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TheSkinwalkeR, you are the man. 
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DARK OPS Pics. PLEASE!!!!!
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lmoa! thats an awesome deanimation blade you got thereTheSkinwalkeR said:
The Bladeshape is utility...or at least utility for deanimation purposes.
we got the "RaptorLokTM , a self cleansing double talon locking system "
Since no info was given I had to gues what a raptor lock was...a raptor claw wich might grip the thumbstuds holding the blade open using the "entire length of the knife"
we got the "Quartz impregnated inserts provide extreme circumstances grip enhancement and are replaceable should decontamination be required."
we got the ever popular "Strategically placed blood grooves control blood spray in covert deanimation activities.":
but I hear they are effective in non-covert deanimation as well...good news.
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Just wanna say, I dont mean to be knockin on Frank. I havent ever delt with him but I read some of his posts and he seemed to be great with providing customer service for ER. It just....well....the hype he has lumped onto this new line kinda lends itself to be made fun of. But not out of malice....all in good fun.
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I fear thats what they really look like.
Jerry better watch out I bet that CV3IVZ steel will cut right through...well on second thought I will not say it.
BTW if you are haveing pics taken of your knives,wouldn't you want the sheaths pictured with them?
Jerry better watch out I bet that CV3IVZ steel will cut right through...well on second thought I will not say it.
BTW if you are haveing pics taken of your knives,wouldn't you want the sheaths pictured with them?
I saw the ads and didn't even read them. Instant turnoff. Won't buy those blades.
That type of knife marketing will kill or restrict the knife business and our hobby.
It's disgusting, unwanted, unneeded. I don't wish this business any success; I hope it disappears.
When it comes to the stolen knives, maybe the company's karma bit them in the ass.
That type of knife marketing will kill or restrict the knife business and our hobby.
It's disgusting, unwanted, unneeded. I don't wish this business any success; I hope it disappears.
When it comes to the stolen knives, maybe the company's karma bit them in the ass.
whether the knives are made of ultra-high-density-titanium with dog sh#t blade coatings, were abducted by aliens or stolen, yes he got lots of looks & talk. Remember that other highly touted bomb of a product that had the ENTIRE internet abuzz for weeks, was announced, heraled, pumped up and then shown to the public, only to scratch our collective heads? The Segway scooter. Where's it now?
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FoxholeAtheist said:
Sorry about that. When I first read the ad I thought the same as most here what a load of silly crap. But then I reread it a couple of times. There are many companys that make knives that are more or less only made to kill people (or a large part of there knife line fits into that group). Lets be honest about it, that is why they are made and that it what they are sometimes used for. For the most part they do not present there product like that to the general public. At least say self defense in the ad. There have been way to many examples of countries around the world passing insane knife laws lately for ads like this to get any support. Think how the ad would read if instead of saying "covert deanimation" it said "when you are sneaking around and killing people". The anti knife groups would love that. Here is a idea. Show a picture of the knife. That one act alone would tell me the use (more of less) for the knife, much more so then everything that was written in that ad, Give real info on the steel etc. I respect Frank for how he handled his duties here at the forums before. He seemed like a stand up and level headed guy, and I am not saying that he isn't now, but this ad is a bit much for me. If someone needs, or just wants, knives like these then they will get them. I guess ads like this do target a certain market sadly. Sorry about the rant guys I know that there are others that are guilty of ads like this and I am not trying to just single out this new line. Just struck me when I read it, all of this is just my 2 cents. Thanks
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If I remember correctly, there were partial photographs in that ad in Blade, right? I seem to recall seeing part of a blade spine or something like that... a little "teaser" shot or two. Maybe they just didn't have the knives assembled yet...
Please correct me if I'm wrong.
Regardless, this whole thing seems silly. I mean, these guys embark upon perhaps the most ridiculous ad campaign in the modern history of knives, show up at a show to debut their products without their products, tell people about shipping company problems involving not one but two seperate carriers, then tell folks that the only "Dark Op" knives in existence were stolen en-route.
Talk about a comedy of errors...
But if the knives were indeed stolen after they had been photographed, then at least we'll still be able to see the pics, right? After all, those pics would help the public identify and potentially recover these stolen knives.
Well I'm here to help. Show me the pictures.
Please correct me if I'm wrong.
Regardless, this whole thing seems silly. I mean, these guys embark upon perhaps the most ridiculous ad campaign in the modern history of knives, show up at a show to debut their products without their products, tell people about shipping company problems involving not one but two seperate carriers, then tell folks that the only "Dark Op" knives in existence were stolen en-route.
Talk about a comedy of errors...
But if the knives were indeed stolen after they had been photographed, then at least we'll still be able to see the pics, right? After all, those pics would help the public identify and potentially recover these stolen knives.
Well I'm here to help. Show me the pictures.
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Perhaps each knife should come with a portable, tactical wet-dry vac?
Seriously, it boils down to this:
1) Ads and promotions that are without a doubt, insulting to anybody with a brain.
2) Frank may be a good guy, but showed VERY poor judgment in allowing this sort of ad campaign.
3) Its exactly this sort of image the knife industry needs to avoid.
4) As was pointed out, god help you if you ever use a DarkOp knife in self defense, a prosecutor never had it so easy.
5) Dumb, dumb, dumb.
Seriously, it boils down to this:
1) Ads and promotions that are without a doubt, insulting to anybody with a brain.
2) Frank may be a good guy, but showed VERY poor judgment in allowing this sort of ad campaign.
3) Its exactly this sort of image the knife industry needs to avoid.
4) As was pointed out, god help you if you ever use a DarkOp knife in self defense, a prosecutor never had it so easy.
5) Dumb, dumb, dumb.
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Regardless, this whole thing seems silly. I mean, these guys embark upon perhaps the most ridiculous ad campaign in the modern history of knives, show up at a show to debut their products without their products, tell people about shipping company problems involving not one but two seperate carriers, then tell folks that the only "Dark Op" knives in existence were stolen en-route.
Translation:
The Dark Ops guys have probably received some well deserved negative feedback on their Blade Magazine ads.
Rather, then go forward with what is already a seriously damaged brand they may have decided to let it die quitely.
So, instead of presenting the knives, they pull the prototypes from Blade and will perhaps reintroduce them under a different name and brand at some future date.
We have probably heard the last of Dark Ops Knives.
Goodbye, and good riddance.
n2s
Translation:
The Dark Ops guys have probably received some well deserved negative feedback on their Blade Magazine ads.
Rather, then go forward with what is already a seriously damaged brand they may have decided to let it die quitely.
So, instead of presenting the knives, they pull the prototypes from Blade and will perhaps reintroduce them under a different name and brand at some future date.
We have probably heard the last of Dark Ops Knives.
Goodbye, and good riddance.
n2s
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One of the guys at the booth said something about selling me one at a Show Price if I understood him right.
Their whole booth and people at the booth just looked hoaky to me.Really the first thing that crossed my mind was,another Busse or Stryder wantabe.
Is there any way to let Fed x and UPS now about the story they are telling?
Maybe email the Discovery channel and ask if they ever heard of them.
Their whole booth and people at the booth just looked hoaky to me.Really the first thing that crossed my mind was,another Busse or Stryder wantabe.
Is there any way to let Fed x and UPS now about the story they are telling?
Maybe email the Discovery channel and ask if they ever heard of them.
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Their web site seems a bit the same, looks to me like that they are targeting the juvenile market. Haven't read so much dribble in a long time, but I'm sure that every kid that went to their site would want a "Dark Ops" in their school bag.
Maybe McDonalds can give one away to the kiddies with any purchase of a Big Mac and Fries??
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"These kinds of ads from any maker make it very hard to overcome the bad image that most people have of knife nuts."
The major shortcoming of this marketing campaign is the inaccurate view of knives that the advertisers give. Hollywood, et al. give the public this "weapon of violence" view of knives which we all know is jilted. For a knife company to go and lend credence to the public's pre-existing misconception is a death knell to all of us who know and use knives as the beneficial tools that they are.
The major shortcoming of this marketing campaign is the inaccurate view of knives that the advertisers give. Hollywood, et al. give the public this "weapon of violence" view of knives which we all know is jilted. For a knife company to go and lend credence to the public's pre-existing misconception is a death knell to all of us who know and use knives as the beneficial tools that they are.
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Yes, lets all banish every maker who has anything to do with advertising and marketing "tactical" knives in lieu of 'tools", they are so bad for the industry image don't cha know?
Lets see, we have to include Striders and Emersons in these types of knives, after all they do market their products to the military types as well. Made with the soldier in mind whose job may be to kill another with their "tactical" products, and of course advertised that way for us civilians.
Everyone [ civilians ] needs to throw their Emersons and Striders in the trash in discust for their blatant advertising of their products as knives for the true professional soldier. They have no business advertising in the civilian market and marketing their products with such claims of military tuff to civilians after all right?
Now, lets see how many rag on those two companies and boycott their products from further purchase based on their own ad copy here.
Same tactics, different wording of the ads with the same message and bad image creating for all us people who carry a knife daily.
Please, the funk is getting thick here without much forethought about others marketing to the same drummer and being well recieved by the buying public.
The ads may have been somewhat over the top, no question there, but lets not forget other companies market their products the same way "tactically" for use in self defense. From some of the comments one would think anything with a "tactical" flavor to it should be shunned. I don't see that happening now or in the future.
Oh yes, one more point here----------How many people have bought and carry a Strider or Emerson knife based on their ad copy that they are ruggedly built with the military in mind and not as a tool to cut the string off a package?
Thought so,
Lets all be politically correct and try not to offend anyones senses of a knife potentially being used or designed and built around the possibility it may be used for self defense of ones person. Lets all go out and buy swiss army knifes in lieu of anything that has that smell of military or tactical to it. Ya, thats the idea, lets all become PC and stop the nonesense of potentially buying something with personal defense in mind. Oh, thats right, we can't even use a swiss army knife can we? It has that "military" stigma attached it it.
Brownie
Lets see, we have to include Striders and Emersons in these types of knives, after all they do market their products to the military types as well. Made with the soldier in mind whose job may be to kill another with their "tactical" products, and of course advertised that way for us civilians.
Everyone [ civilians ] needs to throw their Emersons and Striders in the trash in discust for their blatant advertising of their products as knives for the true professional soldier. They have no business advertising in the civilian market and marketing their products with such claims of military tuff to civilians after all right?
Now, lets see how many rag on those two companies and boycott their products from further purchase based on their own ad copy here.
Same tactics, different wording of the ads with the same message and bad image creating for all us people who carry a knife daily.
Please, the funk is getting thick here without much forethought about others marketing to the same drummer and being well recieved by the buying public.
The ads may have been somewhat over the top, no question there, but lets not forget other companies market their products the same way "tactically" for use in self defense. From some of the comments one would think anything with a "tactical" flavor to it should be shunned. I don't see that happening now or in the future.
Oh yes, one more point here----------How many people have bought and carry a Strider or Emerson knife based on their ad copy that they are ruggedly built with the military in mind and not as a tool to cut the string off a package?
Thought so,
Lets all be politically correct and try not to offend anyones senses of a knife potentially being used or designed and built around the possibility it may be used for self defense of ones person. Lets all go out and buy swiss army knifes in lieu of anything that has that smell of military or tactical to it. Ya, thats the idea, lets all become PC and stop the nonesense of potentially buying something with personal defense in mind. Oh, thats right, we can't even use a swiss army knife can we? It has that "military" stigma attached it it.
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I have to disagree here brownie.
1. No one has said to banish anyone, just that it was an unwise decision to market their knives in such a way.
2. Emesron and Strider hve never blatantly used copy such as "deanimation" or "killing" or "offing" or anything to that end. Yes they market to soldiers and such but the highlight is geared toward hard use (i.e. as if it's the only tool available for the job) in which case a fairly responsible ad tactic.
3. No one has told anyone here how to feel, or what not to buy.
4. I wouldn't rag on other companies because they are not the ones using irresponsible ad copy.
5.similar tactics, different focus on those ads.
6. I think you presume too much about others' forethought concerning this.
7.8.9. self defense is a far cry from being concerned with "blood spray in covert deanimation activities"
If I could afford a Strider I would buy one, not because of their marketing, but because of their designs. I don't think the individuals you are addressing are as impressionable as you imply.
1. No one has said to banish anyone, just that it was an unwise decision to market their knives in such a way.
2. Emesron and Strider hve never blatantly used copy such as "deanimation" or "killing" or "offing" or anything to that end. Yes they market to soldiers and such but the highlight is geared toward hard use (i.e. as if it's the only tool available for the job) in which case a fairly responsible ad tactic.
3. No one has told anyone here how to feel, or what not to buy.
4. I wouldn't rag on other companies because they are not the ones using irresponsible ad copy.
5.similar tactics, different focus on those ads.
6. I think you presume too much about others' forethought concerning this.
7.8.9. self defense is a far cry from being concerned with "blood spray in covert deanimation activities"
If I could afford a Strider I would buy one, not because of their marketing, but because of their designs. I don't think the individuals you are addressing are as impressionable as you imply.