Destructive Knife Steel Testing . . .

Fumetsu said:
So he just posted this on his youtube

For those who don't want to click the link -

Jerry BUSSE wrote me! U all need to read this!!!! @BusseKnifeGroup

I just read where you are leaving YouTube. I am very sorry to hear this. We had planned on sending you a couple of the knives that we had discussed earlier for your testing. These models have their geometry tuned for your intended use, and I have no doubts that you will be blown away by the toughness and overall performance of INFI. We are currently in the process of making these blades and they should be ready to ship in approximately 6-12 weeks. I realize that you are no longer making videos for the public, but if you are still interested in breaking some blades just for fun, then we would love to hear your feedback. We don't need your tests to be filmed because your feedback will only be used for our internal research purposes, NOT for advertising. We will NOT mention your name or that you did any of the testing. If you would like to have a couple of these knives for your own personal use after testing, we would be happy to send you some. To be clear, these "personal use knives" are not meant to be a payment of any sort, just a thank you for your time.We are looking for your honest opinion and believe there is much value in your feedback. If this sounds like something that you might still be interested in, please let me know. If not, I wish you all the best in your future endeavors,

Jerry Busse
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Which is awesome. But this has done nothing to satiate his rabid fanbase who continue to accuse Jerry of being the cause of all of this. This whole situation has gotten entirely out of hand and I don't even know what Joe intended by posting this. At first glance it seems that he is trying to show his followers that Busse is a stand up business, but on the same breath he goes and pins a comment and likes it, of a fan of his accusing BKG of being the cause of all of this.



If Joex's post regarding Jerry's email was in good spirit I doubt he'd like comments like this



There are other less than stellar, outright rude remarks and unfounded accusations in the comments of his post.

I just wish the drama would stop and we could get back to liking knives.

With all that being said - I only have one thing to say to Joex



Edit: I had AI make this picture to sum up my feelings as a whole.

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I hadn't noticed these; thanks for posting.


There are 2 things to be noted here:

1) I wouldn't trust the test against specifically designed knives for that purpose. Especially with INFI (whose composition is secret) nobody can guarantee that it will be the same INFI that is used in mass produced knives. I would like to see more scientific testing, but against randomly picked mass produced knives, or otherwise it won't have any relevance (at least for me as a consumer).

2) It is interesting to keep a watch on Joe X to see if he comes back public with his videos again. If he does, it probably means that he staged all this situation himself to enhance his popularity. He did something similar about 1 year ago, when he hided all of his videos from public access for a few days and without giving any detail about the "why" (he just said something like "that's over").

3) It was not Youtube who attacked him (that's for sure), because I know how Google proceeds when they do that to a channel. He would have had no chance to post anything anymore and he would have probably had all his Android devices also blocked until issuing an official letter to Google to negotiate for unblocking the devices (they might have unlocked them, but not the channel). You can see that he posted that bye-bye video afterwards, from the same channel, so it wasn't a strike from Google & YT. Also if you watch his playlists, you notice that the videos are not deleted, but only hidden from public access. So I suspect two possible things: either Busse or one of their relatives did him something, or Joe X himself staged all this. I am personally watching this story till the end to decide which of the two I need to hate more (just kiddin' :D).
 
TheTip said:
1) I wouldn't trust the test against specifically designed knives for that purpose. Especially with INFI (whose composition is secret) nobody can guarantee that it will be the same INFI that is used in mass produced knives. I would like to see more scientific testing, but against randomly picked mass produced knives, or otherwise it won't have any relevance (at least for me as a consumer).
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I think the point of blades more oriented towards Joe, was that he tested a very large assortment of them. They all have different edge geometry, grinds etc. I think it more than fair that a few thicker blades are tested, as the Busse that were tested were very thin and designed for chopping/slicing, not durability, whereas some of the knives that did well and are praised have nothing to do with the steel, but more the fact they were giant sharpened prybars. And if put on the same footing, I am more than sure INFI would not only match but surpass their performance in spades.

In regards to him hiding the videos, it does not appear to be an action a man would take if he were really in his predicament that he claims he is in. It's as you've stated, and it looks as if he has intentions of some grand comeback or reveal. I guess time will tell.

I think Busse had nothing to do with this. They've made a great effort to support what he does, and his channel, DESPITE the rude, obnoxious, antics Joe has shown in return. In my opinion, in his later videos, the man shows a complete lack of class, and any sort of common decency. His ego got to his head, and he became the persona his fans wanted.
 
Fumetsu said:
...I think Busse had nothing to do with this...
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I agree with you. Twice or more in his vid, he refers to his pursuers in the plural: "haters" and the "people" who wanted to cancel him. Between this and him being pretty non-specific, I'm thinking there's more to this story than meets the eye.

There's not a man out there who thinks he's been horribly wronged and then doesn't want to tell his story to the world, especially a man with a platform to do so.
 
I still think that it seems that state or local authorities approached him and told him to take down the videos: maybe they didnt want the Austrian people to be portrayed as ranting cursing drunks?The way things are these days anything is possible . I cant imagine Tops Busse or Esee(who got the most heat in the last month) would contact youtube and tell them he is badmouthing us , then youtube contacting Joe X and telling him to remove his videos : its rediculous : and i cant imagine these companies contacting someone or state / local who knows who in Austria and tell them they gotta make this guy whos doing knife videos remove them : thats just as rediculous : he mentioned freedom of speech and that where he is he seems to be not being allowed to continue . Who knows the whole thing is very weird , how it ended so abruptly …
 
Newazzkikr said:
I watched all the destruction tests by JoeX several times and to me it was no shock at all that the Busse knives break, I anticipated that from the start that they were going to break but the shocking part was the deterioration process during the destruction especially the edge hitting the stone. For a top of the line knife that is marketed as one of the toughest - Busse AFBM I was expecting the edge would dull and roll against the stone and not start chipping and fragmenting like a clay pigeon. When we compared that to Terava Skrama 240 testing, it took a ton of abuse on bending with the tip stuck in the log, full weight force but after that he moved to the brick/stone test and the edge wasn't chipping and breaking as bad as AFBM did. Considering the Skrama costs 70 euro and AFBM ten times more at 700+ Euro a non-biased consumer/buyer could come to a conclusion that Skrama 240 did lot better and certainly is lot more bang for the buck.
I fully endorse Jerry and team to start pounding their blades through some serious tests showing what INFI is truly capable of. Not sure how scientific vision Jerry has in mind as his knifes are used in woods and in the field, sometimes even by drunkard, not in the laboratory. I also remember that on the Busse website there was a comment in the INFI procedures that each blade is scanned for microfractures before its sold to the buyer. I think that at current volume of production that is no longer true either. As a buyer and owner of Busse knives I don't want to see INFI chipping so badly and till I see a valid proof from producer my appetite for buying more INFI is nil. Till then I have couple of Skrama 240s laying around.
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Amen.
 
Sometimes we like comments from our favorite/ best supporters even if you only like part of what they say.

That commentor in particular is pretty prolific and he has good intentions.

The fact that we are talking is valuable- the situation Joe is in isn't a farce, and he isn't happy about it. He is cryptic because he has to be.

I have been talking a lot about using Joe's work for positive and I have done a bit, I'll make some content today.
 
TheTip said:
So I suspect two possible things: either Busse or one of their relatives did him something, or Joe X himself staged all this.
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Sorry if this may seem a bit nit picky, but to even suggest that Busse had something to do with this and not the hundreds of angry Cold steel customers, very pissed off Bark River customers, Tops customers or TRC customers is the reason this conspiracy is gaining ground on absolutely zero evidence.

Every time someone suggests Busse had a role in this, they’re feeding into an imaginary war between Jerry and Joe and spreading this “idea” whether you mean to or not.

Just my 2c. I’m also interested in how this will play out.
 
That stick man from Cold Steel made a positive comment to him; big companies like that are not going to try to stop someone on youtube for expressing their opinion, if that was the case that Nick Shabazz and the other nitpickers would all be gone. But for commenters saying it was the gang at bladeforums who had him shut down is just as stupid.The knife world has become a circus in the last 10 years, with all this bombproof, toughest strongest most indestructible nonsense.Ive seen all those survival shows that have been on the last 10 years,no one ever broke a blade or machete, and some of their blades were tin cans, like the sog-fari.Thats why i always thought Joe X testing was rediculous,but i didnt mind that he was on there,and didnt want him to get booted....
 
Cobalt said:
Maybe so, but if you look at the comments in that second video of the 80crv2 skrama, there is a bunch of people having problems.
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Yes, having problems with the Skrama. Not necessarily with 80crv2.

Regarding well heat treated 80crv2, check Pirate Forge on Instagram. He makes superb knives and swords in that steel and In Aebl. I never tested any, but they seems to be pretty good.
 
willmtn1 said:
JoeX got his own channel shut down by running his mouth and feeding the trolls.

If he had stuck to breaking knives and not running his mouth he'd still have a channel.
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You speak with a WHOLE lot of confidence given the amount of public information available.


Unless... you have secret info that we aren't privy to?
 
I loved JOEX's videos as spectacle and sort of as testing (obviously it wasn't scientific, but there were lessons in there).

I strongly suspect someone reported his videos to his employers, and perhaps if there were minor illegalities (I have no idea what Austrian laws are), to the police. And it completely stands to reason that a fanboy of a particular company or otherwise offended individual did this. Just to be VERY clear I am in no way insinuating Busse, or a fan of Busse has played a role in whatever is happening behind the scenes. There were lots of fans of all companies who didn't like his videos and timing is correlation, not causation.
*just as a note there is very little chance a knife company/owner had anything to do with whatever is alleged to have happened. What company would want to open themselves to potential lawsuits etc.?

If the theory that this is all manufactured stands then I would never watch another video of his. But I believe him when he says people have begun interfering with his personal life. He sounded genuinely upset in the video.

Honestly I have no idea why anyone HATED his videos. They were just a dude banging knives against stuff until they broke. It was chimp-brain, "me smash real good," and sure that's not for everyone but it was unique. And while this chimp-brain testing was obviously far from scientific, I couldn't help but be impressed when something survived his gauntlet. I own several knives that did terribly in his testing and don't care. They are still of value to me. Some would just last longer being smashed against a rock than others.
 
beachmaster said:
You speak with a WHOLE lot of confidence given the amount of public information available.


Unless... you have secret info that we aren't privy to?
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It's arm chair speculating. If I was JoeX boss man and saw his drunken shit talking antics I'd shut him down too.

Breaking stuff is enough entertainment on it's own. Unfortunately it's also like pouring bacon grease on the dog food when the pack is hungry.
 
Joe X was always a buffoon,
Then he morphed into a douche.

His antics were stupid, and never came close to being tests.
He had obvious bias, and would denigrate one knife from a company he had an agenda against (like TOPS), while praising another knife that broke the exact same way doing the exact same thing.

I watched a few of his videos, but they were idiotic and a waste of my time, so I simply didn't watch them anymore. :)

I can understand how he morphed into such an annoying person though...
It is easy to believe you matter more than you do when you have legions of enablers screaming "You da man!!!" all the time.
And when your brand is based on being over the top, you keep having to up the stakes. And when you have already reached peak stupidity in your "testing", the only way to do that is to become ever more insufferably obnoxious.
 
stabman said:
Joe X was always a buffoon,
Then he morphed into a douche.
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This is funny and true. But I don't think someone just becomes a douche. They finally expose themselves. I find it interesting that none of his nut hugging fanboys had a problem with joe saying he was going to f someones wife, total piece of zhit. So his nuthugging fans are total pos's if they didnt have an issue with it. Then the idiot joe is getting drunk sloshing rum on his videos. You know his military chain of command saw the videos and basically slapped his balls back into his mouth.
 
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