Do not sell to PWET

[firebolt]

all nice and true,

but as far as i know only the sender/ shipper, can start the claim for the insurance.
( witch is a pain to begin with, i have been waiting for 1 claim off lost parcel for a year on the insurance money, and needed to provide sales bills , replacement value off goods lost ect ect. )

 

[glockednlocked]

viva la france. lol
It sucks but theft is common never skimp on shipping and insurance. I wont ship international unless a lot of what ifs are hashed out.

 

[mqqn]

If you sell an item it is your responsibility to get it to the buyer. If something happens it is the responsibility of the seller to refund the money to the buyer. That is the way I have always worked things here, and how I have always seen things done. If the seller wants no risk then sell to somebody in person.

That is how I will always see these issues- if the buyer is proven to have not received his package then his funds are replaced- no exceptions, regardless of how many emails get to them. The cost if insurance is to protect the shipper from taking a double hit if anything goes wrong.

The risks of doing business here.

This. Insurance protects the person sending the package, not the person receiving it.

best regards-

mqqn

 

[Karda]

This. Insurance protects the person sending the package, not the person receiving it.

And if there is NO insurance, as in this case, noone is protected.
Buyer should've insisted on full insurance and any customs/tax forms should be filled in with actual costs etc...
Sellers obligation is to send the parcel with the insurance thats been paid for by the buyer.

 

[harkamus]

He opted for cheapest postage and low customs value.

It's the buyer's fault for wanting the cheapest shipping that the package is lost. The buyer was well aware of the risks involved. It's not unlike gambling. Gamble enough times and you get burned. This guy got burned, but it's his own fault for not wanting to spend the cash for more insurance.

 

[mqqn]

And if there is NO insurance, as in this case, noone is protected.
Buyer should've insisted on full insurance and any customs/tax forms should be filled in with actual costs etc...
Sellers obligation is to send the parcel with the insurance thats been paid for by the buyer.

Hi Karda-

Simply put, I never ship anything without paying insurance. Period. I don't care what the "buyer" wants to pay for in that regard.

Simply paying the additional few bucks would have made this a much better situation for everyone.

I never would reduce the amount of the value for the buyer, protect thy self.

It should be a rule - every package sent in a deal has insurance. Period.

best regards-

mqqn

 

[u812]

Does USPS even offer insurance on packages sent to France,must be some reason they do not have it on the Global priority shipping.

 

[mqqn]

Hi U812 -

From the USPS site -

Global Express Guaranteed® Insurance

Our Global Express Guaranteed service automatically covers up to $100 in loss, damage, or reconstruction. If you need more coverage, you can purchase up to $2,499 in insurance. Some country restrictions may apply.

Edit - to add this link
http://pe.usps.com/text/Imm/fh_005.htm#ep1162625

This shows that for international priority mail, there is $100 insurance included in the shipping -

/edit

best regards-

mqqn

 

[cckw]

To clear up a couple things, this thread overlaps with another, that is where some of the mystery info comes from.. buyer nor seller paid for insurance not an option when sending to France unless using Express mail. Buyer chose small flat rate box. so no insurance money in play. money was correctly paid.. package was correctly sent but lost in the postal system that part is not disputed by anyone. transaction was reviewed by a moderator.

Complaint against buyer is 8 months and counting of harassment

 

[Murdamook]

I think you're both annoying. Mods can't do anything but ban, scowl, or chew out either one of the parties. Handle it like grown ups. Give negative feedback where it is due, but stop running to the masses everytime something goes wrong with a transaction. Yes, I understand you lose cash/knives or both, but life goes on. Must we have pages of the same two comments just reiterated? I feel like I'm back in high school everytime I see one of these threads. In the end, it always becomes he said/she said.

 

[Jester60]

It's my understanding that the seller told buyer that the $13 he was charging for shipping would include $100 of insurance. Buyer said ok, ship it. After the fact it was found out that the way the seller shipped it did NOT include any insurance.

I don't have a dog in this hunt but, and while I'm admittedly a bit confused, it would seem to me that PWET is indeed due the basic $100 insurance he was told he was buying for his $13 shipping charge.

If the seller made an assumption about insurance on Small Flat Rate boxes shipped Internationally and turns out he's wrong, he should cover the amount he told the buyer was included in the shipping charges. If the shipper found out there was no insurance and shipped it anyway without consulting with the buyer first, he should refund all the money paid. If he found out there was no insurance, contacted the buyer with that info before shipping, and the buyer said ship it anyway, then the seller has done his part and owes the buyer nothing.

Everyone should learn their lesson ... repeat after me ... NEVER assume! We all know the 'ASS out of U and Me' routine. Never use PayPal gift unless it's to a close friend or relative.

Just my opinion ... and you know the old saying about opinions.

Jester60

 

[mqqn]

Hi cckw -

The link I posted above is for a flat rate international priority mail box shipped to France.

If that is how you shipped the package, and you have your receipt, then there was $100 insurance on that package automatically.

Good luck with clearing this up for the benefit of both of you.

best regards -

mqqn

 

[Jaxx]

Hi U812 -

From the USPS site -

Global Express Guaranteed® Insurance

Our Global Express Guaranteed service automatically covers up to $100 in loss, damage, or reconstruction. If you need more coverage, you can purchase up to $2,499 in insurance. Some country restrictions may apply.

Edit - to add this link
http://pe.usps.com/text/Imm/fh_005.htm#ep1162625

This shows that for international priority mail, there is $100 insurance included in the shipping -

/edit

best regards-

mqqn

Exceptions:

323.1 Description
For a fee, the sender may purchase insurance to protect against loss, damage, or missing contents for Priority Mail International parcels containing merchandise. Insurance may not be purchased for Priority Mail International Flat Rate Envelopes or Small Flat Rate Priced Boxes. Compensation varies according to the fee paid. For parcels delivered to the addressee in damaged condition or with missing contents, payment is made to the addressee unless the addressee waives payment, in writing, in favor of the sender.

323.2 Availability
Insurance is available only for Priority Mail International parcels and only to certain countries. See Individual Country Listings. Insurance is not available the Priority Mail International Flat Rate Envelopes or Small Flat Rate Priced Boxes.

http://pe.usps.com/text/Imm/immc3_007.htm#ep320450

232.7 Priority Mail International Insurance and Indemnity
232.71 Indemnity
Ordinary — i.e., uninsured — Priority Mail International parcels, except Small Flat Rate Priced Boxes, include indemnity coverage against loss, damage, or missing contents up to the amounts shown in Exhibit 232.73. Indemnity is limited to the lesser of the actual value of the contents or the maximum indemnity based on the weight of the article. If the parcel has been delivered to the addressee, payment for damage and missing contents is made to the addressee unless the addressee waives payment, in writing, in favor of the sender.

Note: International insured mail service provides insurance coverage greater than the indemnity limits for ordinary Priority Mail International parcels (including the Medium and Large Flat Rate Boxes) to many countries. See 320 and the Individual Country Listings for availability and limitations of coverage. When international insurance is purchased, it replaces the ordinary indemnity coverage.

232.72 Exclusions
Ordinary indemnity coverage is not paid for the following:

Parcels containing coins; banknotes; currency notes, including paper money; securities of any kind payable to the bearer; traveler’s checks; platinum, gold, and silver; precious stones; jewelry; watches; and other valuable articles.
Consequential losses, delay, concealed damage, spoilage of perishable items, articles improperly packaged, articles too fragile to withstand normal handling in the mail, or prohibited articles.
232.73 Ordinary Priority Mail International Weight and Indemnity Limits
Exhibit 232.73 lists the weight and indemnity limits for ordinary Priority Mail International parcels.

Exhibit 232.73

Ordinary Priority Mail International Weight and Indemnity Limits



Weight not over (lbs.)
Indemnity
Weight not over (lbs.)
Indemnity
Weight not over (lbs.)
Indemnity

^^^See chart at link below quote)

232.8 Extra Services
232.81 Certificate of Mailing
Certificate of mailing service is available for purchase for only the following Priority Mail International items:

Priority Mail International Flat Rate Envelopes or Small Flat Rate Priced Boxes.
Ordinary (uninsured) Priority Mail International parcels including Medium and Large Flat Rate Boxes.
232.82 Merchandise Insurance
Insured mail service provides insurance coverage greater than the indemnity limits for ordinary Priority Mail International parcels (including the Medium and Large Flat Rate Boxes) to many countries. When international insurance is purchased, it replaces the ordinary indemnity coverage. See 320 and the Individual Country Listings for availability and limitations of coverage. See Notice 123, Price List, for the fee schedule for optional Priority Mail International merchandise insurance coverage.

http://pe.usps.com/text/imm/immc2_012.htm

 

[Jaxx]

It's my understanding that the seller told buyer that the $13 he was charging for shipping would include $100 of insurance. Buyer said ok, ship it. After the fact it was found out that the way the seller shipped it did NOT include any insurance.

I don't have a dog in this hunt but, and while I'm admittedly a bit confused, it would seem to me that PWET is indeed due the basic $100 insurance he was told he was buying for his $13 shipping charge.

If the seller made an assumption about insurance on Small Flat Rate boxes shipped Internationally and turns out he's wrong, he should cover the amount he told the buyer was included in the shipping charges. If the shipper found out there was no insurance and shipped it anyway without consulting with the buyer first, he should refund all the money paid. If he found out there was no insurance, contacted the buyer with that info before shipping, and the buyer said ship it anyway, then the seller has done his part and owes the buyer nothing.

Everyone should learn their lesson ... repeat after me ... NEVER assume! We all know the 'ASS out of U and Me' routine. Never use PayPal gift unless it's to a close friend or relative.

Just my opinion ... and you know the old saying about opinions.

Jester60

That's how I understood it too...

From the other thread:

For the record, there is no included indemnity insurance for Priority Intl. Small Flat Rate Boxes, and there is no available insurance to purchase for Priority Intl. Small Flat Rate boxes...

Even though it was stated to pwet in an email:

From: cckw@cox.net
To: louis.hezard@hotmail.fr
Subject: Re: S90v para, shipping
Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2011 22:35:52 -0600

Priority does have insurance. Are you familiar with the tax on buying outside your country. most Europeans do not want to pay that so have a value of like $40. The first $100 is included in the postage after that is is like $1.30 per $100 of value. I can do either way it is up to you because it is your savings vs. risk.

PayPal is cckw@cox.net the name on the account is Jennifer Allen

Curtis

 

[softrockrenegade]

As stated before , insurance is not an option you sell to the buyer... It is a protective measure the seller takes to protect themselves !!!

 

[pwet]

Repost from my thread to end the lies,

he posted e-mail chosen by him to show what he wanted to show. I didn't read it to see if he made any changes because the basic facts are basic facts. Any emotional favor he can gain by making private conversation public does not matter to me. I blocked this guys e-mail to end this. Now he brought it here, and i have spent too much time on it again. I didn't ask for advise or a resolution. I presented my facts and want nothing more to do with it. You guys can decide if you want to deal with me in the future, but that is it. I'm done in this thread and with this subject


eta: No offense jester, i quoted you but made a broader statement to try to cover all.

you are right this should end. You never talked about insurance ? And well i tryed to stay calm and polit 'till now but i'll shoot too as you seem to like it.

so what claim were you talking about on 02/12 ?

from: cckw@cox.net
to: louis.hezard@hotmail.fr
subject: Re: S90v para, shipping
date: Sat, 12 feb 2011 23:25:56 -0600

i will do that, but i still don't want to think it is lost... I have only ever completely lost one package. I buy and sell ww-1 and ww-2 items and send and receive from europe. Only one complete loss ever and that was sent to italy. I had one package arrive in like 3 months and many take over a month. I sent one that was returned to me like 45 days later, which brings me to my next thought.

I will ask some questions before filing the claim. If they pay the claim and it turns up being returned to me, they might just keep it, of course if it made it to you you would get both. But i'll check it out, and discuss with you before doing anything.

Curtis

and here 03/21, you are talking about what insurance ?

from: cckw@cox.net
to: louis.hezard@hotmail.fr
subject: Re: S90v para, shipping
date: Mon, 21 mar 2011 17:51:53 -0500

i haven't filed insurance yet. I want to try customs again. It is very hard to talk to someone there because of short hours and long hold time. I have it on my list to do tomorrow. If no hope comes we will do the insurance

curtis

again 3/29 ???? You must be crazy !!!!

from: cckw@cox.net
to: louis.hezard@hotmail.fr
subject: Re: S90v para, shipping
date: Tue, 29 mar 2011 10:36:41 -0500

learned nothing. I haven't file insurance, but i will. Probably can today.

Curtis

and the best

from: cckw@cox.net
to: louis.hezard@hotmail.fr
subject: Re: S90v para, shipping
date: Sat, 8 jan 2011 22:35:52 -0600

priority does have insurance. Are you familiar with the tax on buying outside your country. Most europeans do not want to pay that so have a value of like $40. The first $100 is included in the postage after that is is like $1.30 per $100 of value. I can do either way it is up to you because it is your savings vs. Risk.

Paypal is cckw@cox.net the name on the account is jennifer allen

curtis

----- original message -----
from: Louis hezard
to: cckw@cox.net
sent: Saturday, january 08, 2011 7:59 pm
subject: Re: S90v para, shipping

awesome !

Is there any insurance on the priority mail ???? If so i'll go with that.

Can i have your paypal adress please?


Thank you very much,

best regards, louis hezard.

> from: cckw@cox.net
> to: louis.hezard@hotmail.fr
> subject: Re: S90v para, shipping
> date: Fri, 7 jan 2011 20:02:27 -0600
>
> i still have it and can send to france. Priority mail is $13 but not
> trackable once it leaves the usa. Express/ ems is $32 but sometimes the
> tracking info is not updated very fast after it leaves the usa . It is up
> to you, i have sent both ways. My paypal iscckw@cox.net i can list
> customs value at whatever amount you wish.
>
> curtis
>
>
> ----- original message -----
> from: "pwet @ bladeforums.com" <louis.hezard@hotmail.fr>
> to: <cckw@cox.net>
> sent: Friday, january 07, 2011 4:49 am
> subject: S90v para, shipping
>
>
>
> this is a message from pwet at bladeforums.com (
>http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/index.php ). The bladeforums.com owners
> cannot accept any responsibility for the contents of the email.
>
> to email pwet, you can use this online form:
>http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/sendmessage.php?do=mailmember&u=241858
>
> or, by email:
> mailto:louis.hezard@hotmail.fr
>
> this is the message:
>
> hi,
>
> if your para isn't sold yet i'd like to know if you can ship to france ?
>
> if possible let me know the actual shipping rates, usps insured & tracked,
> i'll take it.
>
> thanks, best regards,
>
> louis hezard aka pwet.

all those quotes come directly from the mail history esav had in his mail archive that's all he got but i got plenty more snowstorm, flood crisis then you telling me there's no insurance, all you said here esav received on 23/04 .... But you never told me about insurance and i never asked or i faked the emails back in april 2 monthes before you tell me i'm screwed ??? I'm an evil genius for sure.


Now everyone is right here, i've been cheap, i should have chose express mail. I admit. But you told me there was an insurance and never honnored your word, i don't care about your money now, i got caught at the whinning game and i regret it. All i wanted to is steer people away from you, i hope i succeeded for some.

Sorry all for the color, big font and shouting .....
Best, louis

 

[cckw]

Hi cckw -

The link I posted above is for a flat rate international priority mail box shipped to France.

If that is how you shipped the package, and you have your receipt, then there was $100 insurance on that package automatically.

Good luck with clearing this up for the benefit of both of you.

best regards -

mqqn

I already tried that. not the case if sent to certain countries, France being one. Some countries it is a lesser amount then the $100. France is zip.

I have a ton of time invested in trying to recover this knife. Hours on the phone (hold mostly) and visits to the PO. No stone was left unturned, at least none within my reach.

Also, I previously said he has been harassing me for 8 months. that was an overstatement. the deal was 8 months ago. The harassment started in the last couple months or so.

I am going to say this as a general note: Martin touched on this earlier. Europeans pay a ton of tax, the import tax can be half the value of an item. Wanting to avoid that is natural, I would. I will continue to sell to Europeans and continue to give them low customs if that is what they want, unless that is illegal of course, then I wont European buyers know it is their savings and their risk. This guy is just not letting that be the case. But I am not holding it against the rest of Europe.

I don't want to to continue to discuss this. I have been for too long already. How any of you choose to deal with either of us in the future is up to you. I am done on this one.

 

[pwet]

I already tried that. not the case if sent to certain countries, France being one. Some countries it is a lesser amount then the $100. France is zip.

I have a ton of time invested in trying to recover this knife. Hours on the phone (hold mostly) and visits to the PO. No stone was left unturned, at least none within my reach.

Also, I previously said he has been harassing me for 8 months. that was an overstatement. the deal was 8 months ago. The harassment started in the last couple months or so.

I am going to say this as a general note: Martin touched on this earlier. Europeans pay a ton of tax, the import tax can be half the value of an item. Wanting to avoid that is natural, I would. I will continue to sell to Europeans and continue to give them low customs if that is what they want, unless that is illegal of course, then I wont European buyers know it is their savings and their risk. This guy is just not letting that be the case. But I am not holding it against the rest of Europe.

I don't want to to continue to discuss this. I have been for too long already. How any of you choose to deal with either of us in the future is up to you. I am done on this one.

Curtis come on, i haven't said anywhere you have not tried to recover it, i'm sure you have. i have stated also in my second post that the discussion was quite cordial all the way, i understand i played and loss. but while playing i saved 100 and i should have it now, in fact i should have it month from now. you know it's true just as much as i know i'll never have it. just wanted to make this public as it's not the way things should be handled.

trying to steer the discussion to me not wanting to assume the risk instead of you not paying what you sold me (insurance) will fool a couple people but not much i think.


now i think i'm done for the night and probably for good unless you spread one more layer of thick lies.

 

[bushidomosquito]

I already tried that. not the case if sent to certain countries, France being one. Some countries it is a lesser amount then the $100. France is zip.

I have a ton of time invested in trying to recover this knife. Hours on the phone (hold mostly) and visits to the PO. No stone was left unturned, at least none within my reach.

Also, I previously said he has been harassing me for 8 months. that was an overstatement. the deal was 8 months ago. The harassment started in the last couple months or so.

I am going to say this as a general note: Martin touched on this earlier. Europeans pay a ton of tax, the import tax can be half the value of an item. Wanting to avoid that is natural, I would. I will continue to sell to Europeans and continue to give them low customs if that is what they want, unless that is illegal of course, then I wont European buyers know it is their savings and their risk. This guy is just not letting that be the case. But I am not holding it against the rest of Europe.

I don't want to to continue to discuss this. I have been for too long already. How any of you choose to deal with either of us in the future is up to you. I am done on this one.

I think his attitude is pretty indicative of how you could expect to be treated if you bought an item from him and it didn't show up. Maybe he's just too small time to understand the concept of "make it right".

 

[richard j]

Hi cckw -

The link I posted above is for a flat rate international priority mail box shipped to France.

If that is how you shipped the package, and you have your receipt, then there was $100 insurance on that package automatically.

Good luck with clearing this up for the benefit of both of you.

best regards -

mqqn

the last time i shipped overseas i think i was told that international shipping in a flat rate box does have $100. insurance included. i'll see what they tell me tomorrow.