DARK OPS Pics. PLEASE!!!!!

Lets see, we have to include Striders and Emersons in these types of knives, after all they do market their products to the military types as well.

The "military types" use their knives 99.99999% of the time for utilitarian purposes. These companies are honestly marketing reliable field tools. Dark Ops is marketing assassination devices to people, who are too ignorant or immature, to realize that military "deanimation" during the last hundred years has been acomplished with firearms, artillery, bombs, and guided weapons. The removal of sentries with sharp knives is a hollywood creation. Knives are sometimes used in self defense by deperate men, much as sticks and stones, and other objects at hand might be; but, it is an act of desparation and hardly a practical military tactic.

n2s
 
military "deanimation" during the last hundred years has been acomplished with firearms, artillery, bombs, and guided weapons
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I think this is mostly true but I had a nieghbor,passed away last year,that had 78 confirmed kills in Vietnam over 1/2 being with a knife.
 
Brownie0486 - I think you must be falling over the edge. When was the last time you heard anybody in the military complain that their blood groove wasn't groovy enough? What Dark-Ops has is not really a marketing campaign; it's just blatant sensationalism. You may fall for this type of advertising, but the intelligent part of the knife community is literally offended by it, which is a pretty big achievement. It benefits nobody except mall ninjas and Dark-Ops.

All Dark-Ops has accomplished thus far is to give ammunition to the people who wish to put them out of business. Not only have they hurt themselves, but they’ve hurt the knife community as a whole. I’m not saying that people should not be allowed to market weapons of self-defense, but a certain amount of discretion is required. Printing such highly inflammatory marketing rubbish is utterly irresponsible.
 
Buzz:

I agree the ads were certainly over the top [ from what I have heard of them, as I still haven't seen the ad copy ].

Personally, I could care less about their ads and marketing, I'm waiting to handle one of the MPC type DOK as soon as possible. The MPC is the most rugged folder I have held, if the model that represents the same features from DOK is as good or better, I'll be carying one as soon as they are available.

Similiar to what CS does with their advertising and claims where people are turned off to the product. I see no reason not to own or carry a CS knife due to their opinions of others or their ad copy no matter how outrageous the claims get over the top.

People are confusing the potential ramifications about their [ DOK ] ad copy with actual case history to date. If and when the day comes when a prosecutor has a field day based on the ad copy on a defendant in a legitimate self defense use with a DOK knife, thats when it becomes reality.

The chances of one carrying a DOK, then using it for self defense where it is confiscated, used at trial, and shown through their ad copy of that product to be nothing more than a killing tool, and the inference and instructions to the jury are such that the persons legitimate actions of self defense are taken into account as to guilt or innocence instead of the knifes name or ad copy, then one may be able to show a cause and effect where the ad copy was detrimental to their outcome with laypeople in a court of law.

That would also mean that the defendant had hired the wrong atty for such case as any good lawyer will establish the facts of the case of self defense with a legitimate folding knife under the local statute [ assuming of course the carrying of such a knife was within the letter of the law to begin with or else all bets are off ].

Companies change their ads all the time for various reasons. If DOK went over the top on their first ads, it is not necesaarily an indication that they knives will continue to be thrust outto the general public the same way in the future.

5 years from now, that ad copy won't be very easily found from old rags ads by any DA without some serious research on their part. They would almost have to be directed to it to find it the longer it goes between the ads and the court action.

Blood grooves on a knife are for the most part useless to begin with and for the most part have always been hyped for something they really do not accomplish in the real world to begin with.

Unless the DA could state to the jury through evidence that some mall ninja spent 250-300.00 based on ad copy to go out and commit this particular crime, there is not going to be any cause and effect established relative mindset on the part of the defendant when the action ocurred.

I'm interested in the knives that become available, I make it a point to note the ad copy of various knives but my decision on the knifes performance/appeal is solely based in hands on with any product. Time will tell if these knives are marketed for the mall ninjas [ who for the most part don't spend 300.00 on a folder ] and are junk or if they are serious tools to rely on.

Thats the real test of the companies products, not the hype most use to one extent or the other to promote their products to as varied group of buyers as possible.

I'm somewhat surprised that Frank let the ads read the way that people are relating, but then it is his company to do with as he wishes. Who am I to say he's right or wrong, I'm not the one with thousands invested in this new venture, he is.

To deny yourself the opportunity to potentially possess a truly rugged dependable folder based on hyped ad copy seems as much over the top as the ads themselves to my thinking.

I'm taking the wait and see approach here. If the knives are rugged, solidly built uber tanks of good materials as I suspect they are at the moment, I'll be in line for one of the first delivered.

I miss the MPC and have waited some time for Frank to get this venture off the ground so that I may purchase one of his new models thats similiar as the MPC continues to be the most rugged folder I have ever owned. That sense of dependability outweighs any ad copy fopah that may have been made.

Brownie
 
Just because I'm to lazy to re-type my quotes from another forum...

"Not a single pic, anywhere?? Not during the prototyping stage, the getting ready for Blade stage, the "Hey, I think I'll throw one in my checked bagage" stage??

Odd, if I developed a new line of knives, I would, at the very least, have a photo or two!??

Looking past the horrible ad copy on the website and the possibility of the Dark Ops series being a product improved version of the ER brand...the benefit of the doubt remains...show us the knives already!!"

And then..."I have an MPC and I think it rocks.

I'll withhold further comments and my thoughts on ER and Dark Op's and a post on <edited:this> forum regarding their relationship and reasons for parting.

Things just seem to be getting weirder and weirder by the minute.

Frank...care to comment on any of the details on this thread?"
 
Just for arguments sake lets get past all the "mall ninja BS". The product descriptions are just as full of BS and there were just too many coincidents with the products not getting to Blade Show. ALSO, WHERE ARE THE PICTURES!

Tom
 
Just got off the phone with Frank again this morning.

The pics will be available first on his website in the next couple of weeks, these are professional pics, not snapshots. The catalogues with the pics will be available from Frank within a month as well.

As well, I'm told they will have a "DOK hellfire" flashlight in their catalogue.

First orders should ship sometime in August 04 to dealers. Frank informs that he has several dozen dealers lined up from Blade and waiting to take delivery when they begin shipping. Seems the dealers have no issues with the ad copy, and in fact he has had people who are just as adamant about the ads positively being funny and eye catching, as has been posted here by others negatively.

Looking forward to getting mine and seeing the website phots as well in a short time.

No. I'm not connected with DOK or frank in anyway in case some of you were beginning to wonder. I post what I post on this thread as my own feelings about the product line we are about to see shortly, based on discussions with Frank and his reputation while with the other company [ past experience relative his character ].

So, in a month or so, we should be able to order a knife from Frank or one of the dealers who will carry the lineup, be able to see the photos on the website, take delivery of his catalogue with high res pics of the various models and be able to further explore the knifes ergos and determine for ourselves if his product line lives up to what it is expected to be.

I did find out that the MPC like folder is named the "Stratofighter", thats the one I'll be taking delivery of when they become available.


Brownie
 
Check their website at http://www.darkopsknives.com/about.html

Frank and his team have worked hard the last few days to meet the demands for photos of the blades [ fixed only for now ] and they are up on the website at this time for everyones review.

These are not the final pics that will be on the site but are good enough for most to get an idea of the product line of fixed blades for the time being.

I like the BASAL Shadow and the Interceptor 911 blades from the initial pics posted on the site at this time.

Thought everyone who was clamoring for pics could take a look see at this time.

Brownie
 
Nice -- Like the looks and improvements, but I think the Shadow is supposed to have a bone/band breaker, not for sure though.
 
I like em. I am happy to see they arnt too reminicent of Extrema Ratio. The photos are nice and the lighting in them is very cool (kinda like a setup one of the stirder photographers use). They arnt my style, kinda like ER wasn't, but they look like functional and well built deanimation knives. The handles seem to be where the focus of most of his requests from ER customers. I figure this since the handle seem much improved and more ergonomic...sweet pommel. (but is it a glass breaker or terrorist skull shattering death spike of eternal torment?) I can't say I am diggin on them serrations though, I like serrations well enough, but particular patterns.

All in all, they are much better than my nightmarish facimilie I jokingly drew.

On a side note, I am planing to selling the mock-design to M-tech or Frost. Hopefully you'll see the "De-Animator 911" coming soon to a purveyer of inferior cutlery near you. It will be a favorite of mall ninjas, mall samurais and mall commandos alike. Even those who only had the gaul to sign up for the mall combat reserve will no doubt be all over this design. The newly revamped blood groove now converts normal blood-spray to a fine atomized mist which cools both the attacker and assailant on those hot summer covert deanimation missions.

Anywho....I am very much looking forward to the folders. I hope Frank doesnt take the ribbing we are giving his ad copy too harshly. It is definatly a testamate to his service skills that people come out and defend him after such a mishap ridden launch. And thanks to him for answering the voice of the people by posting pics.
 
Brownie you keep saying that you are declining to comment on the ad copy "I agree the ads were certainly over the top [ from what I have heard of them, as I still haven't seen the ad copy ]." while complaining to us that we're uninformed. You then link to the very web site containing the juvenile ad copy in question. Tell you what, why don't you inform yourself as to what the ad copy says (I won't provide the link, you've already got it) and then come back and discuss it with us.

"People are confusing the potential ramifications about their [ DOK ] ad copy with actual case history to date. If and when the day comes when a prosecutor has a field day based on the ad copy on a defendant in a legitimate self defense use with a DOK knife, thats when it becomes reality."

Little lesson in inductive reasoning here.

1. Prosecutors have been known to use provocative ad copy against defendants.
2. DOK has provocative ad copy.
3. Prosecutors will use DOK's provocative ad copy against defendants.

The reality of the situation is that prosecutors have, in the past, used similar ad copy including just the "military sounding" names of products to paint defendants in a negative light. Unless you can show me some evidence that prosecutors have agreed not to use DarkOps' ad copy in their trials, I'll continue to consider this as a potential issue when considering purchasing one of their knives, just as I would consider other issues that might come up if I had to use one of their knives for self-defense (i.e. the practical concerns of whether the knife will function properly for that role.)
 
Is there going to be a model named the Spleen Ripper? Reason I ask is because I do a lot of that lately. :rolleyes:
 
Danbo said:
Is there going to be a model named the Spleen Ripper? Reason I ask is because I do a lot of that lately. :rolleyes:
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I hear that model's comming out right after The Tactical Taint Tearer.

It's a theme thing.
 
FoxholeAtheist, play nice. Ya wanna kid about the funky ad copy, go right ahead. But Brownie's talking about the knives and the company, not trying to drag down some other knife knut's reputation. Show the man a little mutual courtesy. He wasn't flaming you.

As far as what a prosecutor could do in court, Brownie already answered that. I doubt you have half his experience dealing with the legal issues involved.
 
bob bowie said:
I hear that model's comming out right after The Tactical Taint Tearer.

It's a theme thing.
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hehhehhehehhehehehhe......

oh the terrors of the tactically torn taint......oh the blood spray!
 
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