Didn't somebody say a cougar couldn't take a dog?

WVHILLS said:
mountain lions on average weigh between 120-150 pounds with some even reaching 200lbs. I doubt that a 75-90lb german shepherd or black lab could compete
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You're right-they can't. Lion hounds that get too close to a cornered mt. lion often wind up cut up or dead. I posted this pic before but it shows that even on the low end of their size range, they're pretty big. Southern AZ. cats usually weigh less than those from the northern part of the state and cats from the Rocky Mountain states and Canada.

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That's one mean P.....you get my idea :p. Okay, bad joke, I'll leave it up for a little bit. Those are some tough cougers. The Cat family is my favorite species and seeing that mother cat taking on the grizzly was pretty amazing, really shows how fearless cats can be. My cats fend off my dogs all the time :D, of course they are small dogs (beagle and pikanese) so they leave the cats alone. I believe that a faithful, good size dog and a determined owner (the kind of owner that wouldn't run and leave their dog for dinner) could fend themselves if need be from an attack whether it be a big Cat or pack of wolves. Of course my idea is only one of those 1% chance of survival things, but it's still a possibility (my statistics are made up and exaggerated so nobody start flaming up my post just yet ;)).
 
I would be the last person to claim that any individual dog could stand a chance against a healthy adult cougar. That just won't happen - there is a reason cougars like dogs as a food source.

But...the videos can be a bit misleading. The second one is more of an example of relative motivation. That grizzly is only mildly interested in the cougar cub, while the mother cougar is obviously ready to put up a big fight. The bear wisely decided not to risk serious injury for a small meal. But if both have the same motivation, my money is on the grizzly. And if it had been a grizzly with a cub facing a hunting cougar, it would have ended badly for the cougar. The cougar may be quicker, but the grizzly is much more powerful.

Likewise, experienced pack hunters like wolves could have given that solitary young bear a real challenge, but at the risk of serious injury to one or more of their number. They, too, decided not to press the issue.
 
After reading this thread I decided to google "world's strongest dog" with interesting results. According to several sites, this dog is a whippet with a genetic defect that caused abnormal growth. Seems as though some sites inaccurately claim it as working for the Russian Special forces. Although this is the internet, who knows what is true.

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I saw that whippet article before, very creepy. Russians are probably trying to isolate that gene as we speak (for the next rocky movie, I hope)
 
Liam Ryan said:
I saw that whippet article before, very creepy. Russians are probably trying to isolate that gene as we speak (for the next rocky movie, I hope)
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speaking of rocky, maybe that dog will do a guest appearance in the new Rambo movie coming out on the 25th :D.
 
That cougar fighting off the bear looked like a pretty good size. Watching that video made me think of one of my favorite quotes by Iron Mike Tyson.."Everyone has a plan until they get hit." Or in the bear's case bit in the ear!

WVHills that dog is big and scary very awesome!
 
WVHILLS said:
maybe this dog...

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might be able to hang for a minute
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:eek:Holy #@%! ! Is does look like a small werewolf. :eek: That is one dog I don't want to mess with. I would say maybe it would hang for about a couple minutes, but no german shepard can hang for 30 seconds.
 
I want to see a dog like that double muscled like the whippet. That would unquestionably be the most badass canine ever.

I still wouldn't bet on it over a big cat, btw.
 
hardheart said:
could you link me to a thread where people thought differently, cause not a single person in that one did, although some wished they would.
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That is my take on that thread too, I didn't see anyone say a dog could whip a cougar. Chris
 
Gentlemen,

Firstly, the pictures above-posted are indeed of a Caucasian Mountain dog, or more propoerly termed, a Caucasian Ovcharka.

Pictures were taken during temperment testing to see what this individual's drive and ability to engage was. (As this is a working breed, guarding instinct must be natural and strong) I was the decoy, and the individual dog was Caucasian Legend's Balou (rip).

A couple more pics:

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They are indeed traditionally LGD's (Livestock Guardians) that have in recent history ben used as sentry guards.

THEY are NOT the "toughest breed" of dog... Whatever the hell that means.. They are very effective deterents and proven manstoppers, but are also a HUGE liability waiting to happen in the wrong hands...

Now, as far as Cougars...

In Argentina, there is a specialist dog breed, the Dogo argentino, whom was bred as a catch dog for both Boar and Puma.

Both in testing in a pen for young dogs before being brought into the woods ("Prueba de Campo"... "Proof of courage") as well as in actual hunting, a single Dogo has mastered and killed a single Puma many times.

One must keep in mind that these encounters usually result in extreme injury to the dog even if he comes away victorious.

In testing, the dog would not kill the cat, but master it to the ground. When the cat shows signs of submission, he would be split from the dog and the test concluded.

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In hunting, the dog sometimes does finish the Puma, sometimes the hunter does.

One should keep in mind however, that Argentina's Pumas and North America's Mountain Lions are not nearly of the same size, the North American counterpart being significantly larger.

There have been reports of APBT's and AB's (American Pitbull Terrier and American Bulldog) killing Mountain Lion historically in the US. (Pete Sparks, publisher of the now defunct American Gamedog Times had a 40-50 pound APBT whom had killed a cat on record.) but the odds are significantly AGAINST the dog, going uphill against a bigger opponent.
 
Wow. I can't imagine being confident in a dog vs cougar fight. I'd be worried as hell about my dog, and trying to get a clean shot before it got its head ripped off.
 
That caucasion looks like something from Van Helsing! I was saying in my feral dog thread that when I encountered a pack of dogs that I wanted a gun, I am revising that, if there are caucasions involved, I want a M60crewserve weapon....
 
hardheart said:
could you link me to a thread where people thought differently, cause not a single person in that one did, although some wished they would.
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Not sure about the thread in question, my response was to this thread alone.
 
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