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I wanted to verify my information before I put it here. LT is flying out to Australia this week, so I talked to another CS member who has attended hunts with LT down-under.
As the hunters go through a ranchers property, they are usually followed by refrigeration trucks. Since the game they are hunting is not always native, has no natural predator, and has grown to an exploded feral population, hunters are allowed to take very large numbers of game per hunt. So bringing a refer-truck in is very feasible. They load the game (unless saved fro trophy) into the trucks and are either taken to meat markets or to dog food makers.
Apparently, there was even an incident where they were loading so fast that LT couldn't get some of the photos he wanted of his harvest.
In some cases, however, the ranch is so far out in the bush that such trucks are not feasible. In those cases, the meat is either given over to locals (if there are any), used to bait other game animals, burned, or left in the field. The property owners and the government do not mind this, since those animals MUST be culled.
Neither is a feature on the video, since it is not the point of the video. Some have said that it would be better if the video explained about the whole process of getting licenses and tags, going through the whole process form beginning to end as an educational experience. Also, that is not the point of the video. It is a hunting video, like the many other hunting videos out on the market.
I have to agree with those here who have said if you do not like this kind of video, do not watch it. I can also tell you the reaction of many who have seen the trailer of the video at events where CS has shown it. Some have walked away, but many have watched with tremendous fascination. It premiered at Shot Show- you know the SHOOTING, HUNTING, Outdoor Trade show. It was right up the alley of most there.
The animals in question are overpopulated, destructive, and property owners are often mandated to harvest them. LT, and other hunters like him, pay top dollar to be allowed to go to a foreign land and hunt and shoot as much as they can for their own enjoyment of the sport, but it also serves the local economy (free meat for market and dog food, tens of thousands of dollars for the right to hunt, etc.) and the local property owners and environment. There are certainly environmental and game laws that must be adhered to, and LT has never poached or broken any local or national game or environmental laws on his hunts. That is a great way to never be able to hunt again.
As the hunters go through a ranchers property, they are usually followed by refrigeration trucks. Since the game they are hunting is not always native, has no natural predator, and has grown to an exploded feral population, hunters are allowed to take very large numbers of game per hunt. So bringing a refer-truck in is very feasible. They load the game (unless saved fro trophy) into the trucks and are either taken to meat markets or to dog food makers.
Apparently, there was even an incident where they were loading so fast that LT couldn't get some of the photos he wanted of his harvest.
In some cases, however, the ranch is so far out in the bush that such trucks are not feasible. In those cases, the meat is either given over to locals (if there are any), used to bait other game animals, burned, or left in the field. The property owners and the government do not mind this, since those animals MUST be culled.
Neither is a feature on the video, since it is not the point of the video. Some have said that it would be better if the video explained about the whole process of getting licenses and tags, going through the whole process form beginning to end as an educational experience. Also, that is not the point of the video. It is a hunting video, like the many other hunting videos out on the market.
I have to agree with those here who have said if you do not like this kind of video, do not watch it. I can also tell you the reaction of many who have seen the trailer of the video at events where CS has shown it. Some have walked away, but many have watched with tremendous fascination. It premiered at Shot Show- you know the SHOOTING, HUNTING, Outdoor Trade show. It was right up the alley of most there.
The animals in question are overpopulated, destructive, and property owners are often mandated to harvest them. LT, and other hunters like him, pay top dollar to be allowed to go to a foreign land and hunt and shoot as much as they can for their own enjoyment of the sport, but it also serves the local economy (free meat for market and dog food, tens of thousands of dollars for the right to hunt, etc.) and the local property owners and environment. There are certainly environmental and game laws that must be adhered to, and LT has never poached or broken any local or national game or environmental laws on his hunts. That is a great way to never be able to hunt again.
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I am a favorite punching bag for the CS haters. I am a friend of LT and the company, have a very different impression of his motives and actions, and am often just branded a shill and a liar.
My issue is still not with the motivation behind the "hunt." Regardless of if the meat was used or not, the marketing and glorification of slaughter is what is ridiculous. My issue is that Lynn has absolutely no taste and no shame. The way this is marketed was aptly described earlier as death porn.
Again, he is not the first to make and market a hunting video, he will not be the last, and if you do not like it, do not watch it.
That isn't a hunting video. Hunters do not wish to be heaped into that pile. Hunting involves a little bit more than flexing your trigger finger until the gun goes boom, ad nauseum. Anyone who has hunted understands that, and anyone who includes the word "death" in their "hunting" video is really missing the point.
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I just did a 2 minute search and found all these titles, and there were many more. Again, LT is not the first, nor the last. There is obviously a market for these products and he has not missed the point at all.
I have hunted. I have enjoyed it. I prefer bow hunting (re-curve) to the gun, since it levels the playing field a bit more between me and a deer. What I have never done, and do not see me doing in the near future, is big game hunt.
For the record, LT has also take Cape Buffalo with a spear. If he returns to Africa, I know he is thinking about doing the same against a lion. Locals have done it for generations, so he would like to try himself as well. Does that fall into how you define "hunting" or not? Ah, hell, I already know the answer to that.
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Speaking for myself, I'd consider that hunting. Culling herds of nuisance critters, while a necessity, is not something I consider hunting and, in my opinion, portraying it as in this video reflects poorly on the pasttime - regardless of whom the host may be.
I appreciate you taking the time to tell us about what was done with the meat dngruss. I'll always disagree with sensationalizing what is essentially slaughter but it is good to know that little of it went to waste.
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I don't care about LT or his products. I do have strong feelings about this kind of activity being incorrectly included with a pastime that I enjoy. You using the example of hunting with a spear, or your own use of a bow would seem to indicate to me that you also understand that there is a difference. Now, lets go a step further. Do you think that death porn videos of this nature are used by the anti-hunting crowd to further their agenda? They are, and this is why people who do hunt ought to distance themselves from this kind of activity.
