Customer Problem... Any Thoughts?

i have never done a charge back but i have heard the card companies almost always side with the consumer, which is usually a good thing because lord knows there are a lotta credit card scams out there lol...

Aloha SIFU1A,

Not in my case. I got ripped off by kingofswords, and there's a thread here about that done by others, so I just added myself to the list of victims.:mad: Called my CC company, and they said there is NOTHING they can do because the seller already removed the funds from my CC, so if there's any refunding, it has to come from the a$$wipe seller.:mad: I was shocked when they told me this.

I reported the seller to the GA BBB, and they gave this a$$hat until March 2009 to respond to them. Cripes, the guy does not answer his phone, so I am assuming that the GA BBB will just say, "Oh well, we tried, sorry, eat the loss." :mad:

I got scammed, as did VidKnight...

God bless.
 
I live in Harrah Oklahoma and am one of the "go to guys" for knives in this area and I AINT HEARD NOTHING ABOUT NO KNIFE RAFFLE.

Tim

Well, supposedly there was a knife raffle for this guy's knife club.

This "customer" signs all his emails, "President, Oklahoma Firearms & Knife Assoc." I don't mind posting that becuase there is absolutely no information anywhere on earth about this organization. Have you ever heard of it?

I Googled "flea markets" in Harrah and there are quite a few. Is a Microtech knife something you can pick up pretty easily at these meets?

I feel like we're getting close to something here.

-Cam
 
Well, supposedly there was a knife raffle for this guy's knife club.

This "customer" signs all his emails, "President, Oklahoma Firearms & Knife Assoc." I don't mind posting that becuase there is absolutely no information anywhere on earth about this organization. Have you ever heard of it?

I Googled "flea markets" in Harrah and there are quite a few. Is a Microtech knife something you can pick up pretty easily at these meets?

I feel like we're getting close to something here.

-Cam

Aloha VidKnight,

Can you email me this "president's name" asap please?

God bless!
 
Never heard of the assoc.

There is one actual flea market here, called Mary's Swap Meet (there are a couple of others but its all china crap, you know, pit bull tools, velvet paintings, boot leg video games, crap like that). There is one guy out there that deals in GOOD knives but they are all vintage Case, Keen Kutter, Cattaraugus, etc. and your dang sure not going to get a receipt. And the weather was so bad here in Jan. that the flea markets were dead.

I don't know of anywhere around here to get a Microtech, unless you went to one of the big sporting goods stores like Bass Pro Shop or a Knife shop over in Oklahoma City but even then I don't think they sell Microtech. If its an auto, forget it, illegal to buy or carry unless you have L E or Military ID. I know there is a dealer in Preston Oklahoma but that is over hour away.

Send me his info and I'll do a drive by and see what his place looks like.

Tim
 
Found these 2 ads on Oklahoma City Craigs List. Piedmont is another little community that runs right into Harrah.

Microtech SOCOM elite-a auto knife. - $300 (Piedmont)
Reply to: sale-1015018943@craigslist.org [?]
Date: 2009-01-31, 8:26AM CST


Very nice knife with sheath but no box sorry but lost in move.I can send pic but you know what youre getting.This has been used very little and it costs over 500 so my loss youre gain.Might be willing to trade for a harley jacket in mens l or a pistol/no ghetto junk and maybe a at&t smart phone.If interested please email superatmman2395@sbcglobal.net or405 630 0078 Thanks Shawn



Microtech mse-sc auto knife W/seat belt cutter - $225 (Piedmont)
Reply to: sale-1015012971@craigslist.org [?]
Date: 2009-01-31, 8:19AM CST


Very nice knife still in box with paperwork and sheath.I gave 375.00 for it but in a bind and need some money.Can send a pic if needed but if you know knives then you know this is the good stuff.I also have a microtech socom elite-a no box with sheath for 300.00.If interested please email superatmman2395@sbcglobal.net or 405 630 0078 Thanks Shawn
 
Cam your concern about doing the right thing reflects highly on you. It's a shame the guy is scamming you.

A reciept from a Flea Market Purchase, now that's something I'm going to have to look for.


Mitch
 
I made a few phone calls and NO ONE has heard of the Oklahoma Firearms & Knife Assoc.

I'm not saying it doesn't exist, but if it does, it is pretty obscure.

Tim
 
See, this is the whole reason I sell very little on ebay anymore. The buyers have all the power and the scammers are out in force. I have sold over 5000 knives in 5 years on ebay but have really cut back because of scammers. If this guy was scamming ME, I wouldn't be able to control my urge to drive to his house and confront him. I bend over backwards for my customers and always let the scale lean their way, but man, there is nothing I hate worse than someone trying to rip me off.
 
Vid, I just read thru this thread - I'm not sure what else you need to see here - you received a knife back you do not stock from a different manufacturer than the one you sent out, he has not CALLED YOU, he found a suitable knife for $450 at a flea market, which can be done, but you need to work at it and at the RIGHT flea market, and now the replacement knife has been disposed of.

He claims to have now spent $450 locally on a knife in easy fashion, and from the sound of things, it would be exceptionally difficult for him to have found this knife locally.

That he may have spent anything locally is a red herring. That he is sending you back a knife you do not offer or sell is evidential.

I would specifically call your bank and card processor and inform them of the facts of this case, including the charge number, and tell them you believe this to be a case of fraud. I would then contact him and tell him that you are contacting the police about the incident and then do so, again giving full disclosure.

Once this occurs, they will handle the load and he can begin to answer some more diffucult questions, particularly about finding a knife which appears to be considered illegal in his jurisdiction, as well as what the disposition of this knife is, and how he managed to conduct what may be construed as an illegal lottery. If the organization does not exist, that may also be of interest to the local authorities since they seem to frown on invention of non-profits for whatever reason.
 
Vid, I just read thru this thread - I'm not sure what else you need to see here

I agree- everything points to fraud. I've seen all I need at this point. But it was nice to see it from a bunch of different perspectives- that really helps.

I would specifically call your bank and card processor and inform them of the facts of this case

Already done. Everyone pertinent has been notified to the best of my knowledge.

Nylanknife, I really appreciate the legwork you have done on this. I'll send you some info via PM, but for now I think we've got things figured out pretty clearly.

Thank you again everyone for your insights, suggestions and support.

-Cam
 
The bad news is, if he does a chargeback, you will likely lose. Has happened to me a couple times. Even when I have proof it was delivered and they still have the merch.

Frustrating
 
The bad news is, if he does a chargeback, you will likely lose.

I'll deal with that if it happens. Generally when we've shipped to the confirmed billing and we have their signature we've won the chargeback.

-Cam
 
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