Dave Canterbury posted an apology vid on his channel.

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Brian Andrews said:
...I am not in the love him or hate him camp. I just think people judge and hate too quickly, and it is to their own detriment.
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You mean like everyone over at BCUSA that lost their minds when he was first selected to do DS?

That was memorable!

…general/beginner skills...
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Taking the opportunity to actually read the manual might open your eyes.
 
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tobii3 said:
Ulfhedinn said:
I'm not seeing the Cody Lundin videos on YouTube, for instance.
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You won't. There's no money in it for him.

24 hour class at his school? $400- $600

A weeklong course? $2,200 - $2,800
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Aye, my point.
So a guy does it for free. Makes free videos, and does a show on TV that nobody paid any more for than they paid to get Discovery and the rest of the channels in their package, but he's the scumbag....

Rick Marchand said:
Dave taught OTHER INSTRUCTOR's skills for the most part. That was one of the the things that bothered me from the get go.
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So does pretty much every other instructor. I doubt that there's much to do with wilderness survival and living that wasn't previously discovered and taught.
Nice thing about people teaching the same things as other instructors do, is everyone puts a little spin on it. Maybe I just don't "get it" from the Official Approved Source,but watching some guy on YT may make it "click" because he shows something just a little different that works better for me (or for my environment -- the horrible plagiarizer may live in an environment that the Official Approved Source).

I don't know about others, but I watch a lot of YT channels. I suppose they are all dirtbags because they choose to teach things that others charge money for?
Should I stop watching the Colhane YT channel because he teaches the same machete skills that, say, Jeff Randall charges for? Is Colhane a scumbag too, or is he one of your buds, so it's OK? I'll go ahead and contend that he's not a scumbag, just to be on the record.

Magnaminous_G said:
People are discounting him because he's a lying scumbag who stole valor from Army Rangers and took food out of the mouths of widows and orphans whose fathers actually earned that right.
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Each man earns his own valor, and no one can take it away. The rest is hyperbolic melodrama, but it sounds exciting.


Magnaminous_G said:
I guess I'm the exact opposite. Whenever I'm talking to a learned, experienced, highly educated person who is a expert in his field, I perk up and listen to him because he might know what he's talking about and might have something to teach me. Whenever I'm talking to someone who is "self-taught," I might praise him or keep a sly eye on him, depending on the circumstances. If he taught himself to extract his own teeth, I'd praise him. If wants my money and tries to get me to pay him to extract *my* teeth, then I've got a problem. Hence I don't take my car to self-taught mechanics. And hence when my tooth hurts, I don't go to self-taught dentists. But all this is beside the point. No one is discounting Dave Canterbury because he's self-taught. People are discounting him because he's a lying scumbag who stole valor from Army Rangers and took food out of the mouths of widows and orphans whose fathers actually earned that right.
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Better example is someone offering to fix your car for the price of the parts after you've seen him fix the same make and model car several times before.

The rest is, again, hyperbolic melodrama.


Magnaminous_G said:
If you've researched this and read all the evidence against him, you'll see that he was lying for years before Discovery came along. No one forced him to. He's always done it. And always for the same reason: to create an image so he can scam people out of money. And it was always a big, fat lie.
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I've seen him claim to be in the Army before.
I've seen him say he was a scout. Presuming, it was in the Army, I took it to mean ground reconnaissance, since it's the Marines that call snipers Scout/Sniper, and he said he was in the Army,so that would indicate ground recon. He said he models his "pathfinder" ideal after the military term, not the American Aborigine term. Again, Indicating ground recon. Not to be confused with USMC Recon which is a SOCOM unit.

Scam people out of money? I've never heard a bad review of his actual classes.
His book is amateurish I admit, but I've met a lot of people who would have failed any 100-level Technical Writing course I've seen (or taught).
His show? No one paid more to get DS than they did to get the channel package that had Discovery on it.
YouTube videos -- free.
His store isn't higher than the normal rate at most stores. Better deal can be found, but you risk losing money ordering from multiple sources, and his are lower for some items than most other stores. So, not a rip off, just average.

If you don't like him, you don't like him. But the sheer vitriol people spew at him seems rather strange since they don't do the same for others equally, or more, deserving of such due to their actions and behavior. Might want to step back and take a look at how you look because of your reaction.
 
Every survival guru, past and present, has his fanbois. And people who can't stand him for one reason or another. Except CN.
 
Brian Andrews said:
I understand the DVD thing. But the YT example seemed pretty cut and dry.
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Try to find early DC videos, Brian. He removed most of them when folks jumped on him. Just like he removed the comments from his apology video after 3 critical replies. Trying to recall the other users he copied is proving quite difficult, too. There is little you can do when someone edits their own past. I could link to folks who did the searching, but when evidence has been "removed by user", what's the use?

I should have stayed out of it... but reading statements like "everyone makes mistakes" and "look how honourable he is" makes my skin crawl. These people know Dave from DS and late Youtube videos. They didn't know him when he had all of 4 videos up and was making rookie errors on simple concepts like blanket pins and knife use. This isn't a guy who established a skill set and ran it through the test of time filter. He learned on the fly and spewed methods before he even understood them. His gun-ho, dig-in attitude is a blessing and a curse and I truly believe he has gambled with the wellfare of others while trying to make a name for himself.

I urge you to look deeper than what he happens to be apologizing for at the moment. This has been going on for 6yrs.

I will try to stay out of it in the future... because Brian is right... I look like someone who has a chip on their shoulder rather than a backpack of evidence. Thank you for pointing that out.

I can totally understand the DC tolerance limit. DC is very polarizing and people either seem to love or hate him. If you are really, really at your limit, I would not click on a thread with "Dave Canterbury" in the title
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Clicking on threads kinda goes with my membership title. Participating is what I should have avoided. I agree that there is a love hate thing going on... both can be blinding. Some haters go as far as making Anti-Pathfinder T-shirts and lovers can be just as extreme with Pathfinder swag... some even get tattoos!:p

That would be the equivalent of reading about friction fire, claiming to be an expert, and giving advice without any dirtime (i.e. first hand experience)
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Exactly! You understand what I am saying, then? Whew... I was getting a mixed signal for a bit.
 
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Dave Canterbury has some great friends here, who joined BF recently and have 1 - 4 posts in total, all in this thread, all defending Dave Canterbury. Hmmmm...
 
The opinions here, regarding what Dave admits to be fact, seem to be all over the place. We all have different tolerance levels for both our own behavior and for the behavior of others, and often those levels don't line up exactly. And depending on the nature of the behavior tolerance levels can shift and wiggle around. Seems as if Dave may have had a high tolerance for his own bad behavior in this case. Some here are willing to tolerate his bad behavior because one or more reasons like, a) he "apologized", b) he does have some legitimate skills, c) he is former military, and d) he was entertaining to watch. If you consider one or more of these reasons to be legitimate then knock yourself out and excuse him, and I don't think accepting his bad behavior is necessarily a reflection on your own character. To me, he's just a tv show guy that behaved badly and made a lame apology, and it takes more effort to finagle my mind into excusing him that it does to hold him to the standards that I try to hold myself to.
 
Magnaminous_G said:
Nobody is discounting his having any skill. Nobody here said, "I don't believe he knows how to start a bow-drill fire." Sure I believe he knows how... because I've seen the YouTube vid. People are discounting him because he's a lying scumbag who stole valor from Army Rangers and took food out of the mouths of widows and orphans whose fathers actually earned that right.




I guess I'm the exact opposite. Whenever I'm talking to a learned, experienced, highly educated person who is a expert in his field, I perk up and listen to him because he might know what he's talking about and might have something to teach me. Whenever I'm talking to someone who is "self-taught," I might praise him or keep a sly eye on him, depending on the circumstances. If he taught himself to extract his own teeth, I'd praise him. If wants my money and tries to get me to pay him to extract *my* teeth, then I've got a problem. Hence I don't take my car to self-taught mechanics. And hence when my tooth hurts, I don't go to self-taught dentists. But all this is beside the point. No one is discounting Dave Canterbury because he's self-taught. People are discounting him because he's a lying scumbag who stole valor from Army Rangers and took food out of the mouths of widows and orphans whose fathers actually earned that right.




If you've researched this and read all the evidence against him, you'll see that he was lying for years before Discovery came along. No one forced him to. He's always done it. And always for the same reason: to create an image so he can scam people out of money. And it was always a big, fat lie.




Actually, some of us have been in that position. And I, for one, have never lied on my resume or pretended I was something I wasn't in a professional setting. Does that make me the exception? I really, really hope not. I may have told a white lie or two to a pretty girl in a bar or to my parents, but on a resume or in a job interview? Never. I have to shrug if you are suggesting that everyone lies on their resume. Other folks here have also made that suggestion. I don't know who they are talking about, but I don't do it, and I don't associate with people who do it. If I'm not qualified, then I'm not qualified and I just don't apply for that job. If I want the job that bad, I need to go get the qualifications. Seems pretty black-and-white to me.
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I don't get how that works, if the fellow has a widow and his children are orphans, that would make him dead, right ?
Then chances are he would not get a job on dual survival anyway, being dead and all.
Or am I understanding it wrong. It sound pretty cool and dramatic, it just does not make any sense at all???
 
JCavSD said:
To me, he's just a tv show guy that behaved badly and made a lame apology,
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Taking that stance "he is just t.v. guy" He is a nearly saint compared to the vast majorty of( Insert any derogatory term you like) people on t.v. :D
Roy
 
Everybody forgets about Professor Roy Hinkley. USAAC WWII bomber crewman, 45 missions, shot down in the Phillipines with two broken legs. Years later he was washed ashore on a deserted island where he built huts, water wheels, peddle cars, all sorts of inventions including a radio from coconuts and bamboo. Fifteen years he was there. And he survived in style.
 
Codger_64 said:
Everybody forgets about Professor Roy Hinkley. USAAC WWII bomber crewman, 45 missions, shot down in the Phillipines with two broken legs. Years later he was washed ashore on a deserted island where he built huts, water wheels, peddle cars, all sorts of inventions including a radio from coconuts and bamboo. Fifteen years he was there. And he survived in style.
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Ha! One of my first survival instructors. Thanks Codger:thumbup:
 
Personally, I took his "Let him with no sin cast the first stone" speech to be heading off all the perfect people who shake their fist in the air and vow to never forgive the man until he jumps through hoops that only they define (though I'm sure you've all written him your list of demands and the bastard just sent them back to your encampment riding a flaming arrow!).

You know what? Some guys like the hard-case image, and that's fine. Hope you enjoy it when one of your screwups is found out and an entire community of people turn their backs on you and deny any forgiveness. I don't know. Maybe that's how you want to be treated?
 
Ulfhedinn said:
Personally, I took his "Let him with no sin cast the first stone" speech to be heading off all the perfect people who shake their fist in the air and vow to never forgive the man until he jumps through hoops that only they define (though I'm sure you've all written him your list of demands and the bastard just sent them back to your encampment riding a flaming arrow!).

You know what? Some guys like the hard-case image, and that's fine. Hope you enjoy it when one of your screwups is found out and an entire community of people turn their backs on you and deny any forgiveness. I don't know. Maybe that's how you want to be treated?
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Welcome to the forum Dave! I hope you will enjoy it here. There is a lot of good survival info to be shared and learned! :D
 
Ulfhedinn said:
Hope you enjoy it when one of your screwups is found out
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I would completely agree with you, if only it were one screw up to forgive. This statement perfectly outlines your limited knowledge or refusal to accept DC's history.

There are a few topics that get sketchy around here... batoning, fatwood and several popular survial personalities come to mind. Soon this thread will die out and everyone will forget... again.
 
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What are the other screwups? I thought it was his fictitious military resume, since that was what the apology was about?
 
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