Demand more from your knife companies!!!

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I think we are lucky to live at a time when there's so many high-quality knives around to choose from.
Although they are not "perfect", lots of them are very, very good.
Spyderco, Zero Tolerance, Benchmade, all of them pumping out many models of knife at all price points.

And then there's the profusion of custom makers, more than at any other time, ever.

Demand more? We ARE getting more. :thumbup:
 
Morrow said:
I don't disagree with anything you said. Your opinions seem to be based on a solid sense of reality. I'm not so sure the OP's comments and expectations are as grounded as yours.
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Possibly so, I did mention the gray area "materials vs workmanship". I'm not exactly sure where the OP was headed.
The comment about regarding not spoiling it for the rest of us was not directly towards you Morrow but more for the newbies who haven't been on the planet long enough or have never owned anything decent before they defend without first knowing the truth. They'll be forthcoming I'm sure. Guess I'm a bit proactive on the subject. Should have elaborated upon that, sorry no harm no foul.
 
OMG, "perfect"...ok near perfect.

near perfect = Ka-bar USMC, Any SAK, Mora Companion...and they're not charging custom prices like the "Coach Purse" knives.
 
zeroed4x said:
I've been around both guns and knives long enough to know what was possible with regards to quality and how things are now.
Back in the day if it was not perfect, it was removed and resolved or disposed of and not sold to consumers.
Manufactures actually had integrity and therefore cared that quality standards where kept extremely high.
I've actually never had a bad Spyderco. I'm sure that there is a possibility someone else might have had one but I have not.
There might be a gray area between fit, finish, construction and possibly the materials being utilized ?
There's a massively huge difference between Chinese ebay mall ninja imports and a quality piece.
When I pay for the good stuff I expect my hard earned dollars to provide me with the same quality, the same performance and the same look as the cherry picked one used in the video or the photo. I expect it to be as near perfect as perfect can be. If the manufactures reputation is such that you expect good materials, craftsmanship and attention to detail, then it had better be there or it will be a return. If you settle for garbage, shoddy workmanship or anything else less, that is up to you but you end up poisoning the water for the rest of us that do demand quality.
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a large part of it is based on the person doing the judging. I've never had a bad spyderco either, but none have been "perfect". someone, somewhere will be able to find fault with anything. I've seen people give up on their "grail knife" because the blade wasn't centered perfectly (maybe a 10% difference to one side, barely even measurable) or one jimping line is uneven, etc...

I think this is mostly due to the internet culture of modern knife enthusiasts who rarely use their knife, but spend a lot of time taking pictures/video of it, talking about it, flicking it, etc... they place an unhealthy fascination on something that has no practical use to them, they aren't seeing it the same as their hammer, or shovel, or drill press.

expecting perfection is pretty unreasonable. expecting a knife that functions as it was intended without large aesthetic flaws is another thing entirely.

also,I think you might be looking at the past through rose colored glasses. even in just a couple decades production capabilities and materials have led to tighter and tighter tolerances on firearms. if you really look at classics like a production 1911 the amount of slop and variances from gun to gun is astounding, then again it was designed to take these variances into account and still do its job.
 
blixxx said:
OMG, "perfect"...ok near perfect.

near perfect = Any SAK
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Well, my Swisschamp has machining/stamping marks around the liners...

My Ka-Bar came with uneven edges.

I just chucked the Swisschamp in the backpack, and the Ka-Bar got rectified with the first good sharpening. :thumbup:

But according to others, those would have been huge issues.

It all depends on what criteria you need filled for a given level of cash. :)
 
Really? :rolleyes: Gotta love that perfect "blood groove" on the Kabar.
blixxx said:
OMG, "perfect"...ok near perfect.

near perfect = Ka-bar USMC, Any SAK, Mora Companion...and they're not charging custom prices like the "Coach Purse" knives.
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blixxx said:
OMG, "perfect"...ok near perfect.

near perfect = Ka-bar USMC, Any SAK, Mora Companion...and they're not charging custom prices like the "Coach Purse" knives.
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Hate to be an ignoramus here, but what exactly do you mean by "Coach purse" knives? Is that some type of dig at companies you deem "not close to perfect?" Not trying to be rude, just looking for clarification here...
 
stabman said:
Well, my Swisschamp has machining/stamping marks around the liners...

My Ka-Bar came with uneven edges.

I just chucked the Swisschamp in the backpack, and the Ka-Bar got rectified with the first good sharpening. :thumbup:

But according to others, those would have been huge issues.

It all depends on what criteria you need filled for a given level of cash. :)
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Good thing they didn't charge you Coach Purse prices!!!
 
PaulTR said:
Hate to be an ignoramus here, but what exactly do you mean by "Coach purse" knives? Is that some type of dig at companies you deem "not close to perfect?" Not trying to be rude, just looking for clarification here...
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Coach Purses are the "IN" purse that is overcharged.
 
Keep the questions coming men, I'm happy to soak your grey matter with knowledge.
 
blixxx said:
OMG, "perfect"...ok near perfect.

near perfect = Ka-bar USMC, Any SAK, Mora Companion...and they're not charging custom prices like the "Coach Purse" knives.
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Have you ever even seen a high end knife? The three knives you listed are good, inexpensive knives whose fit and finish are far from perfect. That is precisely what they are supposed to be.

By the way, FYI, you shouldn't make purse analogies, because you don't know what you are talking about. I've been married long enough to know that a Coach purse is good...not at all great. Go ask a woman.
 
blixxx said:
Coach Purses are the "IN" purse that is overcharged.
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[video=youtube;4QiEnhA3n0A]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4QiEnhA3n0A[/video]
[video=youtube;Nj6p8p6vfZQ]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nj6p8p6vfZQ[/video]

if you think that those knives aren't worth $400 then you're kidding yourself
 
If the edges were better from factories, I would have had a few perfect knives. Why can factories not use less half assed sharpening methods?

Yes, I know sharpening takes time and is usually an afterthought, but something like paper wheels takes almost no time and puts a crazy sharp edge on.
 
I dunno. Perfect? Near perfect? Eh.

For me it is simple. If I get a knife that I feel was worth the money that I spent for it, then I am happy. I figure that I'll set my own standards on a purchase-by-purchase basis and let others set their own standards. I don't really need anyone else telling me how to do that.
 
Price is one thing...value is another. You may think (for example) that $100 for a SAK that is "near perfect" is a terrific deal. For me, I don't think it's a deal at all. Is it because the knife is flawed? Course not! Victorinox is a quality company with a terrific reputation...I just have no need for a $100 SAK. I'd rather go out and pay $100 for a Benchmade folder. Doesn't make the SAK any less of a knife because it's not in my price point...just means my values are different than yours.

Just my opinion, take it our leave it...tho I fear by your comments it'll probably be left :rolleyes:
 
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