dealing with Andrew Clifford Knives

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This happened months ago on Ebay, so I don't know if it belongs here, but realizing the Ebay seller (who is related to the maker) still occasionally sells knives on Ebay, and still has a 100% positive feedback, I felt it was my duty to post here my experience.

This below is simply a copy of a follow-up post I did on a thread where I had praised the design of the knife in question (ACK Sly II), before I knew what its performance was...

Here is the post, which contains all the relevant information:



I have to correct what I said about the Andrew Clifford being a practical knife (even if it does look that way)...: Under mild chopping use, the edge, in less than ten strokes, curls up like soft rubber, and the dented apex turns around and points all the way up 180 degrees to the spine... In the same wood a Randall Model 12 shows no damage in a thousand strokes...

I did take some incredible pictures that I'll upload later, as my camera is broken, but the ACK's performance is by far the most abysmal I have ever experienced with any knife, even compared to the disastrous Neeley SA9...: There were questionable delays in the purchase (an Ebay auction), and I suspect the knife was hurriedly made while I waited on an auction I had won for a non-existing knife: I got it a good five-six weeks after I won the auction, so over a month late...: The seller was the maker's nephew, and started making up a series of strange excuses right out of the gate, as soon as I won, like the paper of the authenticity certificate being cheap and needing to be re-printed(!)...

I suspect that to hurry things up the knife was not even hardened, as the performance was that of soft metal...

Gaston

P.S. I should mention that his nephew on Ebay goes by the name "Sonnerboomer", and being overly patient I did not give him negative feedback, which is still 100% positive on Ebay for this guy: I only found out about the unhardened edge months later, and given he is the maker's nephew (as acknowledged by the maker himself on his own site, mentioning the name "Sonnerboomer") I consider him responsible for the edge performance, and would give him negative feedback on the knife, if only because he claimed it would be an old serial numbered version (available on the first 100 made only), and instead I got a presumably more recent un-numbered version, which is very suspicious, even though I did not initially care about this...

Of note is that the seller on the Ebay stated the knife in the picture was just a generic picture, which should have been a red flag in itself...

The number of delay excuses, after I won a hard fought auction for around $700, went like this:

Week 1-Paper of authenticity certificate not "good enough": Seller offers to wait some time to have it re-printed (I declined).
Week 2-Missing sharpening rod (already stated in the ad): Offers to wait some time to get one for me: I had my own and declined.
Week 3-No response for a week, then "Wife" says Sonnerboomer is out on a trip...
Week 4-Sonnerboomer claims package was sent to the wrong address, but that it is returning to be sent out again(!!!)

That was about one excuses per week before I got a tracking number on the fifth week, and one week later the knife showed up, and looked good.

The knife had no serial number, and had an edge literally too soft to cut cheese, but I only found out about the latter issue months later.

That about sums it up.

As a side note, the maker recently jacked up the knife's price (Sly II) from $800 to over $1300 US, and says he is considering "only serious offers":rolleyes:...

Make of it what you will...

Gaston
 
Considering this was an Ebay auction and is not at all related to Bladeforums, I'm curious as to why you would post it here other than to vent your side of things in hopes to get validation.

BF doesn't police Ebay sellers unless they also sell here, and since this transaction had no part of it done through BF this thread seems out of place.
 
Considering this was an Ebay auction and is not at all related to Bladeforums, I'm curious as to why you would post it here other than to vent your side of things in hopes to get validation.

BF doesn't police Ebay sellers unless they also sell here, and since this transaction had no part of it done through BF this thread seems out of place.

As a warning for any of us that shop on Ebay.....
 
Did you report this to eBay to get your money back?

No, as having got what looked like a satisfactory knife, and at least weekly communications by the seller, I gave him a positive feedback except for 3 out of 5 stars on delivery speed.

The purchase was in September 2014, and it was spring 2015 when I tested the knife, so I figured it was too late to complain about anything.


Here is what I could find about my purchase in my purchase history:

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Order Custom Andrew Clifford Lile style SLY 2 Rambo FB bowie survival knife bushcraft View similar items- ORDER DATE Sep 06, 2015
View seller's other items- ORDER DATE Sep 06, 2015

More actions- ORDER DATE Sep 06, 2015

1 item sold by soonerboomer


Custom Andrew Clifford Lile style SLY 2 Rambo FB bowie survival knife bushcraft

Custom Andrew Clifford Lile style SLY 2 Rambo FB bowie survival knife bushcraft

( 271971818228 )


Add note

ITEM PRICE:

C $844.33



Here is his profile on Ebay: There is nothing for sale now, but recently (a month or two) there was one or two of his uncle's knives, and they were in the 1k 2k range...


http://www.ebay.ca/usr/soonerboomer?_trksid=p2057872.m2749.l2754

Gaston
 
I understand the intention, but Ebay has their own methods of warning Ebay buyers just like GBU is meant for Bladeforums-related content.

The feedback forum here has been routinely used for all things knife related. Paypal, USPS, shipping issues, maker issues, etc.

If this will help someone not make an ill-fated purchase, what's the issue?
 
The feedback forum here has been routinely used for all things knife related. Paypal, USPS, shipping issues, maker issues, etc.

If this will help someone not make an ill-fated purchase, what's the issue?

I've heard it said here before that BF is not the police of the knife world and we don't handle ALL knife-related dispute here, just when relevant to BF. Whether that's accurate, I'm not sure, but I assumed if no part of the deal was done here it really doesn't belong here.
 
Forum: FEEDBACK: The Good, The Bad, The Ugly!
This is your area to tell about your experiences (Good or Bad) with dealers, sellers, and individuals you've bought, sold, and traded with.

Knowing Spark has no problem expressing himself, I can only take these words at face value.

Always subject to clarification, but nothing about being confined to BF experiences..

Here is a sticky, no less, mostly about eBay sellers of counterfeit Bucks: http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/s...ckoff-Buck-Knives-amp-Americans-Who-Sell-Them
 
I've heard it said here before that BF is not the police of the knife world and we don't handle ALL knife-related dispute here, just when relevant to BF. Whether that's accurate, I'm not sure, but I assumed if no part of the deal was done here it really doesn't belong here.

A heads up for potential problems are always appreciated. Now, if something happens elsewhere, and they come here for a resolution, then that is a different matter and I would agree with you.


In my opinion, this looks like two separate issues.

The first being with the seller. Even after the delays, a positive rating of 3 out of 5 stars was given. Done deal.

The second being with the maker. You received a blade and after using it you find that the quality is not as it should be.
I don't see how you can blame the seller since it has been in your possession for 6 months or so. (Guessing 6 months as the timeline in post #7 seems a bit off.)
If you noticed this after receiving it, or maybe even a month or two after getting it then I can see holding fault with the seller, not half a year after a semi-satisfactory transaction.

I only found out about the unhardened edge months later, and given he is the maker's nephew (as acknowledged by the maker himself on his own site, mentioning the name "Sonnerboomer") I consider him responsible for the edge performance, and would give him negative feedback on the knife, if only because he claimed it would be an old serial numbered version (available on the first 100 made only), and instead I got a presumably more recent un-numbered version, which is very suspicious, even though I did not initially care about this...
 
Why the hostility toward the OP? He's not asking bladeforums.com to do anything . He's letting fellow enthusiasts know there's a potential problem with a maker/seller .


I appreciate this thread and am taking it for what it is , a heads up to knife people . Maybe the question of where it belongs should be it's own thread...
 
Why the hostility toward the OP? He's not asking bladeforums.com to do anything . He's letting fellow enthusiasts know there's a potential problem with a maker/seller .


I appreciate this thread and am taking it for what it is, a heads up to knife people.
Maybe the question of where it belongs should be it's own thread...

^ +1

I too, appreciate when a person cares enough, to look out for his fellow BF brother's! It's this type of attitude, that make this place such a positive, community like forum! :thumbup: :thumbup:

Thank you, Gaston444! :thumbup:
 
Why the hostility toward the OP? He's not asking bladeforums.com to do anything . He's letting fellow enthusiasts know there's a potential problem with a maker/seller .


I appreciate this thread and am taking it for what it is , a heads up to knife people . Maybe the question of where it belongs should be it's own thread...

+1 I for one appreciate when a member warns of a potential problem on here or somewhere else. some of us do buy knives other places then here gasp
 
A heads up for potential problems are always appreciated. Now, if something happens elsewhere, and they come here for a resolution, then that is a different matter and I would agree with you.


In my opinion, this looks like two separate issues.

The first being with the seller. Even after the delays, a positive rating of 3 out of 5 stars was given. Done deal.

The second being with the maker. You received a blade and after using it you find that the quality is not as it should be.
I don't see how you can blame the seller since it has been in your possession for 6 months or so. (Guessing 6 months as the timeline in post #7 seems a bit off.)
If you noticed this after receiving it, or maybe even a month or two after getting it then I can see holding fault with the seller, not half a year after a semi-satisfactory transaction.

Why the hostility toward the OP? He's not asking bladeforums.com to do anything . He's letting fellow enthusiasts know there's a potential problem with a maker/seller .


I appreciate this thread and am taking it for what it is , a heads up to knife people . Maybe the question of where it belongs should be it's own thread...

^ +1

I too, appreciate when a person cares enough, to look out for his fellow BF brother's! It's this type of attitude, that make this place such a positive, community like forum! :thumbup: :thumbup:

Thank you, Gaston444! :thumbup:



+1 I for one appreciate when a member warns of a potential problem on here or somewhere else. some of us do buy knives other places then here gasp

I understand the desire for a warning, I appreciate it too. The only issue I see is bias: there's only one side of the story here and since the seller is not on BF we won't have the ability to get the other side of the story, leaving us relying on one biased person's testimony to form a potentially harmful opinion on a seller we otherwise know nothing about. (I am not disputing the OP's honesty, just pointing out that there is always bias)

What I like best about GBU is the ability for the other party to come in and defend themselves, we see a lot of threads get started by someone only to end up flipping 180 degrees once the other party gets involved and clears their name. It doesn't sit well with me to have a thread that will only ever be one-sided sitting here tarnishing a seller's reputation, no matter how true it might be. I would understand if the seller had a presence here, then this thread would be a very good thing.

I'll back out of this thread, as I'm obviously in the minority, I'd just figure I'd share why I don't really agree with having non-BF-related threads in here.
 
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