DARK OPS Pics. PLEASE!!!!!

Yes sir,

I'm waiting to talk to the other guy to give you an answer on your suggestion for testing. I'll be in touch with his reply when he gets back to me.

Thanks for the response.

Brownie
 
brownie0486 said:
bob bowie:

I don't expect you to be quiet about it, just don't expect everyone else to think along the same lines as well Bob.

That's alright.

I used to work with S+W as an adjunct instructor and even then I would not carry their line of knives as they are the low end of the spectrum for me personally.

They could actually produce really nice knives, back when they made them at the Houlton, Me plant.

Yet, many many cops will carry their line of knives due to price point and name recognition and I don't believe their line is suffering all that greatly with peoples concerns about their taking anothers idea and running with it.

That's fine, I except that certain folks just want an affordable knife, and don't care/know about certain things in the cutlery industry. But I do believe that it is the duty of the true cutlery lover to look out for the decent people in the industry.


BTW--Is it ethically wrong or criminally wrong in your mind there Dave? I ask as someone surely had g-10, beadblasted folders before strider and that would of course mean the strider boys copied someone elses idea.

I'm fine with the fact that all knives are going to share certain features(grinds,shapes,materials). I'll expand on this later.

Again, I'll ask, how far you willing to take the thought process. Perhaps we should rag on strider for their use of g-10, titanium framed folders, and beadblast finishs as well as they were not the originators of those features right? They copied someone elses idea as well no?

Like I said, I except that certain things will have to be shared, but I'd like to see some free thinking, Ideally, perhaps some innovation. I want to see somthing fresh brought to the market. I absolutely hate looking at a knife, and knowing that no real thought when into it. That some company simply slapped together a bunch of features lifted from the current popular brand.

Someone before stridfer had the idea of clips on their folders, someone had beadblast finishes before, someone had titanium in use before, someone had g-10 in use before, someone had an opening hole before them as well.

Yes, again, certain designs features will be shared, and the stand-up guys will give credit where credit is due.

Seems to me that if we take your criteria for bad mouthing a company for stealing others thoughts and product peculiaraities, materials, we'd be left with only the original makers products as all else would be copying them thereafter, no?

No, I don't except the old "There is nothing new under the sun" arguement. There are certainly enough feautues one could change to be original.
I look at real innovative companies like Spyderco; for example, never once have have I thought to myself, "Damn, they copied all this stuff from XYZ".

Sadly, I can't say the same for others.
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Update...Iw as browsing the darkops website, and the STratofighter folder now has it's own full-size pic. (scroll down and you'll see it). Is it me, or does it look VERY familiar?

--dan
 
Update...Iw as browsing the darkops website, and the STratofighter folder now has it's own full-size pic. (scroll down and you'll see it). Is it me, or does it look VERY familiar?
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No, I don't see your point. Dark OPS knives are both original and completely practical. They integrate fresh and useful designs that are made with blood splatter in mind, and they are also created with state-of-the-art locking systems that are far superior to the other locks we see with unreputed makers like Benchmade, Spyderco, and Chris Reeve. These other locks are untested, unsafe, and unable to hold up in day-to-day knife combat.

In fact, if it wasn't for these knives, the pretzel stands and Sunglass huts in malls everywhere would be at constant risk. Luckily, we can rest assured that we will be armed-to-the-teeth and splatter-safe when it comes to protecting the innocent and carrying out tough justice, the justice of the eagle...the justice of the talon...



:barf: :barf: :barf: :D :D :D
 
dano said:
Update...Iw as browsing the darkops website, and the STratofighter folder now has it's own full-size pic. (scroll down and you'll see it). Is it me, or does it look VERY familiar?

--dan
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It's an Extrema Ratio MPC rip off. :eek:
 
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No no! You don't understand...the similarity is so that your enemies will think it's an Extreme Ratio and let their guard down. Little do they know, the TALON IS READY TO STRIKE!

:D

That's a shameless ripoff...no way anyone can defend it.
 
Are they serrious? you'd think at least something noticeable would be changed.



Man, I expected more from Frank, up till now, I was ready to give him the beneift of the doubt. :grumpy:
 
The blade is ever so slightly disimproved, but it's the green eyed goblin stare that lets you know......that's a serious killin blade!

I don't think the grooves are to reduce blood spray but to accentuate the lustrous spatter of blood in tarantinoesque fashion.
You saw Kill Bill didn't you?
 
I have to agree that it is an er ripoff. But at least they got the blade and handle to line up. :D I have always thought that the er folders were ugly as hell due to the miss alignment of the handle and blade!!

Tom
 
Tom Krein said:
I have to agree that it is an er ripoff. But at least they got the blade and handle to line up. :D I have always thought that the er folders were ugly as hell due to the miss alignment of the handle and blade!!

Tom
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Of course Tom, the fact that the handle and blade now line up PROVES it's not a blatant rip-off of the ER folder. I mean, we have to overlook that everything else is the same... but hey, now the blade and handle line up! :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
 
Apparently some are having a difficulttime of discerning the differences between the ER MPC and the DOK Stratofighter.

Lets see,

1. The DOK opened blade spine sits flush with the back of the grip and has no ledge to rest the thumb on like ER's

2. The DOK had traction assists in the "wells" of the handle unlike ER which waas an asked for improvement.

3. The DOK has serations for the thumb and forefinger to make contact with when opened unlike the ER

4. The glass breaker has been redesigned and has more "point" to it than the ER.

5. The DOK handle has a secondary hollow where the traction material sits and the ER had no secondary hollow.

Mongo writes, "the fact that the handle and blade now line up PROVES it's not a blatant rip-off of the ER folder. I mean, we have to overlook that everything else is the same" you sir now stand corrected okay?

Tom Krein: It's not a rip, it's an upgraded version based on customers wants, needs, and recommendations, got it?

swingshot: notice the changes now that I've brough a few to your attention?

NeedleRemorse: "That's a shameless ripoff...no way anyone can defend it."

I just did, its not a rip off, see above, it's an upgraded version based on customers wants and recommendations to Frank while with ER [ ER would never listen to customers or Franks recommendations while he was at the uSA helm, hence he saw the oportunity to produce something poeple generally took as very good and with their input, attempted to make it better ].

Now if you don't like it, for any reason, don't buy one. But look past those prejudices for a minute and maybe you guys could have seen the differences without having to have them pointed out by another.

You saw what you wanted to see based on your preconceived notion of the DOK Strato as a knockoff/ripoff of the ER MPC, no more or less.

Be objective in your critiques grasshoppers

Mines already on order and should arrive by the end of July. Can't wait to see and handle the upgrades as I was always of the impression the ER MPC was one of the toughest folders I have ever handled, yet needed some changes. Now those changes are available to me, and I for one am grateful that they are being made available.

Edited to add:

6. The DOK's are American made unlike the ER line

give me some time and I'll come up with a few more differences for those who need glasses :D

Brownie
 
Wow Brownie. "I just did, its not a rip off, see above, it's an upgraded version based on customers wants and recommendations."

So if I were to take a Spyderco Military, grind down the pocket clip a bit, remove the thumb serrations, and sell it as the entirely new brand and model called the Buzzbait Bin-Laden-Beheader without Spyderco's preapproval, I wouldn't be ripping off Sal and his years of work? You've gotta' be kidding me. You really need to open your eyes.

If it's originally an Extrema manufactured knife that has been heavily modified, Frank should advertise it at exactly that, giving Extrema the credit for the initial design and manufacture.

If Frank manufactured that knife, an obvious duplicate of the Extrema, with a few upgrades, and is selling it under his own brand name and model, then he's a crook.
 
While enjoying humorous prose I also have a deep fondness for folding prybars. I liked the ugly old MPC. I think the width of the blade with the thumbramp looked pretty utilitarian.

So I gather you like these better than the MPC?
 
The longer this goes on, the more it seems like Dark Ops is making it all up as it goes along.

The initial advertising was juvenile. The knives at a glance have the same style as ER, in whose universe DarkOps has positioned itself. Roll-out is piecemeal, poorly notified, and constantly shifting. Not real professional, not very reassuring. Too many missed opportunities.

These days, anyone can manufacture (or contract for) a good knife. Technology and experience are everywhere. A great knife? Getting peoples' attention requires more than getting them to laugh at you.

Frank showed a lot of class when he brought ER to BFC and supported the knives and his customers so well. I haven't heard from Frank all through this DarkOps fiasco. Is he still on board? Without him, I have zero confidence in the company.
 
Esav,

Did you have confidence in Frank while at ER or ER themselves? If it was based on Franks personality and his willingness to take care of problems for customers above and beyond what ER would have, then I would posture that your confidence should not be shaken by Franks absence here on this thread.

Buzzbait: Frank has not confirmed or denied publicly whether he has used the ER frame or redisigned his own from the ground up [ I have my own impressions about this but they are not gernmain to this discussion at this time, and are still only an opinion ].

Frank has never denied that the new DOK would be based on the ER line, with upgrades, based on customer imput while at ER. As such he has not misrepresented anything to anyone at the moment from all I can gather about the new DOK line.

Some repose like he is denying the ER lineage, he has not that I'm aware of.

And it boils down to this in the end: You liked the ER line and wanted upgraded features [ which you are about to be able to purchase ]

Or: you never liked the ER line and so the upgraded features are unimportant and other issues enter into the equation for you.

As to whether Frank should advertise the fact they are upgraded ER's, well it's not for me or you to say how he should advertise. I can tell you that just by looking at the DOK lineup initially, people can pretty much figure out for themselves they are loosely based on the ER line. If I'm Frank and paying for advertising lines by the word, do I need to state the obvious at my expense?

Brownie
 
Brownie,
It would seem to me that you would have to be the manufacturer of the original product in order to make the upgraded version....otherwise it is just a rip off!!!
No matter how bad Ford wants to upgrade its bronco into a blazer clone they can't ETHICALLY do that. What you are saying is that all this copying is O.K. as long as it is an upgrade? Come on...really. :confused:

Tom
 
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