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I agree.
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Dave Canterbury posted an apology vid on his channel.
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I agree.
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he doesnt even have the balls to use the proper term : LIE
just another sociopath (like lance) who obviously will continue to lie and lie and lie forever
just another sociopath (like lance) who obviously will continue to lie and lie and lie forever
Well, for one, I am glad he at least owned up to the fact that he embellished his resume.
I'll take the fact that he demonstrated his skills for free before DUal Survival, and still offers his skills and teaching FOR FREE on YouTube after Dual Survival. I doubt his school makes a hell of a lot of money, so he probably lives off his wife's salary, what his school brings in and what he brings in hawking things on his store. Kind of like most "wilderness Instructors", save that most of them don't offer free teaching like he does. I'm not seeing the Cody Lundin videos on YouTube, for instance.
The man has skills, resume or not. I think it's telling about the audience that the same who were at first discounting "why do people think military training is such a big deal, their survival and woods skills aren't exactly the best?", are the same ones who now completely discount him having any skill because he doesn't have the military resume.
I often see this attitude in all walks of life that you can't learn anything on your own. "I thought it up myself" is not an acceptable answer, rather many people will only accept that you know something if Professor "I can't do, so I teach" tells them so. You'll even have a subset of those who won't accept it if they don't like the guy who taught you.
For people who should be about being SELF-reliant to shun someone being SELF-taught is, humorous at best. I've no doubt that it was this attitude that put the pressure on Mr. Canterbury to lie on his resume to get the lucrative Discover paycheck. Did he make the wrong choice? Yes. Is anyone here any better? You won't know until you are in that position.
I'll take the fact that he demonstrated his skills for free before DUal Survival, and still offers his skills and teaching FOR FREE on YouTube after Dual Survival. I doubt his school makes a hell of a lot of money, so he probably lives off his wife's salary, what his school brings in and what he brings in hawking things on his store. Kind of like most "wilderness Instructors", save that most of them don't offer free teaching like he does. I'm not seeing the Cody Lundin videos on YouTube, for instance.
The man has skills, resume or not. I think it's telling about the audience that the same who were at first discounting "why do people think military training is such a big deal, their survival and woods skills aren't exactly the best?", are the same ones who now completely discount him having any skill because he doesn't have the military resume.
I often see this attitude in all walks of life that you can't learn anything on your own. "I thought it up myself" is not an acceptable answer, rather many people will only accept that you know something if Professor "I can't do, so I teach" tells them so. You'll even have a subset of those who won't accept it if they don't like the guy who taught you.
For people who should be about being SELF-reliant to shun someone being SELF-taught is, humorous at best. I've no doubt that it was this attitude that put the pressure on Mr. Canterbury to lie on his resume to get the lucrative Discover paycheck. Did he make the wrong choice? Yes. Is anyone here any better? You won't know until you are in that position.
You won't. There's no money in it for him.
24 hour class at his school? $400- $600
A weeklong course? $2,200 - $2,800
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Dave taught OTHER INSTRUCTOR's skills for the most part. That was one of the the things that bothered me from the get go.
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Nobody is discounting his having any skill. Nobody here said, "I don't believe he knows how to start a bow-drill fire." Sure I believe he knows how... because I've seen the YouTube vid. People are discounting him because he's a lying scumbag who stole valor from Army Rangers and took food out of the mouths of widows and orphans whose fathers actually earned that right.
I guess I'm the exact opposite. Whenever I'm talking to a learned, experienced, highly educated person who is a expert in his field, I perk up and listen to him because he might know what he's talking about and might have something to teach me. Whenever I'm talking to someone who is "self-taught," I might praise him or keep a sly eye on him, depending on the circumstances. If he taught himself to extract his own teeth, I'd praise him. If wants my money and tries to get me to pay him to extract *my* teeth, then I've got a problem. Hence I don't take my car to self-taught mechanics. And hence when my tooth hurts, I don't go to self-taught dentists. But all this is beside the point. No one is discounting Dave Canterbury because he's self-taught. People are discounting him because he's a lying scumbag who stole valor from Army Rangers and took food out of the mouths of widows and orphans whose fathers actually earned that right.
If you've researched this and read all the evidence against him, you'll see that he was lying for years before Discovery came along. No one forced him to. He's always done it. And always for the same reason: to create an image so he can scam people out of money. And it was always a big, fat lie.
Actually, some of us have been in that position. And I, for one, have never lied on my resume or pretended I was something I wasn't in a professional setting. Does that make me the exception? I really, really hope not. I may have told a white lie or two to a pretty girl in a bar or to my parents, but on a resume or in a job interview? Never. I have to shrug if you are suggesting that everyone lies on their resume. Other folks here have also made that suggestion. I don't know who they are talking about, but I don't do it, and I don't associate with people who do it. If I'm not qualified, then I'm not qualified and I just don't apply for that job. If I want the job that bad, I need to go get the qualifications. Seems pretty black-and-white to me.
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Probably NONE of this stuff is new. Anyone who teaches anything is probably teaching someone else's stuff in one manner or another!
I have probably watched every Ray Mears video I can find. A WHOLE LOT of what I see him doing (indirectly showing) or explaining is documented in Mors Kochanski's book "Bushcraft."
Why do we even feel the need to Judge him....or anyone for that matter? We are all far from perfect, just in different ways.
If you don't think you will learn anything from him, don't watch anything from him. I am quite sure though that you will pick up something interesting if you do though.
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The same skills that are printed in every copy of FM 21-76? Those skills? The same skills anyone can learn from buying a copy at Amazon for $6.95?
Hard to argue "theft" of skills that have been public knowledge for several decades, isn't it?
(Great timing Brian!)
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Never argued theft of skills, just lack of ethics and not giving credit where credit is due. I am not just speculating this. I have had conversations with the prominant survival experts who saw this coming and just shook their heads at his lack of honour. In my opinion, he took proven methods taught to him by honest professionals, dumbed them down to fit his redneck image and denied the connection. (That is not a slight against real "redneck" inventiveness)
Do you know how to change a tire? Who taught that to you? Do you know it's printed in every owner's manual?
"Proven methods" that were "taught" to him? I've got a bookful of those "proven methods˝ I'll sell you for $100. I'll even cover shipping!
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I am not talking about general/beginner skills... I'm talking about allowing others to research and plan and record a whole Youtube lesson... to just turn around and clone it. I'm talking about not even having the decency to purchase (or acknowledge) the set of DVD's that you blatently regurgitate. I'm sorry, but if your solution to running out of content is to scour the the internet and remake other folks videos, you might be a Pathfinder.Do you know how to change a tire? Who taught that to you? Do you know it's printed in every owner's manual?
"Proven methods" that were "taught" to him? I've got a bookful of those "proven methods˝ I'll sell you for $100. I'll even cover shipping!
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Rick I agree with you and will give an example. I was able to view and early Pathfinder school manual. It was blatantly copied from other source material including the US Air force Survival manual and others. That's copyright infringement. I don't think it was even acknowledged as source material. I know there are folks who really like his stuff and gobble it all up. That's great if it gets more folks in the woods doing stuff. But never blindly follow one man. Got out and learn from many sources. There is so much knowledge out there!
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One of the reasons I really don't like a lot of these discussions is that people say a lot of stuff that can not really be proven. That doesn't sound like the case here.
With the cloned YT videos, it sounds like you have looked into it quite a bit, and it should be very easy for you to provide links for us to do our own A to B (original verus cloned) comparison.
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Sure, I could try to gather some stuff up... I know there has been threads on this forum and others regarding this topic before. I can't post any of the DVD material as the copyright is strictly enforced but I should be able to find youtube examples. Hopefully I can hunt down the threads where folks have already done the legwork. If not, I'm not sure i want to put TOO much effort into something I tried to avoid for years. Please understand that I'm already at my DC tolerence limit.
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I understand the DVD thing. But the YT example seemed pretty cut and dry.
I can totally understand the DC tolerance limit. DC is very polarizing and people either seem to love or hate him. If you are really, really at your limit, I would not click on a thread with "Dave Canterbury" in the title
But, since you are already here, you have made quite a claim against him. Knowing you, I am guessing that you have seen all the videos first hand. I don't take you as the type to go by "he said this, and she said that" and then make a claim like you did.
That would be the equivalent of reading about friction fire, claiming to be an expert, and giving advice without any dirtime (i.e. first hand experience)
Besides, I would love to see them
If you can't tell, I am not in the love him or hate him camp. I just think people judge and hate too quickly, and it is to their own detriment.
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I back Dave 100% and hope he keeps doing a great job on his youtube channel. I know that his apology was sincere and hard to do and as a former Marine have no problem accepting it and moving on. The show was a lot better with Dave on it even if his qualifications weren't all truthful. The success of a reality show is usually because of the individual talent of and likability of those on the show, not their resume. :thumbup: TE=Cyblade;11683543]Talks about what happened and owned up to everything.
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