Demand more from your knife companies!!!

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KNaB said:
Regrettably, no. Just......misguided.
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You might be in denial, my friend. We live in the USA, what's the name of the game CAPITALISM!!!

Did you know Kirkland brand vodka is made at the same distillery as Grey Goose but way way cheaper.
Did you know your 100% cotton tshirt from Kohl's is the same cotton they use for your Express Men tshirt but way way cheaper.

This is the USA, we're full of sheeple that pay high dollar for name brands and listen to Justine Bieber.

It's ridiculous to the think the knife market is not taking advantage of this also.
 
blixxx said:
You might be in denial, my friend. We live in the USA, what's the name of the game CAPITALISM!!!

Did you know Kirkland brand vodka is made at the same distillery as Grey Goose but way way cheaper.
Did you know your 100% cotton tshirt from Kohl's is the same cotton they use for your Express Men tshirt but way way cheaper.

This is the USA, we're full of sheeple that pay high dollar for name brands and listen to Justine Bieber.
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so then what is the cheap brand being made in the CRK factory or the hinderer factory?
 
blixxx said:
You might be in denial, my friend. We live in the USA, what's the name of the game CAPITALISM!!!

Did you know Kirkland brand vodka is made at the same distillery as Grey Goose but way way cheaper.
Did you know your 100% cotton tshirt from Kohl's is the same cotton they use for your Express Men tshirt but way way cheaper.

This is the USA, we're full of sheeple that pay high dollar for name brands and listen to Justine Bieber.
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Denial? No. I was just defending you from being called a troll, but called you misguided because quite a few threads in which you post degenerate into.....well.....kinda what we have here. I don't nor have I ever listened to Justin Bieber. I prefer einsturzende Neubauten.
 
Well lets see here. My example is the Zero Tolerance 0801 in my hand. Cost of raw materials is probably around $50, steel hardware, handles, etc. all is much cheaper when you buy in bulk like a production company. I'm not saying theses prices are accurate, but they will serves this argument just fine. I'm willing to bet most of the cost of the knife is manufacturing, there's the milling, grinding, sharpening, finishing, etc. that all goes into this knife. Then you have to take into consideration the tooling, belts, fluids, etc that all need replaced/replenished often to keep the tolerances tight. You then have to think about the people running the those machines, the people inspecting the knives, the people designing theses knives, the people that put the knives together, the people that market these knives, the people that sell these knives to dealers, the people that manage the people that are doing all these jobs. The bottoms line is the product they all help produce and sell has to pay all the employes and keep the factory running while still making a profit. The raw materials pale in comparison to the cost of manufacturing. Proof and point? An ESEE jungles costs about $130 with no sheath, 1095, 10" blade, 16.5" over all, and micarta handles. A custom made knife from a maker of good reputation could cost three times more for a knife with the exact same materials and specifications. have a good night sir, that's just my opinion.

Peace

Kirby
 
Blade-fiend said:
so then what is the cheap brand being made in the CRK factory or the hinderer factory?
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i don't know the answer to this my friend, but I do know there's got to be a knife company that makes on par quality knives as the companies that are charging higher prices. This is what I'm searching for.
 
blixxx said:
i don't know the answer to this my friend, but I do know there's got to be a knife company that makes on par quality knives as the companies that are charging higher prices. This is what I'm searching for.
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Fantoni
 
Simple business. If a company can sell all that it produces, then the product is not over priced.
 
the ones on par with say a $400 knife, also cost $400. there is no way you can expect a leek or a mini grip to have the same degree of quality as a sebenza or an XM-18. To even hope for this to happen is complete nonsense. To simply say they should charge less for these quality knives is ignorant. Companies making knives with such high price tags don't just pick numbers out of a had, it takes a lot of planning and research to make sure you are charging the least amount for a product while still making the profit you hope for and maintaining the supply/demand.
 
I just got a Kershaw Chill. Great quality knife and I don't really care if other companies sell a flipper for a whole lot more. To each his own.
I Chilled and so should you!
 
blixxx said:
You might be in denial, my friend. We live in the USA, what's the name of the game CAPITALISM!!!

Did you know Kirkland brand vodka is made at the same distillery as Grey Goose but way way cheaper.
Did you know your 100% cotton tshirt from Kohl's is the same cotton they use for your Express Men tshirt but way way cheaper.

This is the USA, we're full of sheeple that pay high dollar for name brands and listen to Justine Bieber.

It's ridiculous to the think the knife market is not taking advantage of this also.
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Kirkland vodka might be made at the same distillery but that doesn't mean they use the same ingredients or processes. IMO Grey Goose is overhyped and overpriced vodka. For $40 a bottle I'd rather have something else, but that doesn't mean that it isn't better than the kirkland variety they also produce. Another example is that Ron Abuelo Centuria doesn't cost the same as Ron Abuelo añejo even though they're made by the same distillery. One is a blend of rums aged up to 30 years. The other is an ok añejo rum. For whiskey examples look at what Heaven Hill or Evan Williams produce. EW single barrel costs more than the bottom shelf green label and it tastes better too. YMMV

There's a lot of cost involved in making a product. Don't forget the legal fees for patents and IP law, insurance costs, and what it costs to pay all the workers including benefits. Don't forget about the warranty department employees that have to get paid. That is factored into the cost.

I'm sure Chris Reeve wants to make some money for his efforts. He may be paying for fancy high tech machinery, but that kind of machinery isn't cheap to get, isn't cheap to operate and maintain, and it costs a lot of money when it wears out and you have to buy new machinery.

If the cost of knives had to do only with the cost of raw materials I'm sure things would be different. As it is the cost of materials is usually far less than the cost of labor and machining.
 
KNaB said:
Regrettably, no. Just......misguided.
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His general posting style leads me to believe he's a troll. It's pretty obvious from the whole "you are all blind sheople who need to be enlightened by me" attitude that he's not interested in a constructive discussion. He just wants to get people riled up.
 
Hey guys, You're right! All knives are priced reasonably and no knife company is hiking up their prices...what was I thinking?

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Blade-fiend said:
the ones on par with say a $400 knife, also cost $400. there is no way you can expect a leek or a mini grip to have the same degree of quality as a sebenza or an XM-18. To even hope for this to happen is complete nonsense. To simply say they should charge less for these quality knives is ignorant. Companies making knives with such high price tags don't just pick numbers out of a had, it takes a lot of planning and research to make sure you are charging the least amount for a product while still making the profit you hope for and maintaining the supply/demand.
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depends what you mean by quality. you can find knives with equal or "better"blade steels, and equal or "better" components, all with impeccable fit and finish for one third of a Chris Reeve sebenza.

the CR generally is only "better" in two or three areas, none of which are performance related. Extremely tight tolerances(usually unobservable to the naked eye), ease of tear down and maintenance, and spa treatment. some people value these more than all out performance, and that's why it is worth it to them. Others don't, and opt for a much cheaper knife with comparable materials which might be more capable workhorses. Neither is wrong or right.

It's hard to compare a typical luxury super car to an Ariel Atom. the atom is a fraction of the cost of any super car, and will usually be much quicker on a track. but many people would rather pay the extra for the frills of the Ferrari, as well as the prestige of the name, than simply have an all out track ready Atom.
 
blixxx said:
You might be in denial, my friend. We live in the USA, what's the name of the game CAPITALISM!!!

Did you know Kirkland brand vodka is made at the same distillery as Grey Goose but way way cheaper.
Did you know your 100% cotton tshirt from Kohl's is the same cotton they use for your Express Men tshirt but way way cheaper.

This is the USA, we're full of sheeple that pay high dollar for name brands and listen to Justine Bieber.

It's ridiculous to the think the knife market is not taking advantage of this also.
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You are a wonderful troll, and I commend you for doing an excellent job at a time when most trolls are simply terrible and easy to spot. Unfortunately, Bladeforums is a serious forum, and as such, does not see the beauty of disorder. Therefore, I shall join my fellow forum-goers and wag my finger at you in a condescending manner, for trolling is not welcome here.
 
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