Different Steel for Busse knives?

nozh2002

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I am wondering why Busse can not produce same models out of different steels?

So far it is only Swamp Rat and Scrap Yard have SR101 and SR77 - but it is still different knives. I think there is a huge market for Game Warden, the way it made by Busse, but with SR101 as well as SR77.

I do not see why we can not have small models with ZDP-189 or YXR7 or CPM 10V or UHB17Va...

So far Busse has exceptional success with big variety of handles, colors etc. I think if you multiply this variety on variety of steels it may have even greater success.

I like to have Game Warden made from ZDP189 then from SRS-15 ten from M2... With same QA and CS and everything Busse known for.

Thanks, Vassili.
 
Infi is a signature for Busse. I don't think it would be the same.

Besides, isn't Infi superior to all those other types?
 
Besides, isn't Infi superior to all those other types?

No.

Thanks, Vassili.



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nozh2002, you might have better luck getting an answer from Jerry if you were to email him directly... Or better yet, perhaps you should consider getting into the knife making business. You seem to have considerable knowledge of different steels, and you certainly have some serious sharpening skills. I don't believe that Jerry will use anything different until he believes that he's found something better than INFI using the criteria that he considers when choosing his material.

Please don't take this as criticism, or making fun... If you started making knives, I'd probably buy one or more to see how I liked it compared to Busse's.
 
Actually, I believe infi is a better all around steel when compared to ZDP-189 or YXR7 or CPM 10V or UHB17Va ... No question about that..
 
Good one Vassili:thumbup::D

You speak your mind, and it sometimes makes me chuckle:p
 
Well, I have some numbers to back it up. So this is not usual FanBoy of one steel against FanBoy of other steel.

But anyway this is not question of INFI superiority (it is pretty good steel, but not superior to any other), I just think Busse and we will only benefit from using other steels.

Thanks, Vassili.
 
nozh2002, you might have better luck getting an answer from Jerry if you were to email him directly... Or better yet, perhaps you should consider getting into the knife making business. You seem to have considerable knowledge of different steels, and you certainly have some serious sharpening skills. I don't believe that Jerry will use anything different until he believes that he's found something better than INFI using the criteria that he considers when choosing his material.

Please don't take this as criticism, or making fun... If you started making knives, I'd probably buy one to see how I liked it compared to Busse's.

Well, I may have those data for Jerry to consider different steels.

Thanks, Vassili.
 
Do you really not know that Busse is not going to do that:confused:

You have been around long enough to know better I would think.


I do like a person that speaks his mind though, esp you Vassili:thumbup:
 
I am wondering why Busse can not produce same models out of different steels?

What can any of us noodle-heads possibly do to help you with this? Seriously,you know that the only one on this forum who has any say in the matter is Boss Hog. How is this more productive than writing directly to Jerry?
 
Do you really not know that Busse is not going to do that:confused:

Why? Do not you see everybody jumping around some limited experimental limited edition of Busse Game Warden with Black/Orange G10 and CPM S90V?

I can imagine as everybody starts drooling after skunk show us some pictures and starts countdown in BCS for that one. I'll be first near the Trough. From collector point of view it will be almost like hard attack experience...

To me it will just add another dimension to all this variety Busse already have with different scales and blade finishes.

Thanks, Vassili.
 
I know you've seen this but I can't resist. ;)

Some facts and info about INFI.

Hardness
Although hardened INFI knives are 58-60 Rc we have yet been able to chip an edge. The edge can be dented or misaligned but its high level of malleability at such high hardness has never been duplicated by any other steel that we are aware of or have tested.

Flexibility
In one of our performance tests, we bend a Battle Mistress 35 degrees in a vise and it springs back to true. Why would we do this? What does it prove? What is the benefit to the customer? Not only does this test demonstrate the enormous toughness and lateral strength of an INFI blade but, because our hardness is homogenous and not differential, it demonstrates the amount of lateral strength and "spring" of INFI all the way to the edge. That means that edge of the blade will possess this same toughness. INFI is the only knife steel ever tested that has achieved such high levels of lateral strength with a homogenous hardness of 58 - 60 Rc. No other steel has even neared this performance level.

Edge Retention
Many so-called knife experts have heralded the "wear resistance" of a steel as the key to edge retention. This may very well be true if a knife is designed and intended for the cutting of soft materials ONLY. However, we have never inspected a dull knife and found the edge to be perfectly smoothed away, like a ball bearing. Instead what we find are microscopic chips where the edge has broken or chipped away like glass after having impacted against bone, gravel, or other hard surfaces. This micro chipping dictates that the edge be reground during the resharpening process, which will ultimately lead to a thicker edge and a radical change in overall blade shape. Steels with high wear resistance normally score fairly low in shock resistance, lateral strength, and overall toughness. INFI scores very high in ALL of these categories.

Sharpening
INFI's high level of chip resistance also makes it the easiest steel to resharpen by hand that we have ever encountered. I personally fall into the category of "hand sharpening challenged". I've heard tales of those who can sharpen ball peen hammers to a razor's edge on an Arkansas stone in less than 5 seconds flat. My experiences have always been to the contrary. The spine of the knife is usually sharper than the edge when I'm finished applying my magic stone sharpening technique. One of the great features of INFI is that simply stropping away from the edge (the way a barber strops a straight edged razor) on a ceramic stick is basically all that is required to resharpen INFI. Since you're not chipping steel off the edge there is no need to grind any steel away. This feature of INFI will, likewise, allow you to keep the same overall profile of the knife for a much greater period of time.

How does INFI compare to other steels?
Simple question, complex answer. INFI represents what I have always dreamed of in a knife steel. Tougher, by an enormous margin, than any other steel I've ever tested. Unparalleled edge holding under high impact and in cutting tests. Shock resistance that begs you to "bring it on". An ease of re-sharpening that you have to see to believe and higher levels of lateral strength at high hardness than have ever been achieved by any other steel. We have published our test results and our testing methodology. We have video taped all of these tests and play the video at the knife shows we attend. More importantly, we have duplicated these performance tests in "LIVE" demonstrations at many trade shows throughout the United States. We encourage all manufacturers to put their products through our tests and to publish their results. If you want to know how another maker's knife will compare to a Busse Combat knife, ask the other maker to duplicate our tests in a "live" demo.


Is INFI stainless?
Not supposed to be. However, INFI has demonstrated very high levels of stain resistance in many different climates. Uncoated blades have been tested for years in Alaska and have made their way into the wilds of British Columbia, the High Sierras and tropical rain forests. No rust in Alaska or British Columbia! No rust in the High Sierras, even when exposed to great quantities of blood and left in the wet grass overnight. The tropical rain forest, which has been known to rust plastic (just kidding), did offer the toughest of the environmental exposures and a light speckling of surface oxidation did occur but was easily removed in the field with a hand rubbing of sand and water. No deep pitting was reported. When compared to other cutlery steels in salt spray tests, INFI faired better than ATS-34 and D-2. Although all three grades exhibited surface oxidation, the INFI was not deeply pitted as was common in these other two grades. So, although INFI is not technically a stainless steel, it is certainly not a rust aggressive steel. Couple this with a minimal amount of care and you've got a fairly maintenance free knife.

With a steel like INFI it's easy to understand why we offer the toughest guarantee in the business. We guarantee against any and all unintentional MAJOR damage forever.

Jerry Busse

I'm not a steel expert as applied to blades. I know someone who is... I think he is a janitor now, though.
 
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