Daisy Cutter Protoype

New composite handles for the Eco...
When and how much?

not sure exactly how much we'll ask, they'll be too cheap to resist.

some of the machines i just got should make things a lot easier, and the savings will be passed down to the Investors. that's the way we roll. i can't say much more here.

that said, there are alot of spiffy improvised handles one can do - the composite ECO handles will be something that is hard to match with an improvisation; i don't believe in designing things that really aren't an improvement, at least not much of one.

the ECO handle is gonna be wicked, if i can do my part.

like the Daisy Cutter Composite Handle, it will be part baton, part war club, and part handle....

wish me luck.

.......

brother slackstatic - TOPS bought the rights for the first run of Daisy Cutter Handles - i am going to make the handles and send them to join with the heads - so the option for permanent or removable will be up to them for a bit.

Mister Fuller is a super good man IMHO, and i expect he'll let me have just enough Daisy Cutters to go nuts with customizations on them.

when the work starts, i'll keep you guys posted - keep a spot empty in your Christmas stocking, if ya like LOL.

vec
 
have been looking at your Hawks for a while, my first impression was WOW, you are probally making the greatist Hawk Handle ever. this is my question after some thought it seems that you are making a 200.00 handle for a 20 dollar Cold steel Hawk Head. with all the great custom Hawk makers out there it seems you could pair them up a little better, after all when it is said and done the cutting/chopping is the important thing right? Now maybe i am overthinking this or i didn,t get the point. I am not professing to be an expert on this subject but before everyone jumps me as some couch potato I will say i went through Infantry Basic and Jump School at Benning when you still ran in BDUs and combat boots and the Drill Sargents could still put their hands on you after that i landed at Bragg with the 3rd 325th. also grew up hunting and fishing in the Mtns of NC so you could say i have spent my time in the dirt. once again i am not trying to insult you or your work just asking a Question
 
I agree with Stryder, but I have a plan: I'm getting hawks from Steve at Coal Creek Forge and if I ever break his fire-hardened hickory hafts, i'll send the heads in to Vec for his space-age wizardry hafts.
 
have been looking at your Hawks for a while, my first impression was WOW, you are probally making the greatist Hawk Handle ever.

thanks.

we have learned some hard facts; - namely - folks want strength over speed for their "tomahawks", which is a shame in many ways (to me) - so we will be beefing up the handles as an option for folks, and expanding into a production axe replacement handle for the Wetterlings, GBs, etc. - that axe handle will be a different creature from what i consider a good tomahawk handle to be, but it will be relatively light still, for the strength it affords. i am presently attempting to get a special paintable 20 Mil monomer flash coating on all the tool handles that is extremely tough, and will further protect the units from IED flash fires, and a bunch of other stuff.

at any rate;

- as they are now, i consider my hawks to be very combat-realistic (USMC infantry and Navy Corpsman veteran here) but the simple fact is that folks mostly do not give a damn (generally) about technique or hikeability - they want brutes for choppers mostly. those heavy boat anchors will always stay in my vehicle when i hunt, etc.

give me a proper long hawk and a long blade every time.

i will outdistance myself, and outwork myself with those two humble things over time, compared to any heavy single tool.

they are more realsitic towards an extended Bug Out scenario IME.

i've lived with headhunters - they adopted me in fact - guess what they carried? - stuff that acted like tomahawks and machetes... LOL... we got along.

this is my question after some thought it seems that you are making a 200.00 handle for a 20 dollar Cold Steel Hawk Head. with all the great custom Hawk makers out there it seems you could pair them up a little better, after all when it is said and done the cutting/chopping is the important thing right? Now maybe i am overthinking this or i didn,t get the point.

i think those are good questions, brother!

- one has to recall that when i started the humble Hawk Project almost 4 years ago, the Cold Steel Trail Hawk was the only hawk head readily available that had the DIMENSIONS i needed for (what i considered as) a proper hawk - most other heads were overweight, and their centers of mass were way off.

since then, ...a lot of what i have been evangelizing about proper hawks is becoming more common (which i am not saying is because of me, but it is a correlation )- you are seeing alot more long skinny heads in the market.

the next challenge for head choice was eye dimensions. as criticval as people are about Cold Steel, their eye dimensions were fairly consistent, where others were random. - i couldn't make a living off of what was perceived as the best hawk heads at that time. - that is beginning to change now as we have tooled up and gotten some wiles, so to speak. we have done a lot of custom work on many makers' custom heads - i still like Cold Steel Trail Hawks though, particualrly after we BUG headed them, shaving their weight and increasing their edge geometry, etc. we talkd about BUG heads somewheres in here....

we have been trying to get some forges online in the USA to make an All-American hawk for a similar price point to our current line, the Gen 1 Mk V hawks, but that has been slow in coming. slow but steady.

we'll get there.


all that said - a lot of folks (most of our Investors) write me back and say they didn't realize how good Cold Steel Trail Hawks were, in use. a lot of these folks are hawk users and collectors and tell me that a lot of names you hear connected to hawks all the time have some issues (that's why you want to go through people who you know, and who back their product Unconditionally).


a lot of the failings of Cold Steel Hawks are simple edge geometry issues.

Cold Steel Trail Hawk heads, in my experience, work very well when you scandi the edge, and then knock the edge down at a very high angle.

you don't have to work that edge with a microscope like other specialty edges, and the bit just gets sweeter over time. i love rolling out from under my tarp in the morning in some Pacific Northwest rain forest, giving the hawk and machete a few quick licks on the diamond stone that will last all day, and moving out. that's all that edge usually needs, when i do my part with proper hawk technique.

hawks aren't knives. - when they really get flying, you are going to ding the best ones up - if it is too hard, good luck fixing it.


maybe i should've just said that i love Cold Steel Trail Hawk heads. - i am not too hot on the other ones they make because of their designs, but i have been wanting to get a bunch of the Spike Hawks they now do, and vectorize them. - so there is a distinction that should be made - i think the Trail hawk is superior to all the others, before modifications are made, and usually after. the Cold Steel Rifleman, with a lopped poll is an exception that i like as a replacement Forest/Battle Axe - but that is not a proper tomahawk - it is well over the one-ounce-per-inch-of-length rule of proper hawks - battle axes and good limbers are more like 1.5 - 2 ounces per inch....

there are a lot of subtle things going on in a proper hawk.

i can talk about them for pages and nothing will register - but when i hand someone a proper hawk, you can see the pupils dilate - it doesn't matter if it is a Marine or a gawddam gramma - a proper hawk turns on something primal inside... or it is simply not a proper hawk IME.


eventually, i hope to have handles that the end user can load on their hawk head themselves and adjust as they see fit, ballast-wise, ...so all this talk will be meaningless - folks will just order a handle within a size range of their hawk's eye, and take it on and off as they please. other projects are taking precedence right now, like the Daisy Cutter (which is kicking my ass BTW - LOL).


I am not professing to be an expert on this subject but before everyone jumps me as some couch potato I will say i went through Infantry Basic and Jump School at Benning when you still ran in BDUs and combat boots and the Drill Sargents could still put their hands on you after that i landed at Bragg with the 3rd 325th. also grew up hunting and fishing in the Mtns of NC so you could say i have spent my time in the dirt. once again i am not trying to insult you or your work just asking a Question


knowing what ya like is important. - folks like that are very helpful to deal with for me personally, because we have a reference to talk over. i turn a lot of people away who want me to make a proper hawk into something else entirely - i'm a proper hawk maker. - not a Belt Axe Maker. not an Ice Axe Maker. (although i went through a real Battle Axe fetish that i haven't quite shed - HAR! )

- i've seen folks who heft a 6 pound axe through the mountains ever day for most of the year - and God Bless 'em, but i want to see them fight with that thing, and i want to see what their knees look like by the time they are 40 or 50.... me? i got what i need - A PROPER HAWK. - if anyone wants one, great! i'll make 'em one, with a Happiness Guarantee, ta boot.

'seems pretty reasonable to me.


LOL - i'm still reeling in shock that they don't run in Boots and Yutes no mo'.... shaking my head at memories of lost toenails that got run off, open sores in my back from an M16A2 banging into it for miles daily, etc.,... i hated it, but oo-RAUGH, it was better than being a mere hu-man. :cool::thumbup:


the humble Hawk Project has always been a Development Project to make better hawks - in some small ways we have succeeded, but there is still very far to go. if i had a lot of money, we would've been a lot farther by now, but ya do what ya can....

the best part of the whole thing is all the friendships.

because of hawks, i got to meet Mike Fuller of TOPS, Lynn Thompson of Cold Steel, and we have really made firends for life all over the world. i've been invited to Africa, Russia, Asia, Australia, Scandinavia, and all sorts of cool places to go fool around in the dirt with brothers from other mothers. it's been a dream. i want my hawks to reflect the joy.

to be righteous.

not everyone has been pleased with us. - frankly, they have been so few, that i probably shouldn't care, but i always try to do a good job for my brethren.

when we dig out from all this production work from TOPS, etc. - we should be coming out with some stuff you guys are going to really appreciate.

and thanks for asking, brother stryder'.

vec
 
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I agree with Stryder, but I have a plan: I'm getting hawks from Steve at Coal Creek Forge and if I ever break his fire-hardened hickory hafts, i'll send the heads in to Vec for his space-age wizardry hafts.

i love brohter steve's stuff - he cracks me up too.

- and good wood is very nice. - good luck with those, brother, i hope it is a long wait before you need us.

ultimately, i hope to do a wood inlay composite handle - best of both worlds, in a traditional look.

vec
 
Vec, thanks for taking my question in the spirit it was presented, I am glad you have found a place in this world to do what you love and are receiving the praise that comes from the application of a lot of sweat. I am also glad that you seem to be constantly evolving your designs. as someone who has made a living as an artist i also realize that you will never please everyone, but you seem to realize it is just as important to listen to the criticism as much as the praise. I also realized when i posed the question i was reacting to pictures of your work and not having the product in my hand which as you so well know changes everything, can,t tell you how many times i have bought the latest greatest tool and let it gather dust while i used my old ones that worked better for me. keep up the search for the perfect Hawk, you may never find it but it will keep you off the street and out of trouble. best wishes from another wanderer in this crazy world.
 
Vec, thanks for taking my question in the spirit it was presented, I am glad you have found a place in this world to do what you love and are receiving the praise that comes from the application of a lot of sweat. I am also glad that you seem to be constantly evolving your designs. as someone who has made a living as an artist i also realize that you will never please everyone, but you seem to realize it is just as important to listen to the criticism as much as the praise. I also realized when i posed the question i was reacting to pictures of your work and not having the product in my hand which as you so well know changes everything, can,t tell you how many times i have bought the latest greatest tool and let it gather dust while i used my old ones that worked better for me. keep up the search for the perfect Hawk, you may never find it but it will keep you off the street and out of trouble. best wishes from another wanderer in this crazy world.

thanks for the kind words, brother - 'always an honor to get high praise from a fellow warrior-poet.

vec
 
Post-Christmas request for an update on this project from Vector Claus. I know you've got a lot of irons in the fire but this piqued my interest!
 
vec! Wheres my daisy cutter in the christmas stocking? I looked and looked and looked but couldn't find it anywhere mate!?

I'm more excited about the handles to go with any hawk!!!
 
That is pretty nice looking, now all you need to do is make sure it can cause as much damage as its explosive counterpart, the BLU-82 Bomb, you'll do just fine
 
I have an update, I still want one. Last time I talked to Vec he said they were still on the table, but had no idea when they would be brought to the front. Keeping my fingers crossed.
 
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