DLC/PVD Misinformation

The cleanliness of the facility is outstanding. I would love to tour, but alas NC is a bit too much of a drive :eek: Thanks for the pictures!
 
Ionbond said:
Many times material is loaded or deposited on top of the coatings, looking scratched..
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Darrell, great point, and most of the time I've seen complaints, this is the root cause. Elbow grease, acetone, WD-40, and Hoppe's #9 are my go-to solutions. Aluminum is a pesty deposit!
 
I will post comments when I return from watching Kentucky play College Football Today..

We maynot have much of a Football Team yet.. But watch out come Basketball Season... GO CATS...

Enjoy the Pictures and the Day..

Darrell
 
Very cool and thanks for the additional info Darrell. I'm looking forward to seeing your facility in Greensboro.
 
Amazing looking facility! January can't come soon enough! Thank you for your continued replies of information.
 
This is very interesting and I appreciate information.

Could you also speak to DLC as a relates to helping rust resistance?
 
rycen said:
This is very interesting and I appreciate information.

Could you also speak to DLC as a relates to helping rust resistance?
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NONE/ZERO/ZIP of the Family of Vacuum Deposited Coatings ARE GOOD Corrosion Barriers, That being said, these coatings can’t rust because these is no presents of Iron/Ferrite in the coating itself.. It’s a coating only 2-4 Microns in thickness with microscopic pin holes, corrosion can start there and on the cutting edge migrating under the coating causing rust…

The Benefit of coatings for corrosion is they absorb oil like a sponge, Maintain your knife, rinse it off from time to time and reapply a coat of oil, wipe dry and you’ll have Great Corrosion Protection…

We all want a knife that, Won't Rust, Light Weight, Stays Sharp forever, with the latest materials.. It doesn't exist, But were working on it... almost forgot.. For Under $100.00 Made in the USA...

Darrell
 
Ionbond said:
NONE/ZERO/ZIP of the Family of Vacuum Deposited Coatings ARE GOOD Corrosion Barriers, That being said, these coatings can’t rust because these is no presents of Iron/Ferrite in the coating itself.. It’s a coating only 2-4 Microns in thickness with microscopic pin holes, corrosion can start there and on the cutting edge migrating under the coating causing rust…

The Benefit of coatings for corrosion is they absorb oil like a sponge, Maintain your knife, rinse it off from time to time and reapply a coat of oil, wipe dry and you’ll have Great Corrosion Protection…

We all want a knife that, Won't Rust, Light Weight, Stays Sharp forever, with the latest materials.. It doesn't exist, But were working on it... almost forgot.. For Under $100.00 Made in the USA...

Darrell
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jeez...
 
Ionbond said:
NONE/ZERO/ZIP of the Family of Vacuum Deposited Coatings ARE GOOD Corrosion Barriers, That being said, these coatings can’t rust because these is no presents of Iron/Ferrite in the coating itself.. It’s a coating only 2-4 Microns in thickness with microscopic pin holes, corrosion can start there and on the cutting edge migrating under the coating causing rust…

The Benefit of coatings for corrosion is they absorb oil like a sponge, Maintain your knife, rinse it off from time to time and reapply a coat of oil, wipe dry and you’ll have Great Corrosion Protection…

We all want a knife that, Won't Rust, Light Weight, Stays Sharp forever, with the latest materials.. It doesn't exist, But were working on it... almost forgot.. For Under $100.00 Made in the USA...

Darrell
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Thank you for the confirmation.
 
Darrel, thanks for all the time and great information you've shared in this thread, and for clarifying my point on thickness with some actual numbers and comparisons!
 
Looks like Blade Forums doesn't want me answering questions regarding Ionbond...Since I'm not a Paying Member..

Your Supermods has deleted two post in two days with Minor Warnings.. I will sign off here for a while.. if members have
certain questions reach out though my email.. In the meantime I will discuss with Spark and throw a few dollars his way to
support his forum...I don't think me posting here will change the Balance Sheet of IHI...

Thanks Guys and looking forward to the open House..

Darrell
 
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Ionbond said:
Looks like Blade Forums doesn't want me answering questions regarding Ionbond...Since I'm not a Paying Member..

Your Supermods has deleted two post in two days with Minor Warnings.. I will sign off here for a while.. if members have
certain questions reach out though my email.. In the meantime I will discuss with Spark and throw a few dollars his way to
support his forum...I don't think me posting here will change the Balance Sheet of IHI...

Thanks Guys and looking forward to the open House..

Darrell
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That is not the point. The forum has rules, which all are expected to read, understand and follow to be fair to everyone. We are more than happy to provide you the venue to discuss your business, as long as you follow the same rules as everyone else and purchase the proper membership to do so.
 
These pictures were from the Grand Opening our newest facility located in Wilsonville, Oregon

Ionbond is a Swiss Based Company, Headquartered in Zurich Switzerland, with 42 Service Centers globally. We are owned by the IHI Corporation. IHI is headquartered in Tokyo and employ 30,000 people worldwide... Annual Sales of $15 Billion Dollars each Year.


1. Eleven Station Dual Robot Ultrasonic Cleaning Line, 100 % of coated parts are processed through this line prior to coating... micro processed controlled with Filtered Air Drying
2. Same Picture, also In this room are Blasting and Quality Control Lab for testing Color, Thickness and Adhesion of coatings
3. Coating Room was designed for installation of four Ionbond/Hauzer 1500 Style machines, currently two units in place… This style equipment is used by Kohler and Moen...
4. Ionbond’s Employee’s & Guests during the Grand Opening
5. Knife Industry Guests
6. Guests learning about our equipment and process from our President Ton Hurkmans, another PhD in Material Science, always teaching…
7. Ionbond on the World Stage... The 2012 Olympic Torch, coated at our plant in England. 8800 were coated and changed every mile of the Torch Tour
8. Ionbond Manager discussing the Planetary rotating tooling used for coating blades with one of the guests.
9. Our President teaching again...
10. The Coating equipment and Pre-Heat Box used for coating Cutlery product in Oregon.
 
Below are a couple of links to Ionbond's website showing Hardness/COF and information on just some of the many coatings we provide.. Poke around
the other segmnents and you'll see some of the same coating used in different applications..

http://www.ionbond.com/en/coating-services/automotive/tribobondtm-coating-portfolio/

http://www.ionbond.com/en/coating-services/decorative/deco-and-sport/decobondtm-coating-portfolio/

http://www.ionbond.com/en/about-ion...coating-facility-in-the-portland-oregon-area/

http://www.ionbond.com/en/about-ion...coating-facility-in-the-portland-oregon-area/
 
Being a History/Science channel kinda guy, I personally this is awesome "behind the scenes" info.

If only the foundries shared like this too...
 
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