Destructive Knife Steel Testing . . .

TheTip said:
6. Skrama is a great knife, with differentially heat treated carbon steel (somehow similar to what SR-101 was, I think), which seems to have a great combination of sharpness, size, usability, edge retention, and durability. However, its design is very specialized, with large width, and a wide angle tip that is not designed for deep penetration nor tactical usage (and I think that design had a good contribution to tip strength, at the cost of penetrability). It is a significantly better and more respectable performer than the CS 1055 machetes. However, looking at the Skrama 240 and 200 tests by JoeX, it doesn't seem obvious to me that they resisted more than the Busse's, because they have been tested slightly different (visibly different force applied striking the metal rod, and the 240 was moved to the metal rod without passing through the brick test first). As regards edge retention (in any sort of material), although I have never used a Skrama yet, I don't think its 80CrV2 steel outperforms my SK-5 blades, which are about 3 times faster wearing than my current favorite big blade (a Free Rein Wakizashi in SR-3V).

If you want to make a point sending JoeX another knife to test, that should be a Fat Game Warden.
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The skrama did not perform better than Busse in his test even without taking into account his bias for the skrama. We counted the hits and the skrama failed earlier, by quite a bit. But the skrama is also a lot cheaper at $115(with a handle).

As for sending joe any more knives. Why? there is literally nothing to be gained by sending knives to someone who is trying to proves non euro expensive knives are crap. He is 100% inconsistent in his testing and he is totally biased. Seems to me that his tests are more entertainment than anything else. The fact that he screams about lillys knife which got the feather duster treatment, by comparison, says it all.
 
Cobalt said:
The skrama did not perform better than Busse in his test even without taking into account his bias for the skrama. We counted the hits and the skrama failed earlier, by quite a bit. But the skrama is also a lot cheaper at $115(with a handle).

As for sending joe any more knives. Why? there is literally nothing to be gained by sending knives to someone who is trying to proves non euro expensive knives are crap. He is 100% inconsistent in his testing and he is totally biased. Seems to me that his tests are more entertainment than anything else. The fact that he screams about lillys knife which got the feather duster treatment, by comparison, says it all.
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Amen 🙏
That's it. That's the bottom line on joex
 
Cobalt said:
The skrama did not perform better than Busse in his test even without taking into account his bias for the skrama. We counted the hits and the skrama failed earlier, by quite a bit. But the skrama is also a lot cheaper at $115(with a handle).

As for sending joe any more knives. Why? there is literally nothing to be gained by sending knives to someone who is trying to proves non euro expensive knives are crap. He is 100% inconsistent in his testing and he is totally biased. Seems to me that his tests are more entertainment than anything else. The fact that he screams about lillys knife which got the feather duster treatment, by comparison, says it all.
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I watched all the destruction tests by JoeX several times and to me it was no shock at all that the Busse knives break, I anticipated that from the start that they were going to break but the shocking part was the deterioration process during the destruction especially the edge hitting the stone. For a top of the line knife that is marketed as one of the toughest - Busse AFBM I was expecting the edge would dull and roll against the stone and not start chipping and fragmenting like a clay pigeon. When we compared that to Terava Skrama 240 testing, it took a ton of abuse on bending with the tip stuck in the log, full weight force but after that he moved to the brick/stone test and the edge wasn't chipping and breaking as bad as AFBM did. Considering the Skrama costs 70 euro and AFBM ten times more at 700+ Euro a non-biased consumer/buyer could come to a conclusion that Skrama 240 did lot better and certainly is lot more bang for the buck.
I fully endorse Jerry and team to start pounding their blades through some serious tests showing what INFI is truly capable of. Not sure how scientific vision Jerry has in mind as his knifes are used in woods and in the field, sometimes even by drunkard, not in the laboratory. I also remember that on the Busse website there was a comment in the INFI procedures that each blade is scanned for microfractures before its sold to the buyer. I think that at current volume of production that is no longer true either. As a buyer and owner of Busse knives I don't want to see INFI chipping so badly and till I see a valid proof from producer my appetite for buying more INFI is nil. Till then I have couple of Skrama 240s laying around.
 
Newazzkikr said:
I watched all the destruction tests by JoeX several times and to me it was no shock at all that the Busse knives break, I anticipated that from the start that they were going to break but the shocking part was the deterioration process during the destruction especially the edge hitting the stone. For a top of the line knife that is marketed as one of the toughest - Busse AFBM I was expecting the edge would dull and roll against the stone and not start chipping and fragmenting like a clay pigeon. When we compared that to Terava Skrama 240 testing, it took a ton of abuse on bending with the tip stuck in the log, full weight force but after that he moved to the brick/stone test and the edge wasn't chipping and breaking as bad as AFBM did. Considering the Skrama costs 70 euro and AFBM ten times more at 700+ Euro a non-biased consumer/buyer could come to a conclusion that Skrama 240 did lot better and certainly is lot more bang for the buck.
I fully endorse Jerry and team to start pounding their blades through some serious tests showing what INFI is truly capable of. Not sure how scientific vision Jerry has in mind as his knifes are used in woods and in the field, sometimes even by drunkard, not in the laboratory. I also remember that on the Busse website there was a comment in the INFI procedures that each blade is scanned for microfractures before its sold to the buyer. I think that at current volume of production that is no longer true either. As a buyer and owner of Busse knives I don't want to see INFI chipping so badly and till I see a valid proof from producer my appetite for buying more INFI is nil. Till then I have couple of Skrama 240s laying around.
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Actually the skrama failed well before the busse. Not sure you read this whole thread. The skrama is also a low saber grind with considerably more metal going down to the edge. But we've been over this already. And what you dont understand is that there is no ability to repeat the testing for any knife as he goes back and forth hits one knife hard and another soft. So it is nearly impossible to glean anything except the knife broke. No one can repeat his test. So your conclusions are an opinion not based in fact. But we can say the knife broke. The ASH2 did much better. The mora did excellent because there is no way to get aneugh power behind the swing to hit anything hard so the test on the mora is literally worthless and dumb. The skrama has almost no point so it has metal to the end. Yet you think it can be compared to knives that go to a very thin point. The only manufacturer that that wanted to study the pieces was busse. No one else cares. And HoeX was going to return the pieces but after jerry called him and told him to remove any derogatory remarks about his family, he acted like a child and basically said , no pussey paaaats fo u pusssey. So he has no interest in studying damage his only interest is in clickbait and proving cheap euro knives are better with easily skewed testing. That much is obvious. Send me a skrama and I can easily make it look like trash compared to any knife. I can swing it at a rock at full power and then get a cheap pakistani blade and hit it softly and make it look better.
 
Cobalt said:
Skrama, failure. Only doing what Busses and esees and others do on a daily basis. Lmao. What trash.
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It seems this is the stainless steel version no?
So it's not comparable to the 80CrV2 version used in JoeX video.
Also we don't see the failure of the blade in the video, it's only a discussion about it.
So one more time it's not comparable to what is directly shown in JoeX video.

I'm not here to defend the Skrama model (IMHO it's an hideous knife) but the videos you posted are irrelevant.
 
I don’t see it as irrelevant, not honeycrisp apples to honeycrisp apples but more like Granny Smith to Honey Crisp. It’s still same company, knife, geometry, etc.

People tend to paint with broad strokes. A knife fails then everything that company produces is crap.
 
Notice how he says “take it home and see what the warranty says about this”

When you buy a Busse you already KNOW what the warranty deal is. You buy with confidence and remain to have that same level of confidence. No worrying about if the warranty will come through. You’re covered, and on top of being covered you’re treated with great hospitality.

To me that’s worth plenty.
 
patrickguignot said:
It seems this is the stainless steel version no?
So it's not comparable to the 80CrV2 version used in JoeX video.
Also we don't see the failure of the blade in the video, it's only a discussion about it.
So one more time it's not comparable to what is directly shown in JoeX video.

I'm not here to defend the Skrama model (IMHO it's an hideous knife) but the videos you posted are irrelevant.
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Yeah it isnt coated so it is stainless. And if u look in the comments, lots of people having problems.

Here is the carbon steel one
 
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patrickguignot said:
Also we don't see the failure of the blade in the video, it's only a discussion about it.
So one more time it's not comparable to what is directly shown in JoeX video.

I'm not here to defend the Skrama model (IMHO it's an hideous knife) but the videos you posted are irrelevant.
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Nothing is really comparable to the JoeX videos. That’s what some folks are trying to point out.

The video about the Skrama failure, like the JoeX videos, isn’t repeatable, but assuming the person isn’t being deceitful, (an assumption that we must make about JoeX as well), this failure is a very valid data point, and completely relevant.

I would assert that the Skrama failure video is in a sense actually MORE relevant than the JoeX videos in that the knife failed doing the type of tasks that most of us would expect a survival knife to perform. If I’d seen a bunch of people showing their rolled Busse edges and saying that it happened while chopping twigs in the cold I really don’t think I’d have bought one. But those videos aren’t out there, (in part because Busse knows enough not to put a Scandi edge on a chopper). ;)
 
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I just want to add a genuine rip to Joe X.

I don't think another person will get out segment of the market talking like this for quite some time and although his testing did bring the utterly uninformed to jump to some silly conclusions- a problem that Joe didn't help himself, it did get the uninformed and uninterested involved and open a channel for people to at least begin becoming educated as discussion and arguments went back and forth.

Today I dumped a red bull for his channel.
 
If anyone hasnt heard on here : his videos were removed from youtube and he made a farewell video .If you see that video he claims blackmail and lack of freedom of speech : maybe the Austrian authorities stopped him ? Thats kinda what it sounded like ? Who knows ? Well,i guess thats the end…
 
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