DARK OPS Pics. PLEASE!!!!!

I browsed through their website and had a good laugh reading all the Lynn Thompson-like hype. And just how much are these knives going to cost? Are they truly going to be affordable enough for the average soldier, airman, sailor or marine currently serving in Iraq/Afghanistan? Somehow, I think not.

It's a shame companies like DarkOps try to cash in during wartime by using military imagery and tactical mumbo-jumbo just to sell their felgercarb. Lame, truly lame. Knives for full on spec-ops combat. Oh, yeah! Hurry up you keyboard commandos, get yourselves a DORK-Ops knife. Please. :rolleyes:
 
If i was interested in the knives after reading the website there would be no-way anyone should buy from there. it embarrasing,
 
db said:
Who cares about the ad or the knives after reading this thread I'd like to hear more about the girl. Anyone got pics of her? Comeon with the details.
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Bwahahahahaha! As I was on about page 5 or 6, I thinking the same darn thing!
Everybody is getting their undies all bunched up over this. I refuse to buy this product due to my first impression of it's ad. Stupid. Irresponsible. Harmful to the knife community as a whole. All the rest is just added baggage.

Let's see a pic of Frank's daughter! :D
 
is there really NOONE on the forums at all who has seen these? do they exist? Why bother to go to all that trouble if you don't have a product to show -- are they saying that the "stolen" prototypes from the show were the ONLY knives they'd made?
 
i was in new orleans and i'll be go to hell if i could figure out how to eat a crawdad :confused:

this one waiter just broke the tail off and sucked it out :eek:

another one broke it off and just pushed the meat out with her thumb :p

now i'll tell you what... these crawdads were the scrawneist lil dads i have ever seen!

here in idaho the crawdads grow to about the size of lobsters :cool:

serious question, do you think i should continue with the dads or just say screw it and move on to maine lobsters???? :confused:
 
:( Not crazy about some of the ad/website content in that as alresdy has been mentioned...it reminds me of all the "assault weapon" advertisements in the early to mid 80's (just before several states and the feds began the process of banning/restricting so many fine firearms) and I recall several conversations with friends about how if we allow ourselves to get caught up in the advertising hype, we would all get bitten in the butt. :grumpy:

That said...Frank and company have every right to advertise the way they wish...Just that it worries me to some degree. However, there are other companies that use certain "ops" type names/jargon to sell blades and equipment. Just seems that this has been taken up several notches.

As to Franks "theft" of design, etc... I have heard that certain agreements were made by both parties and that our Italian brethern were the first to fracture said agreements. If that is true...Frank may have every right to make the moves that he has made... ;)

That said...It would be good for our collective minds if Frank and ER would clear this up but they may be watching for the "first move" so to speak.

All the best,

Stuart
 
While we are de-bunking the "Surgical Stainless" myth, (Myth? But Frost uses that same stuff on the Home Shopping Channel) let's hit the "Blood Groove" myth too.
There are no blood grooves on real knives, like the KBar and the Marbles Ideal. It is called a Fuller. Its purpose is to lighten up the blade without giving away strength. The princepal is the same as an I beam. First used on swords in the days of yore.

Any time I hear Surgical Steel or Blood Groove it sets off alarms.
 
bob bowie said:
Maybe, but the only thing Strider had in common with Ek were the cord-wrapped handles. Extrema Ratio copied Strider's look quite a bit, and timed their entrance to the cutlery market to coincide with Strider's rise up the industry ladder.

The way I look at it, you've got two turds(Extrema Ratio and Dark Ops). No need to argue over which one smells worse, cause in the end, they both Stink.
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Hey Bob Bowie,
I love Ek knives, been a collector since I was 13... I love strider knives... they took the Ek and made it stronger... there's a lot that's the same, and there's a lot that's different... The blade geometry, extended tangs, grips... yet, neither maker is upset with the other, nor are their knives in direct competition with the other.

What I'm saying is that many makers embrace the accomplishments of their predecessors and the knives should be judged upon their own merit. I know nothing about Dark Ops knives cause I never seen one in person. I have seen ER knives and think that they are about the ugliest things I ever had the misfortune of handling. Both makers have some serious issues with marketing bullsh*t but beyond that, personal insults against Frank Miller and ER isn't helping the issue.

We've lost the spirit of community and comraderie that begat the knife industry. From what I've read about men like John Ek and Bo Randall, I can imagine them going up to Mick Strider and Mike Stewart, and even possibly Frank Miller and saying "Gee, that's a nice knife... if you want, why don't you try this, and that, like I've done on mine". From what I've seen, Randall made (Ek and Randall, I feel, were cut from the same cloth) has included a page in their catalog which describes how to make their knives and invites others to do the same. Bo Randall never failed to let others know that he was inspired by Bill Scagel and that his knives bear a striking resemblence.

yes, both makers have been less than stellar in the way their marketing has hit the US market, but that's an issue for the both of them and we're taking it a little too far as consumers to take sides in the issue.
 
I've got no problem with parallel design features, even outright copying, etc as long as it is o.k.ed by the original designers/makers. But Extrema Ratio blind-sided the Strider guys, and now ER is having the same thing done to them by Dark Ops. So, I have no pity for them. That's all, nothing more, nothing less.
 
Yes, bobby, you said it best when you wrote... "No need to argue over which one smells worse, cause in the end, they both Stink."
 
bob bowie said:
But Extrema Ratio blind-sided the Strider guys,
Bob Bowie, could you please describe/ explain how they blind-sided them? I don't wanna stir nothin' up... I like Strider and Extrema Ratio, but can somebody please post some comp. pics like earlier in this thread; comparing ER's models and the Strider's they are derived/copied/ripped-off/whatever, or some typed description of the models or whatever was copied from Strider. I have heard this before, but It's not clear to me which models everyone is talkin' 'bout when they say this. I'm confused, not tryin' to be like, "Prove it" or anything like that. Thanks in advance :)
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I think people mistakingly take the idea that once someone attains a certain market share, that they are entitled to it without competition or the risk of losing it.
 
MelancholyMutt said:
I think people mistakingly take the idea that once someone attains a certain market share, that they are entitled to it without competition or the risk of losing it.
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Even though I like ER, I don't they could be considered competiton for Strider... IMO :)
 
Www.ikariya.com/shop/images/ .
Edit, This link does want to work, It was one of the flat sided ER's..
www.striderknives.com/html/main/html (scroll to the bottom) .

The top model was one of the the first ER models introduced to the US. Now, compare it to some of the Strider models, granted there are differences, but there are a lot of similaries also.

Also you have to look at the time shows up on the scene:

1) Strider is really getting popular.
2) Strider and Buck start introducing production models which were becoming popular.
3) Strider, Simonich, etc... have a hit on their hands with the tiger-striping. Extrema Ratio copies that.

Granted, this might look silly to some, but it smacks of company trying to get rich off the hard work of others.
 
Mentioned it before but the S+W company is also using the tiger stripes on some of their knives.

Brownie
 
Yes, and I won't buy Smith & Wesson licensed Taylor Cutlery products anymore, because they've shown themselves time and time again to be sleazy. I don't care how another man spends his money, just don't expected me to be silent about certain companies scuzzy anthics.
 
bob bowie:

I don't expect you to be quiet about it, just don't expect everyone else to think along the same lines as well Bob.

I used to work with S+W as an adjunct instructor and even then I would not carry their line of knives as they are the low end of the spectrum for me personally. Yet, many many cops will carry their line of knives due to price point and name recognition and I don't believe their line is suffering all that greatly with peoples concerns about their taking anothers idea and running with it.

BTW--Is it ethically wrong or criminally wrong in your mind there Dave? I ask as someone surely had g-10, beadblasted folders before strider and that would of course mean the strider boys copied someone elses idea.

Again, I'll ask, how far you willing to take the thought process. Perhaps we should rag on strider for their use of g-10, titanium framed folders, and beadblast finishs as well as they were not the originators of those features right? They copied someone elses idea as well no?

Someone before stridfer had the idea of clips on their folders, someone had beadblast finishes before, someone had titanium in use before, someone had g-10 in use before, someone had an opening hole before them as well.

Seems to me that if we take your criteria for bad mouthing a company for stealing others thoughts and product peculiaraities, materials, we'd be left with only the original makers products as all else would be copying them thereafter, no?

See, it can be taken to the point of being ridiculous to think all else who come after the originators design parameters and materials/products are somehow stealing from them.

How about the first knapped flint knife that had a useable edge made by some caveman?, we gonna then not ever buy anothers knife cause it has an edge and point like his as those who came after the stoneage man are ripping off his "original" design of an edge and point?

Please!!!!!!!!!!!

Brownie
 
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