DARK OPS Pics. PLEASE!!!!!

Will P. said:
Let me first say that I do not know the story behind Dark Ops, nor have I ever dealt with Mr. Miller. I am not passing any sort of judgement on either of them.

However, because of this thread and this thread , the following hypothesis seems plausible:
1. Mr. Miller aggressively builds ER's U.S. base.
2. Mr. Miller want to produce ER knives in the U.S., but ER has a problem with that.
3. Mr. Miller leaves with some leftover ER knives to use as DOK prototypes.

Once again, this may not be the way it happened. It is difficult to build a reputation - and Frank Miller seems to have a good reputation for customer service - but very easy to destroy one with a few mistakes.

So what does it matter if the knives are "stolen" in some abstract sense of the word? If DOK produces an adequate product, why should we not use it? The answer is simple: integrity. I would not really feel comfortable purchasing a knife from DOK without knowing the real story. Maybe that sounds naive, but integrity does matter.
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I doubt we'll ever know the true behind all rumors, but you (Will P.) seem to have taken my thoughts right outta' my head.
 
I can't comment on the man or his knives. But advertizing like this just makes me feel sick. It only gives a fresh ammunition supply to be used against all knives. I feel violated. If this is the way DOK chooses to hype their product, I hope they fail.

Paul
 
I have to agree with what PWork said. I personally don't know the man nor have I seen any of his knives, but the ad I saw in Blade magazine was pure rubbish to me. First thing I thought was yet another knife company using military images and alot of overblown hype just to make their overpriced knives look cool. :rolleyes:
 
Guys,
Years ago,(1980 I think) Arnold won his last Mr.O,it was NOT popular,(he also should NOT have won)he was boo'ed things were thrown on the stage etc.!! He was smiling backstage,smoking a big cigar & was asked,What do you think,the people hate you winning this . He said, Give me some time & all they will remember is I won!So scream ,stomp & swear they will sell.My opinion & mine only.Copying!!GET REAL,show me a MAKER that hasn't copied,how many have STOLEN the Spyderhole,how many have changed it just a little ,so they can say MINE is dif.How many have copied the liner lock,or BOWIES!! "IF",I see a Dark Ops,I will pick it up,ck.it out & if "I" think it can do what"I" want,I buy it.You "old" guys that are shooters,remember when GLOCK came out??Quite a few,make that a awful lot said,"IT'S" junk,not me,no wayer I'll buy that plastic crap!! Hmmm,wonder how many are carrying GLOCKS.Guess I'm with brownie on this one!!
Jim
 
Yeah, yeah, all knives are pretty much the same. But using an existing model as a prototype is clearly wrong. We aren't talking a design feature resemblance here. Look at the knives on the site. Do any of them have the much flaunted blood groove? Only the Fulcrum - oops, the Night Raven - has anything resembling a blood groove. The ad copy was written with a total separation from the product - a sort of disguise, perhaps, for the fact that these are ER knives. Of course, this is all hypothetical. But that's my beef with "copying" - i.e. theft in this case.

Kukri4302, your analogies to Arnold and to Glock are not very well thought out. One can dislike a person or product, but when someone lies to me with some bulls*** snowjob - operator this and American Hero that - it pisses me off. I would be surprised if the writer of DOK's website has ever held a gun. Contrast that with the Strider folks, who are exactly who and what they claim to be. It's all about integrity.

Maybe you and brownie might think that I am stupid or misguided. That is not something that is up for debate - I've said my piece and you can make what you will of it. Maybe DOK's product will be OK - ER knives are pretty good, after all. But there are a lot of good knives out there.

Edit: My two role models are Arnold and Harry Truman. :D
 
It's not the one single thing, it's the sum of the parts. If they made their own knife that was a tanto with a band breaker but it was different Rob's and wasn't called "raven." Then it would be OK. That's not what they did. The have a knife with a damn near identical blade profile and they used part of the same name. As for others using the Raven name, Ernest Emerson was using the Raven name since 1997 for the Raven folder. Rob's Raven is a field knife, fixed blade. There is no way that Rob and Ernie were taking business away from each other. I said it before. Rob was my friend. I would have stood by him in life and I still will.

Then we have a multitude of other issues. I was told 4 different stories over the course of the weekend at Blade. 2 of them by the same person. That means there were lies being told. Period. If the blades are really ER knives rehandled, that is another case of dishonesty. Then the marketing just sucks. That's not necessarily dishonesty, just stupidity. I've said my piece. Minds are made up and no amount of internet arguing will change that.
 
Who cares about the ad or the knives after reading this thread I'd like to hear more about the girl. Anyone got pics of her? Comeon with the details.
 
Manji said:
I'm going to have to agree with this, the marketing campaign they put out is horrible. First of all the name "Dark ops" sounds more like a video game or comic book rather then a knife you can trust your life with.
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To me, it sounded like the name of a Fury knife sold in an Atlanta Cutlery or Ranger Joe's catalog. You gotta love the writeups they give those things.

Someone quoted the DarkOps ad as saying something about "surgical-grade stainless steel"?

Hasn't it been discussed and settled that there is "no such thing" as "surgical steel" -- that it is a phantom entity and there is no actual steel with that appelation?

Blue skies,
-Jeffrey
 
Will,
Surely you jest??Never thought any such thing.We have dif. of opinion at times,that's all.Brownie & I fail to agree on a # of things but I still value his opinion & respect him.
Jim
 
This whole company has to be a bad, bad joke. The add copy that is overblown in every way. And it's not really funny, it's just disgusting. Even if the product turns out to be the best knife in the world it will probably take years for people to realize it because no one would pay money for that stuff. One of their knives is simply a rehandled ER, the blade is an exact copy. The lack of pictures until recently was very odd, like it was orchestrated.

No self respecting knife company would use "surgical stainless steel" in their add copy because everyone associates that with cheap chinese knockoffs. They talk about how their knives have been tested in combat yet this is a brand new company that can't even get a knife to a knife show? They invent a name and logo for their folders lock that is nothing more than a lock back? The way this company (if it's even real) is being run is Stupidity 101. It rhymes :)
 
Cargun said:
They talk about how their knives have been tested in combat yet this is a brand new company that can't even get a knife to a knife show? They invent a name and logo for their folders lock that is nothing more than a lock back? The way this company (if it's even real) is being run is Stupidity 101. It rhymes :)
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Cargon,
Maybe they are talking about ER knives when they say they have been tested in combat. :D

Tom
 
What happens when a gun manufacturer advertises a handgun as being designed for the need to slash through the mob?

How about if it has a handle is made of a low-durometer high tensile aramid composite that is impervious to...Al Qaeda bodily fluids?

Or if it is functionally designed to control blood spray in covert deanimation activities?

The DOK advertising campaign definitely sells these knives as intended weapons. What does the law say about intent?
 
I don't think the ads do say anything about "Surgical Stainless", I think that was originally brought up as a question. The ads mention some sort of proprietory wonder-steel.

I do find the ads repugnant, but if I'm gonna be repulsed by them, I'll be repulsed by what they actually say.
 
They suck, plain and simple...for what they're doing to one of Rob's designs (too damn close on too many counts!) as well as for the ad.
I skipped past it a few times as I thought it was another hydrastorm/blackhawk/otis gun cleaning ad.
I guess they give the Mall Ninjas and fake tough guys a rally point!

Maybe they'll come out with a collaboration with Cold Steel for the Grandmaster Mall of America commemorative edition.
 
FoxholeAtheist said:
I don't think the ads do say anything about "Surgical Stainless", I think that was originally brought up as a question. The ads mention some sort of proprietory wonder-steel.

I do find the ads repugnant, but if I'm gonna be repulsed by them, I'll be repulsed by what they actually say.
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From the Dark Ops Knives website...direct quote:

Dark-Ops Knives are made from a proprietary hybrid alloy of Chromium, Cobalt, Tungsten, Vanadium, and Molyb-denum with surgical grade stainless steel! :rolleyes: :rolleyes: CTV2 offers both strength and edge holding ability that is unrivaled! :yawn: Zone selective cryogenic hardening allows for medical grade :rolleyes: :rolleyes: edge sharpness while avoiding the brittleness of high Rockwell hardness!
 
In the UK such advertising of a product most certainly would be illegal and such knives thus as advertised for killing people are illegal to sell in the UK.

Disgusting advert and a disgustingly blatent rip off... All in all a disgusting company.

I hope they don't claim such knives are for the military only and they were playing ;) wink wink ;) ... :barf:
 
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