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BRK is actually having an open house and knife build event today thru Sunday.

I tried once to visit them while I was in the area, and that didn't go well.
And after reading more about them here, I really lost interest in the brand.

I'm actually not far from them now, but I really could care less.
Besides, they would probably show me the door about the time they started pouring out the "kool-aide".
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GPyro said:
BRK is actually having an open house and knife build event today thru Sunday.

I tried once to visit them while I was in the area, and that didn't go well.
And after reading more about them here, I really lost interest in the brand.

I'm actually not far from them now, but I really could care less.
Besides, they would probably show me the door about the time they started pouring out the "kool-aide".
🤔
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I think you should go and ask Mike if he's ever available to be contacted on a Saturday.....
 
I've been following this thread. I bought a BRK with 3v before knowing any of this information. So is there a way to tell what you got or just abuse it and see what happens?
 
donkey12 said:
I've been following this thread. I bought a BRK with 3v before knowing any of this information. So is there a way to tell what you got or just abuse it and see what happens?
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Unfortunately, when it comes to a company lying about it’s practices and materials, being proven to ship steels in the past of different name to the tag… it’s kind of a gamble what you get.

I’d say more often than not you will get what you pay for, but that’s the problem with this issue.

Unless you have a laboratory (or some way of testing steel composition that I’m unaware of) the common man cannot really test to see what steel they have. Corrosion is an easy way to tell, since it’s visual and an extremely corrosion resistant steel like Magnacut shouldn’t rust.

Telling the difference between A2, and 3v will be harder however, since they are both not stainless.
 
donkey12 said:
I've been following this thread. I bought a BRK with 3v before knowing any of this information. So is there a way to tell what you got or just abuse it and see what happens?
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it maybe 3v or might not be. even if it is 3v, did it get a proper heat treatment? maybe, maybe not. it is a true crapshoot, and that's why I don't buy bark river knives. too many good companies and custom makers out there to take these risks for the high dollars spent........
 
Trust me when I say it is NOT easy to find a company willing to check the composition of a knife steel. Most places only offer XRF, and for something like this you would need OES. The only place I’ve found willing to perform OES on a small scale has told me they would need to destroy the knife for the test.
 
Fixall said:
Trust me when I say it is NOT easy to find a company willing to check the composition of a knife steel. Most places only offer XRF, and for something like this you would need OES. The only place I’ve found willing to perform OES has told me they would need to destroy the knife for the test.
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Of course, some knives are more valuable than others.
 
Fixall said:
Trust me when I say it is NOT easy to find a company willing to check the composition of a knife steel. Most places only offer XRF, and for something like this you would need OES. The only place I’ve found willing to perform OES on a small scale has told me they would need to destroy the knife for the test.
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I didn't know this. A couple questions if thats okay.
1. How much material is required for the test?
2. How many companies run an occasional test as regular QC ? I guess I'm naive and assumed big companies have a metalurgist on the payroll.
 
Blues said:
Well, which is it? Naive or simply minded?

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Probably both. Seriously though am I alone in figuring bigger companies had the ability to see which type of steel it is? Seems pretty important in the grand scheme.
 
SimplyMinded said:
I didn't know this. A couple questions if thats okay.
1. How much material is required for the test?
2. How many companies run an occasional test as regular QC ? I guess I'm naive and assumed big companies have a metalurgist on the payroll.
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Not much material at all is needed. A piece the size of a quarter should be sufficient.

Many companies randomly check their steel with XRF. While XRF can’t really tell you exactly what the steel is because it can’t detect lighter elements, it can usually tell you if the steel is NOT what it’s supposed to be.

Places like Peter’s Heat Treat implement XRF on request when you are having blades heat treated.
 
SimplyMinded said:
Probably both. Seriously though am I alone in figuring bigger companies had the ability to see which type of steel it is? Seems pretty important in the grand scheme.
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I think most would rely on the word of vendors and a company like NSM, but that's merely speculation on my part. I've never inquired about the nuts and bolts of it from the purchase side. Though I imagine Peters might let them know "you don't have what you think you have" if applicable.
 
Fixall said:
And the knife I’m having tested is worth less than dirt. 🤬

It currently be scheduled to be perforated with a high powered rifle, and the shards are being sent for OES composition testing. 😂
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During the hoback debacle I shot my hoback with a rifle, can confirm, rifle rounds make knives into small pieces 😂
 
TouhouFan said:
Unfortunately, when it comes to a company lying about it’s practices and materials, being proven to ship steels in the past of different name to the tag… it’s kind of a gamble what you get.

I’d say more often than not you will get what you pay for, but that’s the problem with this issue.

Unless you have a laboratory (or some way of testing steel composition that I’m unaware of) the common man cannot really test to see what steel they have. Corrosion is an easy way to tell, since it’s visual and an extremely corrosion resistant steel like Magnacut shouldn’t rust.

Telling the difference between A2, and 3v will be harder however, since they are both not stainless.
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In my experience A2 rusts easier than 3v, not a fool proof way to tell, but having had plenty of a2 and 3v from different makers and using them on the farm I notice the difference. The old vinegar/mustard is what I'd try. But... like monkey said, IF it is 3v, did they heat treat it like a2?
 
TheFactor said:
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Hey is this benchmades Magnacut patina or just so it won’t stain and patina ? Or omg is it a new form of a Patina 😆
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THAT is jewelry.
 
There’s no reason not to accept the results of XRF for something like this. Unless you’re trying to discern between two very close alloys, it’ll be fine. Any steel that reacts the way this has will easily be determined to not be MagnaCut.

Richard338 Richard338 if secondary tempering temps were used with 3v, it grossly affects the stain resistance. Cold blue will stain it almost immediately.

Any company worth its salt would insist on getting this knife back to determine what went wrong. Assuming, of course, they had any integrity.

I made some of the first blades out of CPM MagnaCut, before it was even named. One of the blades I made to test a ‘tough’ heat treat was also intentionally subjected to environmental exposure. That involved being grit blasted with 90 grit garnet abrasive media at 90psi to increase surface area to improve the chances of corrosion. It was then left outside, buried in a section of log in my yard in winter (I live outside of Buffalo, NY). It was subjected to moisture, including road salt, for weeks, without any indication of corrosion.

Perhaps the original poster is eating steaks from cows grazing on pastures next to Chernobyl. Otherwise, I can’t feature that blade being MagnaCut.

Just my two cents.
 
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