Dalerich & His Trade Offer

[Franklin]

To Dalerich, and your Trade offer

After jerkng around with Dalerich for 2-weeks, he decides to keep his knife.
That's fine and dandy. However, under the circumstances I felt he earned a "walk-of-shame", due to his :jerkit:

My final response to him...

Hello Dale Richmond, I understand clearly now. I understand you have a (retail) $200.00 knife and you clearly were not dealing in good faith.
Had you been dealing in good faith...
1 - you would have replied to my email's in a timely manner, instead of putting me off.
2 - you would not have tentively agreed to my initial trade, in the first place...
3 - jack-around for two-weeks.
Sir, I personally think you're an asshole.

 

[tallpaul]

To Dalerich, and your Trade offer

After jerkng around with Dalerich for 2-weeks, he decides to keep his knife.
That's fine and dandy. However, under the circumstances I felt he earned a "walk-of-shame", due to his :jerkit:

My final response to him...

Hello Dale Richmond, I understand clearly now. I understand you have a (retail) $200.00 knife and you clearly were not dealing in good faith.
Had you been dealing in good faith...
1 - you would have replied to my email's in a timely manner, instead of putting me off.
2 - you would not have tentively agreed to my initial trade, in the first place...
3 - jack-around for two-weeks.
Sir, I personally think you're an :jerkit:

Seems Odd I have delt with dale several times and never had a problem...

can you tell me the difference between tentatively and for sure?

 

[pbubsy]

I've had a good experience with Dalerich. He's had strong communication from my experience.

 

[Dalerich]

Here is the email from Franklin and my reply. Just as a note this is the FIRST communication from him that indicated there was a problem between us...It is too bad that this made it to a public forum.
As to the "walk-of-shame" I am fairly sure that you have earned the "mouth of shame".

Hello Rick,
I am sorry that you feel that way.
I am also sorry that you resort to profanity when you do not get what you want.
If you think I have done wrong to you I apologize there certainly was no intent to do so. If you are so sure of the value of this knife I would ask you to find another new one to purchase and leave name calling out of your emails. It will profit you nothing.
Dale Richmond


----- Original Message -----
From: ziggedandzagged@comcast.net
To: dacwrich@sbcglobal.net
Cc: ziggedandzagged@comcast.net
Sent: Tuesday, October 24, 2006 9:05 AM
Subject: Re: BM 705 forum knife


Hello Dale Richmond, I understand clearly now. I understand you have a $200.00 (retail from Benchmade per an Authorized Benchmade Spokesperson) and you clearly were not dealing in good faith. Had you been dealing in good faith...
1 - you would have replied to my email's in a timely manner, instead of putting me off.
2 - you would not have tentively agreed to my initial trade in the first place...
3 - jack-around for two-weeks.
Sir, I personally think you're an asshole!

Most assuredly,
Rick Wilemon

-------------- Original message --------------
From: <dacwrich@sbcglobal.net>

> Hello Rick,
> Thanks for your persistence but for now I will keep the 705.
> I hope you will understand.
> Dale Richmond

 

[Franklin]

Dale, your a man of detail...

show them the Email that you accepted the Strider trade!
then RENIGED

:jerkit:

 

[LarryM]

I have had several smooth deals with Dalerich and wouldn't hesitate to have another deal with him. thanks Larry

 

[Franklin]

There are 2 points to be made here.

1 - I'm satisfied there's been fantastic deals done here, all the time. Upto this point, everyone has been incredible with communicating and follow-through. Dale did neither, with me.

2 - This is my post to explain my dealings with Dale.


I understand not all deals work-out 100%, but to accept a trade offer from me, then renig... and tell me he got a particular knife, tells me he's dealing in the "Want to Trade" forum.

 

[tallpaul]

There are 2 points to be made here.

1 - I'm satisfied there's been fantastic deals done here, all the time. Upto this point, everyone has been incredible with communicating and follow-through. Dale did neither, with me.

2 - This is my post to explain my dealings with Dale.


I understand not all deals work-out 100%, but to accept a trade offer from me, then renig... and tell me he got a particular knife, tells me he's dealing in the "Want to Trade" forum.

:jerkit: show them that email too, since you are into details.

Rick Wilemon- your post is a bit hard to follow. If you are hard to follow here I see no reason to believe that you would not have communicated clearly nor maybe understood the "supposed" interest as a done deal... taking your time or not reponding quickly enough for your liking is not a neccasarily bad thing. It may just be your lack of patience and or excitement at getting a knife you wanted and being disappointed that it was not gonna happen.

you still never explained the difference between tentively and for sure but just in case ... from websters.com

ten&#8231;ta&#8231;tive&#8194; /&#712;t&#603;nt&#601;t&#618;v/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[ten-tuh-tiv] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
–adjective
1. of the nature of or made or done as a trial, experiment, or attempt; experimental: a tentative report on her findings.
2. unsure; uncertain; not definite or positive; hesitant: a tentative smile on his face.

 

[Dalerich]

Hello Franklin,
Please by all means post all of our emails here. I have nothing to hide, I would request you post ALL of them though. Please no selective editing.
I have asked you to forgive me for any perceived wrongdoing on my part and I do not know what else to do to make you happy. If you have any suggestions I am willing to listen to them.

I am sorry you are so angry, your anger is not my fault. You have made that choice all by yourself.

You have the right to continue posting to this thread and keep it on the top of this list, but it will only reveal your real motives and intentions.

Just so you know I will no longer list knives here to trade as that appears to be one of the numerous problems you have with me.

Dale Richmond

 

[Franklin]

tallpaul, have Dale explain it to you.

I made my points here, and stand by them.

 

[tallpaul]

tallpaul, have Dale explain it to you.

I made my points here, and stand by them.

You did not "prove anything" ... you whined like a little girl who did not have your way. If your emails proved you were right you would have posted them. Entertaining offers may mean two differnt things to the two people involved. Immediate decisions are not always made and while nice- they are not a necessity to being a "good guy" . I have been contacted by dale and we entertained several deals that did not come to fruition- as I have with quite a few other members here. Trades take some pondering and sometimes they just fall through. No problems here for adults- nor folks in general unless they really thought they were gettin the better end of a deal and they get disappointed by one fallin through. It sure looks like you in this case.

by your own words you said tentative deal and that is not a for sure deal- there is a difference. and not everyone treats emails as IM's either nor is it wrong to do so unless monies/items have been exchanges either then quicker emails are warranted.

BTW Did you exchange addresses? thats a pretty good indicator a deal was for sure? Did you ship your item to him?

 

[tallpaul]

Btw in researching your posts there were several offer apparently sent by you to dale over the two weeks and no where in the thread do your offers get aknowledged by you or dale as the knife not being available anymore. So if anything the offer you thought might have been accepted must not have been two weeks old,,, or if it was it was ignored from the start

ya may want to look to trade for some midol...

 

[Franklin]

Don't take my not posting to this as a weakness...
I made my point, and that's all folks.
Whether or not you like it.

 

[Franklin]

Anyhow, I appologize to the outstanding group of people here at the Blade Forums for this.

 

[JD Mandrell]

I don't have to prove nothing to you, you have nothing to do with this no-way shape or form.

Yes, he and the rest of us here actually do, you said so the moment you posted this thread.

And yes you do have something to prove, your allegations. It seem slightly "odd" that you started by posting one edited e-mail, but when asked to post them all unedited, suddenly your backing off??????

 

[tallpaul]

Yes, he and the rest of us here actually do, you said so the moment you posted this thread.

And yes you do have something to prove, your allegations. It seem slightly "odd" that you started by posting one edited e-mail, but when asked to post them all unedited, suddenly your backing off??????

Gee ya' think

How dare you think his whining may be unwarranted without proof- yet he uses the :jerkit: for others. I think we all if we have been here long enough have been disappointed in the trade realm- on both sides. I have had a few guys say they want somethin only to back out or change thier minds- dissapointing- yup the end of the world- nah. Should I bash em- not really if I am not out a knife or money. I just may make a mental note not to deal with em if I think they were to indecisive for me. Then again I think "mental" is a key word here

One of the uses of this GBU forum is to point out problems with buyers- AND defend those from unwarranted or unsubstantiated attack. It is way to easy to come here and say- " John doe is bad" with out a real case to leave it go unchallenged.

 

[tallpaul]

But there's nothing worse than having someone renig on you, especially when it's over something you dearly wanted.

Nah- you weren't just a little disappointed nor affected in your view of the possibility of a trade were ya - you are totally un biased :jerkit:

 

[Franklin]

The Last Confederate, go back and reread the edited post.

 

[tallpaul]

The Last Confederate, go back and reread the edited post.
I posted a image instead of using asshole. For the sake of the other members.
The asshole was exclusively for Dale.

tallpaul, as I said, there's no pissing contest here. And if Dale wants to share all the emails verbatim, you'll see how it all went down. Dale post the 1, that you renigged on the trade and said you got the knife you wanted.

tallpaul, I'll guarantee he won't post it and I'm not going to rehash this anymore.
I gave you all a heads-up that he jerked me around and if that's not good enough for you, the armchair referee..., get a life.

Jerkin around or indecisiveness in a trade negotiation is a whole lot different than monies or goods bein' sent. As I said earlier were addresses and goods exchanged? Short of that its disappointing but not a life ending or criminal offence. Did you loose out on another in the mean time? Sellers and or traders remorse is not uncommon. I would imagine you have experienced it yourself. I do hope you can find what you are lookin for, calm down and you'll likely find one and get it- eventually.

 

[JD Mandrell]

The Last Confederate, go back and reread the edited post.
I posted a image instead of using asshole. For the sake of the other members.
The asshole was exclusively for Dale.

Like I said, edited if your going to post copies of communications between parties on here, you need to do it verbatim, any editing can raise eyebrows.

tallpaul, as I said, there's no pissing contest here. And if Dale wants to share all the emails verbatim, you'll see how it all went down. Dale post the 1, that you renigged on the trade and said you got the knife you wanted.

Why ask him to?

If you have them and feel they support your claim, why don't you do it?