Daisy Cutter Protoype

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vector001

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this is the final stage of the Daisy Cutter Proof of Concept.

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this thing swings like the Devil. oh yeah, she'll do....


...we are gettin' there....

vec
 
Duzzy said:
What's with the handle?
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the crazy profile? the materials?

it's an endo-/exo-skeletal handles like my others desins, th Gen 1 handles, but it has different physical attributes, due to the design and weight. i think the CQB crowd is going to like this one. it's a lot lighter and livelier than similar-sized hawks, but very strong, plus the head has some advantages that other tactical-type hawks lack.

the Daisy Cutter has hybrid characteristics between a splitting maul, a belt axe, a hatchet, and a proper hawk. what i am trying to do is make a tool that does a lot well. so far i am not disappointed.

the angles, weight, and balance on this protoype are optimized for fighting, while still being applicable for bushcraft;

when you hold the handle at the last bend, hammer forward, you have a lot of great striking force, plus incredible tracking, because of the rest of the head's trailing mass. it's a trick i picked up living with the Isnag headhunters, while i observed their favorite tool, the aliwah. - the ergonomics of the handle allow you to flip it in your hand while not dropping the tool, so if you go from the hammer distal hold and flip it to the bit-forward distal hold, the angle of that last bit of handle puts the axis that is tangent to the arc of swing perpendicular to that edge nexus on the bit, which makes it cut and penetrate very well, while allowing the head to have those thick splitting maul edges, because the edges are approaching the target at an angle, thereby making them relatively thinner, in effect.

holding the handle at the end this way would be likely if you were overrun by multiple opponents, and the hold takes less concentration to index targets with than a straight handle or forward swept handle would on a tool of simlar mass with different mass properties. - this is why i call it the Melee Handle. i'm all about the multiple adversaries scenarios....

so ya get cutting ability with durability.

it looks funky, but when you wield it, you understand.



if you choke up to the middle leg of the handle, you get some nice control for utility tasks, as well as combatives. i still have some experimenting to do with the ballast effect of the handle, but so far, i like what i am seeing.

there's always room to improve, but i like this concept a lot, in practice vice just theory.

when we start making the entrenching attachments, etc. for it, folks will go nuts, i reckon.


i want to do another handle that is optimized for bushcraft, but also decent for fighting.

wish me luck.


HTH.

vec
 
pretty on the eyes, but all that perpendicular to the tangent. hurts my brain, go primal, wail and flail.

Love to see your stuff Brother Vec
 
VEC that is badda**!!!

part of me wants to FLIP the handle over so the head pentrates even faster.........

tee hee
 
I see 4, no, 8 possible handle configs for that set up. 4 of them would be effective, the other 8 I'd have to try. Must speed up zombie infestation...
 
Holy hell Vec, I LOVE IT!:thumbup::D

Now for a dumb question. Could that be produced with the head removable from the shaft? The design gets my head spinning with interesting ideas, and that is a good thing.
 
omniviking said:
pretty on the eyes, but all that perpendicular to the tangent. hurts my brain, go primal, wail and flail.

Love to see your stuff Brother Vec
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thanks, good-brother.

this thing is Murder Ballet, as we used to call good things that did good stuff to bad people...;

no viking that touches it will be able to resist....

:D:thumbup:

vec
 
Bizarre, but it's making a lot more sense to me now than the photos that were snapped at SHOT. I like it. :thumbup:
 
Bushman5 said:
VEC that is badda**!!!

part of me wants to FLIP the handle over so the head pentrates even faster.........

tee hee
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it actually won't penetrate faster the other way, that's one of the subtleties of the design that makes your brain jump when you pick it up - i planned it that way. i love that feeling. nothing like a good prototype.

i had no idea what the Daisy Cutter was going to look like - i had an objective, wrote down a bunch of physics diagrams, did some CAD work, and out popped this thing.

i like it.

i think other folks will too. my little girl, Emmy, loves hawks, and she is my little lucky charm when she really likes something, we better make a bunch. - she was all over the Daisy Cutter yesterday, as were the other females in the house.

good omen. chicks diggit.

it's going to be fun watching folks play with the Daisy Cutters. i know we all have had similar aggravations with tools, as much as we love them. this design let's you cheat a little more.

i hate gimmicks and sacrifice in design - designers that design around a purpose instead of an aesthetic always make a better product. - i believe if you think about things hard enough, especially with the assistance of Diagnostics CAD, and actually know how to use it!, you can do some good things. - there are a lot of myths that state the opposite. it's ignorance talking....

this configuration saves a lot of energy on the overhand swings too in the bit-forward mode. - it feels like you are whipping things kind of, or hitting things with a chain mace (probably, i have never used a real mace, but i imagine this would be like it in the swing, except you would cleave things instead of splat them).

when you hold the distal end bit-forward - every time you change hand position, the entire nature of the weapon changes with you - with a little practice, i think you could be revolutionary in the way you could fight with it. still a lot to work on, but i think we are onto something here....

the hammer poll forward distal hold feels really good in the side swing, like a kukhri on crack, and the poll is going to do great clearing on the outside of arms and legs, breaking feet and spines, and blasting exposed hearts, livers, and kidneys, if you are willing to go there as a combatant.

i am.

lots of traps and manipulations are inherent in the design, as the combatives guys here can easily see.

we need zombies.

fire the zombie delivery guy....


i am a big fan of blunt force trauma. nothing fancy for fancy's sake. that's me. - so the increased power stroke and higher PSI on the Bomb Poll makes me happy.

i think it'd be cool to gently whack a bad guy in te forehead leaving the Bomb Outline form the poll right between his eyes. sign your work.... :cool:


the mass placement of the Daisy Cutter makes it pretty instinctive IMHO.

no months in the dojo fighting shadows and reflections should be required....


i think once folks get to trust it, the bit-forward distal hold is going to be a big favorite, when they get past the shock of it in their minds - the hand loves that hold - losts of ability to clear your space. this Daisy Cutter and a suppressed .45 in the off hand would make me happy dance on Taliban sentries' dead bodies....

every bit of real estate on the Daisy Cutter is part of a plan.

it's a good start.


sorry to rant - i just love this thingy....

vec
 
Calebklyne said:
looks odd.... oddly functional:D

will the end product have a little more rounded handles?
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the Utility Version will, brother, but i think folks will see how comfy this version is.

if you use the Melee Daisy Cutter a lot in utility, it will probably best be in combination with a baton that you make with the Daisy Cutter, and some technique that you should use with any tool regardless, for energy conservation in the field. man! i remember eating MRE beans, i was so hungry in the field... i dislike beans....

energy conservation is always on my mind.

there is a lot of forgiveness built into this composite handle, so the small radius on the edges of the Melee Handle tend not to aggravate you, especially since the handle has a micro-pebble finish for grip improvement.

the handle characteristics are optimized for killing bad guys in a shit storm when primary weapons have failed or there is a need for quiet; the way the hawk moves, coupled with the edges and shape and size become more beneficial the more off-target you are, similar to the Strike Plate concept on my Gen 1 endo-/exo-skeletal composite hawk handles. - simply put;

the more in a panic and off target you are, the more those corners come up and present themselves, to bust through skin and bone on pressure areas, like scalps, scapulae, collar bones, ulnas when the bad guy is trying to block with his arms to snag you or defend, etc. riot batons should be built like this IMHO - you could manipulate crowds without large swings, as are necessary with conventional batons and sticks in most cases - the more in a hurry and poorly-indexed that you are, the more the edges present themselves to help you get her done....

it's primed for Melee.


these aren't for everyone, but i like them.

vec
 
ArchAngel said:
Holy hell Vec, I LOVE IT!:thumbup::D

Now for a dumb question. Could that be produced with the head removable from the shaft? The design gets my head spinning with interesting ideas, and that is a good thing.
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thanks, brother.

it could definitely be made separable from the haft. i kept it simple in case it caught a bullet or frag and you needed to repair it in the field.

J-B Marine Weld is our friend, when around tanks - :cool::thumbup:

- it might require a very small amount of some thick grease or a rubber gasket to vapor-lock the head on if you didn't want a slight amount of play in the head (which you might not even feel, but a lot of us are perfectionists here).

you could also just make your own haft out of some wrapped mahogany plywood or something for a custom version of your own handle.

that could be beautiful, and specialized for your own tastes.

a win-win.


i am interested to see what develops here in the Hawk Dungeon as well as with the end users, in that regard.


tool attachments that folks come up with should be quite a show, and great to see shared.


i trust folks' common sense. i expect to be amazed by their ingenuity.


i like making things that facilitates the Investors' creativity, like the ECO Hawk (we are getting all sorts of news from folks who just got their ECOs and are modding handles and stuff for them - it is so cool to see - stuff i never thought of - it's like watching your kid do something expertly that you could never do);

things like the forward cut-out on the Daisy Cutter head are an effort to do that too....


HTH.

vec
 
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That be a sexy tool :)

How much would a Daisy head cost? How much for the handle type shown above?

Like the direction you are going for in the design. Out with traditional handles and innovative axe head design. Haven't been so attracted to an axe since the Strider crash axe.
 
Cotherion said:
That be a sexy tool :)

How much would a Daisy head cost? How much for the handle type shown above?

Like the direction you are going for in the design. Out with traditional handles and innovative axe head design. Haven't been so attracted to an axe since the Strider crash axe.
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not sure yet on the prices, because i am developing. don't want this to be perceived as a sale thread and get popped either - just trying to start including folks in the project.

you understand.

it should be pretty reasonable price-wise, if not utterly fantastic.

Saint Erica can always put any brother on the Wish List - there is zero obligation - just tell her what you'd like - it helps us keep prices down because we have minimums in mind from peoples' stated interest.

ericag@equinoxcoronado.com

thanks for the encouragement, brother!

vec
 
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