Custom Tactical Folders?

So custom knives have to be approved by Blade Magazine ?

...or, they just won't win Blade's little awards due to persons who pay such attention to detail that their obsession becomes an annoyance to others, potentially to the detriment of the knifemaking art and it's enjoyment by knife lovers ? ;)
 
So custom knives have to be approved by Blade Magazine ?

...or, they just won't win Blade's little awards due to persons who pay such attention to detail that their obsession becomes an annoyance to others, potentially to the detriment of the knifemaking art and it's enjoyment by knife lovers ? ;)

Uhhhhh....no.

It isn't about winning awards as much as the correct use of the term. Back in the day when tacticals first started being seen, they were a way for knifemakers to offer a more affordable product by pretty much beadblasting everything and using synthetic materials, which at the time was pretty much limited to some form of micarta.

If Les wants to stick to the original intent for his definition AND MAKES IT KNOWN(he has, many times, many different venues), and the makers want to submit in the WRONG category for an award, it is an automatic fail.

That said, a maker and a collector can call the type of knife they have whatever they want. I have seen this with respect to Japanese style blades....doesn't make either the maker or collector right though.;)

Best Regards,

STeven Garsson
 
I'm really enjoying the folders in this thread:thumbup: Thought I would add one of my favorites. A blacked out Crawford Assassin. I'm not sure if was originally called an Assassin?
I've had it for a long while. I love the design! :thumbup:

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That said, a maker and a collector can call the type of knife they have whatever they want. I have seen this with respect to Japanese style blades....doesn't make either the maker or collector right though.;)

Best Regards,

STeven Garsson

I have always enjoyed the way you can kick someone in the nutz and they enjoy it....you have great style my friend. :)
 
I really enjoy looking at everyone's customs.
Why does someone always have to argue semantics?:rolleyes:
 
Heres one I can't wait to carry.

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Holy Crap! Dawkind threw up some gorgeous blades!!! Geez, I wish they were sitting on my table....:sorrow:
 
Neil Blackwood made this one for me. I gave him a photoshopped pic of one of his knives, and he made it come to life. One hell of a maker!
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I really enjoy looking at everyone's customs.
Why does someone always have to argue semantics?:rolleyes:

Apparently it can be a problem. All I know is I'd hate to have to pick a winner out of all these nice knives.
 
I have always enjoyed the way you can kick someone in the nutz and they enjoy it....you have great style my friend. :)

R.W. Loveless told me that the first time we talked.....always appreciated, and you know that I certainly appreciate the style of knives that you collect, Dudley!

Best Regards,

STeven Garsson
 
Les--

A couple of questions:

--in your post, you argue for what a tactical folder is not. What would be the features that define what it is?

--can you provide citations for those articles?

I'm not argueing at all. I just want to learn more and agree with your effort to provide some clarity.

You can email me the cites if you prefer.

Thanks.
 
Apparently it can be a problem. All I know is I'd hate to have to pick a winner out of all these nice knives.
It would be alot easier then you think since Les wrote the rules on tactical and some articles for blade magazine and about 50% of the ones shown according to him arn't tactical knives due to materials chosen.
 
I got this one long ago from Sal, as he was still emerging as an 'up and comer'. It's as well-made as his latest ones.

Notice no bolster screws. They're buried inside.

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Tactical? There are components on this which lend themselves to defensive work, and components that simply look good. :)

Coop
 
Wish I would have read further responces earlier- I used my art knife all weekend pruning trees/shrubs, scraping, and cutting things!! How silly of me to use art as a knife- the follies of ignorance!! Now is it considered a "naturally aged rustic period art knife"?

Things like this are why I eschew the "tactical" name and simply call mine clipped folders usually. Slipjoints, pocket folders, clipped folders are so much more consice to me.
 
Hi Kriss,

Wish I would have read further responces earlier- I used my art knife all weekend pruning trees/shrubs, scraping, and cutting things!! How silly of me to use art as a knife- the follies of ignorance!! Now is it considered a "naturally aged rustic period art knife"?

Things like this are why I eschew the "tactical" name and simply call mine clipped folders usually. Slipjoints, pocket folders, clipped folders are so much more consice to me.

You should have read everything....especially what I wrote! Tactical is a marketing term.....again...Tactical is a marketing term. It does in no way imply what a knife can and cannot do. You guys seem to have difficulty with that.


Dawkind, you posted up a very nice photo of a Damascus folder as have a couple of others. Any reason you are not content to have these be called a "Damascus Folder"? What is to be gained by trying to shove a square peg in a round hole?

For those of you who have not been allowed to judge at a knife show the answer is yes. Those knives that are put in the wrong category will not be considered for an award. Yes, the reason a maker submits a knife for judging is to try and win an award.

Yes, as a judge at the Blade Show (an numerous others over the years) I can tell you the rules state that the judges cannot move the knives into the appropriate category. So for those of you who want to take your Damascus folders and put them in the "Tactical Folder" category...you will lose...every time....every time. Why? Because the knife does not meet the criteria for the Category.

Now you can bang your head against the wall, yell and scream and tell me and anyone else who will listen....that your art, Damascus and/or presentation folder is in fact a Tactical Folder (again....this is a marketing term for a knife with a particular look).....the fact is...you are wrong. I could agree with you but then we would both be wrong.

For those of you still confused I would suggest you take a look a the book by Bob Terzuola "The Tactical Folding Knife". I would direct your attention to Page 4 where Bob Terzuola gives credit to the two people who defined what a tactical folder was for him. One of those two people was Bob Neal. The other is writing this post. Oh you might want to check with Steve Shackelford who helped him define the criteria for both the Tactical folder and Tactical fixed blade category. Yep, it was the same person who suggested that the Blade Show include those categories of knives for the custom knife judging. The reason they were included? These knives had a distinct look...they did not fit into the Art, Damascus or Presentation folder categories.

Now for those of you who are calling me names because I wrote what I did. Understand that my giving you my "credentials" was done specifically to educate you. If you still disagree with me...that is your prerogative. However if you are a maker who is looking to submit a Art, Damascus or Presentation folder into the tactical folder category. I would urge you to reconsider and put your knife into the correct category.
 
Im not talking about categories at certain shows. You just tend to come off as sort of a snob telling someone that it is not a tatical knife he created because he used certain materials in it. If I make 2 of the same identical tatical style knife and use certain materials (lets say g10 and stabalized wood) suddenly one is a whole different style knife then the other? So materials define what the knife is versus the shape or geometry or intended use?
 
Admittedly, Les, when I first read your post, I too had a negative impression.

This last post was well written, informative and logical.

Thanks for the education and taking the time to write it.

Peter
 
CBR,

I am not trying to come off as a snob. I am letting you know my background with regards to this.

If I make 2 of the same identical tatical style knife and use certain materials (lets say g10 and stabalized wood) suddenly one is a whole different style knife then the other? So materials define what the knife is versus the shape or geometry or intended use?

Yes, you are exactly right. The one with G-10 is a Tactical folder (Remember....Tactical is a Marketing Term...which identifies a certain look and/or materials...it in no way indicates what the knife can and cannot do). The one with Stabilized wood would not be a tactical folder...as it has natural handle material on it.

It is that simple.

The reason certain categories are created at shows for judging is because a certain style of knife is prevalent enough in the custom knife world to dictate it has it's own category. Such is the case with the "Tactical" category. The category exists with the criteria it has because there are enough knives out there that exhibit those characteristics within the criteria that define the category.

First the market defines the term (lexicon)...the term then becomes the accepted term for a particular style of knife. Damascus is called Damascus...but None of it that is used by member of the ABS is made in Syria. It is the lexicon of custom knives. Even the word "custom" had to be discussed for years before it became part of the lexicon of custom knives. The word in one sense represents a word that can be used by all those who have an interest in custom or hand made knives, etc. That we can talk about. Are all the Knives at the "East Coast Custom Knife Show" custom knives? Some are...most aren't...by the true definition of the word. However, in our lexicon...the title of the show tells you that there will be custom knives at this show. For those of us who are involved in custom knives and are familiar with its lexicon. Understand that there will not be Factory, Production, Semi-Production or Antique knives there.

Again, Tactical is merely a marketing term that became part of the lexicon of custom knives. Many want to employ this term (especially when it comes to folders) as they understand that the knives that make up this category are good sellers. And/or they want to be part of that sector of the custom market. Then, as we have seen here....they try to put a round peg in a square hole.

If you want your knife to be a tactical knife...put a synthetic handle material on it.

The question as a maker that you have to ask yourself is....If I am a maker trying to sell a knife to a tactical folder buyer that is clearly not a tactical folder. What level of expertise or knowledge do you think the buyer will give me. And as such will that transfer in a negative light?

Remember a big part of sales is product knowledge. As someone who has sold tens of thousands of tactical folders I feel I have a pretty good handle on the product knowledge of that particular market sector.
 
Les- what I wrote was very tongue in cheek. As I said, I classify them differently, and really don't bother with how others classify them.

Is there set rules/design parameters given to the makers PRIOR to them entering the knives. If not, and your rules are indeed law in these competitions then the makers are done a disservice by the judges as far as in concerned. Could you post the rules as given to makers about where to place their knives? Is there size determinations as well? Can one enter an un-heat treated knife and still win?

With everything I've read and discussed in the past 20 years of being active in knife collecting, and almost 30 years in knife using I've never before heard the definitions you previously posted- so to act as though these rules are cut in stone comes off as haughty/arrogant/elitist. Just because Terzoula said ypu helped define it for him does not mean that the definition is unchangable or clearly set just because one highly respected maker suggests that is his personal guidelines. Whenever I've heard the term tactical, as it applies to knives (and to my memory TK magazines definition) it seems to be a pocket clipped folder capable of being readily opened with the hand holding the knife.

Again- I care more about the knife and it's performance than where it sits in somebody irrelevant to myself's seemingly arbitrary classification.

Take care.
Kris
 
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