled out as 5.5".

 

[GrifNK]

For reference, I live in Arizona.

In highschool it was pretty much a no go; weapons weren't allowed and this is from the section in the handbook for the school regarding weapons: "Includes (but is not limited to) a dagger, dirk, stiletto,
knife with a blade at least 2.5 inches in length, pocket
knife opened by a mechanical device..."
"Mechanical device" is not defined, the "includes but not limited to" part means that the knife on my Leatherman squirt could still be a weapon, and the section on intimidation basically says that if someone gets scared, it's on you. Ultimately, the wording if vague enough to put the student in a no win situation.

Regarding university, as long as the blade is under five inches and compliant with state laws, it's fine.

 

[JakeMakes]

I can carry any knife, machete, axe, sword, or gun I want to at my school. Length and or size do not matter.

Homeschooling is the best.

 

[JakeMakes]

"What are you looking for trouble". I live in a bad part of town with gangs and all that jazz just yesterday my dad almost got in a fight with three black 210 ib or so men he wasn't looking for trouble they were....


"You seem to have all the answers". Thx!

"If you are in grade school". 9th grade to be exact but who cares it's all the same


"What makes a good sd knife sometimes makes a rotten work knife". I disagree with this all sd knives that I own are used for a variety of regular ed tasks that out perform my slip joints and other more sedated knives sure a karambit is not going to do so well on a cutting board but I personally would never carry one....

"Working knife is a lot more fun". I don't carry a knife for fun I carry it for functionality

"Civilian combat situation what are you looking for trouble". I am a civilian :check: A fight is combat :check: A fight is a situation so :check: therefore I think civilian combat situation is actually a quite precise term if you disagree perhaps you can expand a bit on why

"You'll probably have a much differnt outlook in about ten years" and why is this so? It seams to me I am making only logical arguments and statements and as we should all know factual evidence does not change over time..... so I ask you please expand

I believe he is saying that you will have a different outlook in ten years because guess what, you will. We all grow in knowledge and maturity as we grow older, and our opinions will change. They will always change, no matter what age we are. I don't see things quite the same way today as I did last year. But last year I thought that I was thinking absolutely correctly. We constantly grow wiser as we grow older and have more experiences.

You will be wiser and more knowledgeable in ten years.

 

[sabre cat]

I believe he is saying that you will have a different outlook in ten years because guess what, you will. We all grow in knowledge and maturity as we grow older, and our opinions will change. They will always change, no matter what age we are. I don't see things quite the same way today as I did last year. But last year I thought that I was thinking absolutely correctly. We constantly grow wiser as we grow older and have more experiences.

You will be wiser and more knowledgeable in ten years.

You are 100% spot on with that comment. Thank you. You said it better than ever could.

Things change, preferences change, politics change. Everything changes with time. Part of the problem with that change is that many times you can't get someone to understand because they don't have enough life experience or they just don't want to listen. Maybe a little of both. Keep in mind, when you are young, there are somethings you just don't get. You can't.
Even if it is explained in detail, you still won't get it. Given a little time and some life experiences you can but it takes what my brother-in-law calls paying your dues. Most of us begin to catch on by our mid twenties but, there are a few that never do.

Now, for change with knives, here is a good example. I used to carry clip point knives in my early twenties. That's what I liked, that's what I bought. Today, almost forty years later, my clip point knives just sit and collect dust. I now carry drop points. They work better with my lifestyle and how I EDC a knife.

And speaking of change, I now prefer knives that weigh less and are easier to carry. I also don't buy knives for SD anymore. Used to. I also don't carry with SD in mind but, I will use one to defend myself, if needed.

 

[zzyzzogeton]

You think they would be more exact considering the max legal length is spelled out as 5.5".

The LEOs I know in Texas look at the knife a person is carrying usually only because the person being examined has already done something illegal or stupid to get the LEOs attention. The same LEOs all use the same "ruler" for checking knife length - a $1 bill. Any denomination US currency is 6" long. The LEOs say as long as the knife isn't longer than a $1 bill, they don't care - unless the person is going to the pokey for other charges any way.

As far as carrying knives at schools--- I don't any more. I simply choose NOT to attend any school functions - plays, sports, assemblies, etc. Among many things, I'm a beekeeper and I was asked to come give a presentation on bees. I said "Sure, as long as you can provide me with a letter of permission signed by the school system Superintendent and elementary school Principal allowing me to bring any knife I choose onto the school grounds for the duration of my visit." Still waiting on that permission slip.

Now back when dirt was clean, I carried a pocket knife to school starting the 2nd week of first grade. That first weekend after school started, my grandfather gave me my first knife - a small, single blade peanut, saying -

"Now that you've started school, you need your own knife. We can't have you borrowing everyone else's knife."

Since September 1965 (5th grade), I have carried, at minimum, a pair of pocket knives, one in each FP. This included 10+ years of active duty in the Navy (but not ashore overseas), 10+ years in the Reserves (except when sent overseas) and through 2 college degrees. I would add a pair of fixed blades when able.

This thread

http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php/1086041-Your-Important-KA-BAR-My-Papa-s-KA-BAR

contains the back story for my carrying at least 2 knives.

Since being asked to not let the door hit me in the butt on the way out when corporate America decided to send my job to China back in 2001, I have carried, at the least, paired fixed blades and paired folders. The only exceptions to this has been when I have had to fly for business 4 times or at a court house or police station.

Knives at school?? Heck, most of the guys and some of the girls had rifles and/or shotguns in the rear windows of their pick-up trucks out in the parking lot. But not me. I had to mount my gun rack to the underside of my trunk lid because I had a Ford Galaxy 500 instead of a pick-up truck. When someone got a new rifle or shotgun, the whole school new about it within a day or so - and the teachers would come out to your vehicle t lunch - to check it out.

 

[JakeMakes]

You are 100% spot on with that comment. Thank you. You said it better than ever could.

Things change, preferences change, politics change. Everything changes with time. Part of the problem with that change is that many times you can't get someone to understand because they don't have enough life experience or they just don't want to listen. Maybe a little of both. Keep in mind, when you are young, there are somethings you just don't get. You can't.
Even if it is explained in detail, you still won't get it. Given a little time and some life experiences you can but it takes what my brother-in-law calls paying your dues. Most of us begin to catch on by our mid twenties but, there are a few that never do.

Now, for change with knives, here is a good example. I used to carry clip point knives in my early twenties. That's what I liked, that's what I bought. Today, almost forty years later, my clip point knives just sit and collect dust. I now carry drop points. They work better with my lifestyle and how I EDC a knife.

And speaking of change, I now prefer knives that weigh less and are easier to carry. I also don't buy knives for SD anymore. Used to. I also don't carry with SD in mind but, I will use one to defend myself, if needed.

:thumbup:

Exactly what I was thinking. As a young person (16) I am really starting to learn just how much I have to learn.

I am curious though, do you carry anything for self defense, or just not knives? I mainly carry knives as tools. But I also carry knives as a way of defending myself if necessary.

 

[sabre cat]

....Knives at school?? Heck, most of the guys and some of the girls had rifles and/or shotguns in the rear windows of their pick-up trucks out in the parking lot. But not me. I had to mount my gun rack to the underside of my trunk lid because I had a Ford Galaxy 500 instead of a pick-up truck. When someone got a new rifle or shotgun, the whole school new about it within a day or so - and the teachers would come out to your vehicle t lunch - to check it out.

Times have changed, haven't they?

I remember similar times. Down to the Ford Galaxy 500. Best car I ever owned. I carried a .243 Browning BAR in the trunk of mine.

One of our local school districts has a zero weapons policy. Knives included. Does not make any difference why you have a knife on school grounds or which school it is. Adult school, grade school, your wrong. I wonder what they do for cooking classes and when LEOs come on to campus.