Different Steel for Busse knives?

leatherman said:
Its a spelling snafu bro, its Vassili :)

leatherHog, spreading sunshine wherever I go...... :p

Lets lighten the mood here, Nozh is just trying to rattle our cages, and he's darn good at it! ;)
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Oh brother. Those pesky Russians with their difficult to spell names. My faux pas. :foot: Too much going on at work, I'm trying to avoid it by hanging out here, and not really bringing my "A game" on either front.

Divide and conquer (my own self)!

On a separate note, why do folks always seem to get all wound up over these steel vs. steel threads? I love knives as much as the next guy, but c'mon. Let's be civil about this.

As Jerry would say:

LET'S DRINK!!!!

Oh, and for the record, nozh2002 does not appear to be a HOG. At least, he does not appear in Guyon's list. My mistake.
 
nozh2002 said:
OK, I will not rattle your cages any more. Sorry, for all the troubles.

Thanks, Vassili.
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Cobalt has explained three times now that you're not interpreting your own finding correctly. Your one response was to link to the "Test and Review" forum (I assume somewhere in there is the answer?) I'd like to know how you're interpreting these results when clearly it can be seen that you've proven the Game Warden is superior. :confused:
 
nozh2002 said:
Change your tone.

Thanks, Vassili.
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I'm not telling you what to do, so don't tell me what to do. I was only asking you to explain what about INFI didn't meet your needs. You knew what kind of response you would get here asking the question you did, so don't be so put off! :D


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Out of curiosity - what was gonna happen if randucci didn't change his tone?

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Grimspoon said:
What am I misisng here - why is everyone is throwing unwavering respect towards this guy even tho he's called out Jerry and his steel, and talks to other well respect members like this?




I haven't been around the forums long enough to have witnessed Vasili change water to wine, so whats the deal?
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i dont ever recall vassili posting as aggressively as he is in this thread. it is possible i am mistaken in my previous assessment.

he has always been somewhat short tempered, but his tone here is new to me.

i dont know.


....and my cage is way beyond rattled!!!! :p
 
nozh2002 said:
As an "edge retentionist" I think Game Warden only benefit from more edge resistance being small knife. I have to admit I used one as a chisel once, so toughness is also may be needed for all around knife, but I think to me will be best solution to have INFI Game Warden and Lauri PT GameWarden as well. Or may be Jerry talk to Juha Perttula, doctor in technology at Tampere University in Finland to learn how to do Progressive tempering for INFI so we may have INFI PT Game Warden?

I do not think some experimental runs with different steels will damage Busse business in any way.
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last comment first - it's not that it would lower their sales, it's that more knives would come back broken resulting in busse having to do more warrantee work. jerry has said previous (and pretty consistently month by month) that they are slammed with work.

any steel that can be readily broken by hand should not be used in a busse knife. It would be a detriment to the companies work flow, and it would go completely against the primary goal of the company, which is to make hard use knives.


now for the first comment about jerry talking to other people about how to heat treat his own steel... that raised the hair on the back of my neck, even though I know that it shouldn't. peer discussion is informative and useful.

jerry has stated that infi does not respond well to differential tempering or hardening because heat transfers through the matrix to easily. Infi retains toughness and chip resistence at 60rc - if chip resistence is lost, then the heat treating process should not be used by busse combat.

jerry's direct statement regarding differential tempering/hardening:
http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showpost.php?p=2350140&postcount=12

the only benefit of differentially tempering infi would be to maintain an spine rc of 58-60rc, while making the edge 62rc+. if infi loses its malleability at higher hardnesses, then it goes against busses primary goal.


on a theoretical level, and out of curiosity, I'd love to know what infi is like at 63-65rc. I'd love to know what kind of edge retention it displays. but I have no desire whatsoever for any knife to actually be produced like that from busse unless it can stand up to their warrantee.
 
MORIMOTOM said:
i dont ever recall vassili posting as aggressively as he is in this thread. it is possible i am mistaken in my previous assessment.

he has always been somewhat short tempered, but his tone here is new to me.

i dont know.


....and my cage is way beyond rattled!!!! :p
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I knew it! cage rattling is my specialty so I know when one is getting rattled. :D :p

By the threads I've read of his outside this forum his tone is about the same, rather condescending towards those "beneath" his realm. Like he said before it may be a cultural thing that makes it seem rather aggressive to American sensibilities.

I wonder why he cannot explain why INFI is inferior? :confused:
 
Going back to the original question, I find it easy to understand the business success of the Busse enterprise. I know a couple of people who built their businesses from scratch, are proud of it, and are satisfied with their continuing success. It's not always the goal to expand the lines of products at any cost, compete to wrest a bigger market share, staff a legal department, and run a fleet of company cars.

Sometimes, it may be sufficient to do a just a few things better than most, keep a hand in the whole process and enjoy the respect of loyal repeat customers. If Busse Combat finds a steel and process that is better than Infi, at a marketable cost that exceeds customers' expectations and does not have to be in direct competition with mass production, things may change. I have no way of knowing, yet I view the Busse warranty as a demonstration of the owner's character and pride in their products more than it is a marketing tool.

Anyone like to see Busse Combat on the NYSE, grow to the size of the corporate biggies so the name could be sold with offshore production of the lines not using Infi? It's happened before. If BC has that goal then that's fine, and it's also just fine if they just continue the path they are traveling today. Sometimes good enough is good enough just the way it is.
 
I would think that for Jerry to use different steels, he would have to change his warranty, to exclude anything other than INFI.

I would love to see a few thinner blades, like a 3mm game warden without a choil, and S30V or similar, but I would rather pay someone else to do it than have another thing to chase these buggers for :D
 
Why is this thread still going:confused:
people like me I guess:D


Lets all remember....INFI Rules!!! That's why we are here!
 
leatherman said:
I knew it! cage rattling is my specialty so I know when one is getting rattled. :D :p

By the threads I've read of his outside this forum his tone is about the same, rather condescending towards those "beneath" his realm. Like he said before it may be a cultural thing that makes it seem rather aggressive to American sensibilities.

I wonder why he cannot explain why INFI is inferior? :confused:
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well he can't explain it because by his own tests INFI is superior as I have already shown.
 
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