death down under

Ben Dover said:
I agree that it would be interesting to hear what Australians think, since it took place in their country.


How about it, guys? Any Aussies reading this thread?????
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Re: an Australian perspective on this.

Firstly, I have not seen the video in question so I won't make any comment about it and will stick with some facts about some of the animals that have been referred to in this thread:



Buffalo are an introduced species. They were originally imported from Timor and Indonesia in the nineteenth century and have spread through much of the top end of the Northern Territory (where I live).

In the early days of the twentieth century through to the sixties they were hunted for hides (not for meat) and there are some great stories about the professional hunters of the day who hunted from horseback with cut down rifles, often shooting the animals at a gallop at very close range.

Twenty years ago they were all over the place but the government began an eradication program around that time aimed at wiping out all wild buffalo in the interests of eradicating risks to the pastoral industry from Brucellosis and Bovine TB. They were shot in the thousands from helicopters with automatic rifles and left to rot.

Numbers are slowly building up again but it is very difficult to gain legal access to hunting. Most of the buffalo are on Aboriginal land or in national parks and those that are on private cattle stations are generally managed by professional hunters who have concessions to bring in paying shooters. The cost can be quite signficant. Many of the paying shooters are Europeans and Americans. Buffalos are now raised domestically and the meat can be obtained from butchers and supermarkets.

The degree of sportsmanship in hunting buffalo is frequently debated. If you see domesticed animals you would place them in the category of a very large cow. It is worth noting that buffalo have been known to kill and I know of three deaths in recent years relating to buffalo attacks (none of them were hunters). They are big, tough animals and can be hard to put down. A 30-06 will do the job but 338, 375 and 458 rifles are commonly used by hunters. In thick bush they can be a real challenge and hunting them on foot is not without risk.

Camels - Central Australia is home to thousands of feral camels. They are not generally shot for sport. Many are rounded up alive and either exported to the middle east or sent to abbatoirs. The meat is sold commercially and is often served in restaurants in the Northern Territory. The number of wild animals is at a record level and they can do a lot of environmental damage as well as damage to fences etc. With minor exceptions, the only way to shoot them is to become involved in some form of culling exercise.

Kangaroos - they are generally protected and in most instances can only be legally shot by professional shooters who are issued with tags by national parks staff. Tags are issued after assessment of numbers, often at the request of landholders. In times of drought, kangaroos compete with stock for the available grazing and numbers need to be controlled. The professional shooters generally work with mobile coolrooms or in partnership with meat buyers. The animals are humanely shot (often at night with spotlights) and the skins are taken and the meat put into cold storage. A lot of the meat goes to the petfood industry but if the conditions are right it is sold for human consumption. You can buy kangaroo meat in the supermarket here and many restaurants serve it. Kanagaroo culling is business like and necessary but I don't think many people would regard it as sport.

Aboriginal people are generally exempt from rules about what they can hunt on traditional lands. They are keen hunters of kangaroos and wallabies (a smaller version) for food.
 
I have no irrational prejudice whatsoever against Lynn Thompson, but I can tell you that after seeing this video, I would never buy a Cold Steel product again. These videos are specifically designed to glorify the killing of animals. The question for me is not whether or not these populations needed to be controlled, the legality of his actions, or anything else. Of course, as an animal lover, I want to see the meat used and eaten, and it probably was.

My objection to these videos is that they make this mindless shooting of animals a sport that they ask us to pay to watch. It is the incredibly poor taste that makes Lynn disgrace himself, and the reason I would never support Cold Steel in the future.
 
Esav Benyamin said:
A very great scandal, this and similar instances, but not the essence of kosher slaughter. We will not reject the entire system because it has been abused.

If you aren't an observant Jew, if you aren't aware of kosher slaughtering practices that do conform to our laws, I reject your opinion. And I oppose your attempt to impose your philosophy on our way of life.
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My philosophy is to minimize the suffering of animals.

But... to each his own.
 
Esav Benyamin said:
How about a video of Lynn Thompson running them down on foot? :)
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This is exactly what I had in mind. :D But, in the interest of fairness, I think he should be allowed to equip himself with a Safe Keeper II. I wonder how long it would be before we heard the words (no 'w' because Thompson has no speech inpediment), "rascally rabbit".
 
Esav Benyamin said:
I reject your opinion. And I oppose your attempt to impose your philosophy on our way of life.
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Esav- I too have had the utmost respect for you as you are usually rational in your distaste for CS and LT. But, if I or Shecky had said the above to you with regard to the vid in question, wouldn't you cry foul along with the other detractors?
 
Cougar Allen said:
Does anyone have any facts about what happened to the meat? I think it's inappropriate to blame him for wasting the meat unless we have some evidence that he did. What we've actually seen in the preview is bad enough.
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I know what happened. Does anyone want to know, or am I just going to get ridiculed as usual?
 
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The video doesn't have anything to do with hunting. It is death porn, in the same vein as "Faces Of Death."
 
I wouldn't be at all surprised to hear that the meat was to be used for the filming of the next episodes in their video series.
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Regards,
3G
 
DngrRuss1 said:
I know what happened. Does anyone want to know, or am I just going to get ridiculed as usual?
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I want to know. Then I can decide whether or not to ridicule you.

































Just messin' with ya'.:D But seriously, I do want to know.
 
Is it like a secret? Why would anyone ridicule you? Not as though you had anything to do with the meat....
 
It says that he is working with property owners and Gov. Agencies to help cull herds.
I'm not a hunter. The guys around here deer hunt. They feed the deer all summer. Then in the fall climb a tree with a high powered rifle wearing every piece of camo sold at Bass Pro, and snipe that deer they have been hand feeding. Sorry guys don't see the sport. The guys that hunt hogs with a knife that's sport. Brown bear with a bow that's sport. Dall sheep that's sport,just because of the effort required.
Anyway, I don't see what he did in the video as sport. It at best was a possibly needed culling of the heard. I don't put the man down for that. Someone has to do it now that man has killed off all the natural predators for SPORT!
 
yes lyyn killed abunch of animals but that is no reason to shunn cold steel for it. however I can just imagine an asian buffalo on 2 legs with a 10 gauge shotgun in hand running after lynn thompson firing all the way
 
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Unless someone can show a copy of the permits he must have obtained from the Australian government we will never know the circumstances of the "hunt". Videos are just like TV, if you don't like what is on change the channel or, better yet, turn it off. Will I watch the video? No...it doesn't interest me. Will I boycott Cold Steel because of it? Again no, the actions of one person doing something outside of the company does not affect the product.

And with that said....

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