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Didn't somebody say a cougar couldn't take a dog?
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I have a Rhodesian Ridgeback and that breed was used in packs to hunt lions in africa. They would souround the lion and keep it at bay until the owner showed up to shoot it.
Also the American Bulldog can be like 125lbs easy and are pure muscle and thick bone. They have a bite that can latch on and NOT let go. I'm not saying that one individual dog could fight an animal that hasnt been bred down to be more docile however I think its easy to assume that a few dogs could put up a very good fight against a Mountain Lion.
Also the American Bulldog can be like 125lbs easy and are pure muscle and thick bone. They have a bite that can latch on and NOT let go. I'm not saying that one individual dog could fight an animal that hasnt been bred down to be more docile however I think its easy to assume that a few dogs could put up a very good fight against a Mountain Lion.
WORKING American Bulldogs rarelly, if ever, go over the 90 pound mark. Sure, there are plently of huge Johnson type AB's out there, but the standard, performance-bred AB's are not nearly that big.
A 125 lb. dog would never have the stamina needed for long-trem catch-work, and would have a hard time staying out of it's own way.
Remeber, It's not the size of the dog, it's the size of the heart in the dog.
My own, performance bred American Bulldog "Zero" of Contender:
Yes this is true, I didnt mean to spread "incorrect" information about the breed. However nobody pointed out these breeds so I figured I would mention them.
I was looking into getting an American Bulldog however my apartment at the time had a 60lb weight limit for dogs and since they are so thick it was hard to find one that light. American Bulldogs are an amazing breed very sweet but very tough.
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"Appears to be some strange spawn from it's handler."
That's one of the funniest things I have read in a long time. I bet the cougar would have more bite force that most dogs, having to use the suffocation method on much larger prey that the domesticated dog. That and the claws would make the cougar pretty much the victor.
That's one of the funniest things I have read in a long time. I bet the cougar would have more bite force that most dogs, having to use the suffocation method on much larger prey that the domesticated dog. That and the claws would make the cougar pretty much the victor.
GB
That is big!
Poor Kitty got something caught in his throat.
Cletus is trying to give the cat the Heimlich maneuver while Ol'Blue is given the feline the "hind lick" maneuver.
I've had a bullmastiff, and a Old English Mastiff. I believe these dogs weren't really totally chanceless.
My friend owns a very strong 90 kg Mastino (Neapolitan Mastiff). In fact I believe this dog might have a chance to win a fight against a cougar. In the past the Mastino was bred to fight lions... (I don't like the looks of this dog, but the fact that the skin is loose on the body is certainly a plus in any fighting situation)
But if I had to put money on a cougar or a average big dog, I would certainly favour the cougar.
My friend owns a very strong 90 kg Mastino (Neapolitan Mastiff). In fact I believe this dog might have a chance to win a fight against a cougar. In the past the Mastino was bred to fight lions... (I don't like the looks of this dog, but the fact that the skin is loose on the body is certainly a plus in any fighting situation)
But if I had to put money on a cougar or a average big dog, I would certainly favour the cougar.
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Gentlemen,
Firstly, the pictures above-posted are indeed of a Caucasian Mountain dog, or more propoerly termed, a Caucasian Ovcharka.
Pictures were taken during temperment testing to see what this individual's drive and ability to engage was. (As this is a working breed, guarding instinct must be natural and strong) I was the decoy, and the individual dog was Caucasian Legend's Balou (rip).
A couple more pics:
They are indeed traditionally LGD's (Livestock Guardians) that have in recent history ben used as sentry guards.
THEY are NOT the "toughest breed" of dog... Whatever the hell that means.. They are very effective deterents and proven manstoppers, but are also a HUGE liability waiting to happen in the wrong hands...
Now, as far as Cougars...
In Argentina, there is a specialist dog breed, the Dogo argentino, whom was bred as a catch dog for both Boar and Puma.
Both in testing in a pen for young dogs before being brought into the woods ("Prueba de Campo"... "Proof of courage") as well as in actual hunting, a single Dogo has mastered and killed a single Puma many times.
One must keep in mind that these encounters usually result in extreme injury to the dog even if he comes away victorious.
In testing, the dog would not kill the cat, but master it to the ground. When the cat shows signs of submission, he would be split from the dog and the test concluded.
In hunting, the dog sometimes does finish the Puma, sometimes the hunter does.
One should keep in mind however, that Argentina's Pumas and North America's Mountain Lions are not nearly of the same size, the North American counterpart being significantly larger.
There have been reports of APBT's and AB's (American Pitbull Terrier and American Bulldog) killing Mountain Lion historically in the US. (Pete Sparks, publisher of the now defunct American Gamedog Times had a 40-50 pound APBT whom had killed a cat on record.) but the odds are significantly AGAINST the dog, going uphill against a bigger opponent.
Interesting pic. Do you know the weight on the cat on the chain? Like most cats, mt. lions typically ambush their prey, muzzling a larger animal while biting the neck and/or skull. They lose the element of surprise in a confrontation and fighting is a last resort. Eating is their goal. I've heard about the Fila Brazileiro (Brazilian Mastiff), Presa Canario (Canary Island Dog), Dogo Argentino (Argentinean Mastiff) and some of these dogs are impressive and could probably hold their own for a while in a confrontation with a lion. Jaguar? No. Where things get tough for dogs is that lions not only have canines but a "chainsaw" attached to each of their feet.
Pumas, cougars and mt. lions are the same species. They seem to get heavier in the northern climates.
GB
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My money would be on the cougar, in the cougar vs. dog fight. I think in a one on one fight, the cougar would win. As for the grizzly vs. cougar with cubs video, I don't think that grizzly's heart was in the fight. These large predators don't always get into fights unless necessary (ie. real hungry, territorial, or defending young). I read once that instinctively many of these predators won't get into some fights because they fear getting a wound (even a small one) that could get infected and cause them death. Maybe this grizzly just wasn't that hungry. I also read that a grizzly can sometimes kill a buffalo with one swipe breaking its spine. Like someone said earlier, if the grizzly was defending her own cubs against the cougar's attack, I think you would see a totally different situation, and I for one would not want to be anywhere in the vacinity of that cougar.
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Does anyone think that a mountain lion would actually stay and fight any dog. I think if one were out in the wildernes with your dog that the flight mode would take over and that a mountain lion would take off from any barking and aggressive dog. The other scenario of a mountain lion stalking a dog and attacking it for a meal from behind I think would be the end of any dog. Any example of a wild cat actually fighting a dog probably only happens when the cat is caged and can't escape or is surrounded by a pack or an attacking Dogo in which case it is trying it's best to get the hell out of there.
I think it would stay if it were hungry enough, especially if it had cubs to feed.
I watched a video once of hyenas doing something as a pack that I found irresistibly hilarious. About a half dozen of them were threatening a lion. How they did this was they stood shoulder to shoulder as tightly packed together as they could and slowly advanced headon like a wall.
Can you imagine breaking into someone's house, turning a corner, and being confronted by a solid freaking wall of crazy dogs? That would be the most unforgettable second in any criminal's career.
Edit: Does anyone know what kind of primate that is on the leash?
Can you imagine breaking into someone's house, turning a corner, and being confronted by a solid freaking wall of crazy dogs? That would be the most unforgettable second in any criminal's career.
Edit: Does anyone know what kind of primate that is on the leash?
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No, they're in their own Family and the resemblance to dogs is just that. I've never seen a pic like that before.
Baboons are incredibly powerful and they are the last thing you would want in the neighborhood. Thanks for posting.
GB
Bandogge,sir,you wrote that the CO was not the "toughest breed" of dogs,I'm curious what breed you do consider the "toughest"?Nice looking AB,my wife and I are looking to get a dog,we have a 3 year old child,do you consider an AB a good choice?Gentlemen,
Firstly, the pictures above-posted are indeed of a Caucasian Mountain dog, or more propoerly termed, a Caucasian Ovcharka.
Pictures were taken during temperment testing to see what this individual's drive and ability to engage was. (As this is a working breed, guarding instinct must be natural and strong) I was the decoy, and the individual dog was Caucasian Legend's Balou (rip).
A couple more pics:
They are indeed traditionally LGD's (Livestock Guardians) that have in recent history ben used as sentry guards.
THEY are NOT the "toughest breed" of dog... Whatever the hell that means.. They are very effective deterents and proven manstoppers, but are also a HUGE liability waiting to happen in the wrong hands...
Now, as far as Cougars...
In Argentina, there is a specialist dog breed, the Dogo argentino, whom was bred as a catch dog for both Boar and Puma.
Both in testing in a pen for young dogs before being brought into the woods ("Prueba de Campo"... "Proof of courage") as well as in actual hunting, a single Dogo has mastered and killed a single Puma many times.
One must keep in mind that these encounters usually result in extreme injury to the dog even if he comes away victorious.
In testing, the dog would not kill the cat, but master it to the ground. When the cat shows signs of submission, he would be split from the dog and the test concluded.
In hunting, the dog sometimes does finish the Puma, sometimes the hunter does.
One should keep in mind however, that Argentina's Pumas and North America's Mountain Lions are not nearly of the same size, the North American counterpart being significantly larger.
There have been reports of APBT's and AB's (American Pitbull Terrier and American Bulldog) killing Mountain Lion historically in the US. (Pete Sparks, publisher of the now defunct American Gamedog Times had a 40-50 pound APBT whom had killed a cat on record.) but the odds are significantly AGAINST the dog, going uphill against a bigger opponent.