Do you needlessly chop living trees in your pseudo-survival play?

[leghog]

You will not have a permanent impact...the human conception of permanency is flawed. We are here for such short periods of time that we lack perspective; more than 90% of all life has been destroyed at once before...yet it all bounced back given time.

Depends on the extent of deforestation and in which ecosystem that deforestation occurs. Man has had a huge impact on forestation of the Earth.

 

[Codger_64]

Remnants of ancient cities in Central America are still being discovered where the jungle has reclaimed them.

 

[leghog]

Remnants of ancient cities in Central America are still being discovered where the jungle has reclaimed them.

And there are deserts that we once forests. Then consider the forests that once were in the UK. Deforestation for logging, fuel, agriculture, developmental sprawl without consideration/implementation of sustainable forestry is often a disaster when considering second and third order effects on habitat, biodiversity, soils, water, aridity, etc.

 

[neeman]

There is a lot of damage from picknickers cutting trees for fire wood for their bonfires
And they leave large (for here) logs half burnt

A real shame

 

[baldtaco-II]

There's nothing wrong with a vandal scarring the ground so he can have a picnic is there. Of course not, why should there be? What's wrong with logging the tropical rainforests? They might well be the lungs of the planet with a rich biodiversity, but hey, get with the plot people. Stuff goes extinct, always has, and a few million years from now nobody will care.

The way some of you go on makes me wonder if you think oil tankers running aground and spilling their guts into the ocean is a really bad thing. What's the matter with you, do you really think we'll run out of oceans? Strewth, even if we nuke an entire continent and turn all the things there horrendously radioactive shit'll grown back eventually.

With time as my cudgel I can defeat any argument you've got. Really, I'm not a idiot and I can prove it, you just need to be vary very patient.

 

[sh00ter01]

Depends on the extent of deforestation and in which ecosystem that deforestation occurs. Man has had a huge impact on forestation of the Earth.

Man, as in the entire human race, yes it has a large impact on the natural world around them. But ONE man here or there (or even the majority of guys that hang out in the W&SS) cutting down a living tree every now and then for one purpose or another... not so much.

And there are deserts that we once forests. Then consider the forests that once were in the UK. Deforestation for logging, fuel, agriculture, developmental sprawl without consideration/implementation of sustainable forestry is often a disaster when considering second and third order effects on habitat, biodiversity, soils, water, aridity, etc.

I get what your getting at, but I think this is a 'know your audience' issue here. You're preaching to the wrong crowd. If you're really passionate about it, go makes a PSA on YouTube and share it with all the outdoor communities you can find, you'll get your message out to more people there.

No guarantee on how it'll be received though

 

[leghog]

Man, as in the entire human race, yes it has a large impact on the natural world around them. But ONE man here or there (or even the majority of guys that hang out in the W&SS) cutting down a living tree every now and then for one purpose or another... not so much.

It's up to "ONE man here or there" to make the difference. If not you, who? Each man ought to look into the mirror and ask the man he sees that very question. Same with guys littering. Same with guys overusing household chemicals. Same with how we rid ourselves of those chemicals, whether it be something as simple as tossing old batteries in the garbage or flushing old prescriptions down the drain or toilet. It's up to each of us individually and not some other guy. We need to be good stewards with what we have, not some "them". Think about it --- how many wild sources (untreated supply) of surface water in the USA would you trust to now drink without first treating it? That wasn't always the case, even in recent memory. All syptoms of the same problem.

I get what your getting at, but I think this is a 'know your audience' issue here. You're preaching to the wrong crowd. If you're really passionate about it, go makes a PSA on YouTube and share it with all the outdoor communities you can find, you'll get your message out to more people there.

No guarantee on how it'll be received though

Any one alive and using resources is the right crowd. We need to steward and sustain what we have inherited and pass it on at least no worse than we received it.

 

[Hammer67]

"If trees could scream, would we be so cavalier about cutting them down?

We might, if they screamed all the time, for no good reason."

- Jack Handy

 

[sh00ter01]

It's up to "ONE man here or there" to make the difference. If not you, who? Each man ought to look into the mirror and ask the man he sees that very question.

Well seeing as I don't needlessly down living trees, it's not a question I need ask myself. I stick to the dead stuff, plenty of it round my stomping ground. Don't even remember the last time I down a living tree whilst in the woods camping, hunting, hiking, etc.

Does that mean I'll chastise others for doing it occasionally? No. Again, I think you're speaking to a group of guys that have already formed their opinions and beliefs on the matter and are largely wasting your time here; people are going to either agree or disagree, but not really change. YouTube would give you a younger more impressionable audience for your preaching.

 

[Doug C]

DC...

 

[leghog]

"If trees could scream, would we be so cavalier about cutting them down?

We might, if they screamed all the time, for no good reason."

- Jack Handy

[video=youtube;6pW2bE61Z9U]http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=6pW2bE61Z9U[/video]

 

[Gehazi]

I live in a hardwood wetland, that has over 4 unique species in its waterways ( so far)-- Its also a state park and the "outdoorsman" are the only reason its kept mostly pristine. I don't hunt, and I am not a survivalist. I personally cannot thank these men and women enough for working and paying to keep that land pristine-- I think we should all do whatever we can to preserve old forests, and even new forests with good biodiversity, and not even for logging or resources-- but to protect the natural system. The only monetary gain in protecting a system right now is through hunting and other people who help conservation through permits.

Right now I am trying to purchase more land simply to let it be a forest, I own a cypress swamp with many ancient trees, on satellite maps it is apparent that my forest has not been cut for many generations. I encourage everyone to do whatever you can where you are-- if you are a hunter this means paying the appropriate fees and taking part in conservation that way. If you are a business owner or land holder, I encourage everyone to keep some land aside for the spirits, for the stuff that came before. You will reap benefits if you give respect where it is due.

I feel deeply personally attached to my forest and the trees within it, I love them like family.

 

[MrFixIt]

I do not.
I harvest diseased/damaged trees for woodcraft.
There is plenty of dead wood lying around for a fire.

 

[B34NS]

Put it this way, I catch you pulling some crap like this in my neck of the woods, if you weren't in a survival situation to begin with, you will be.

It's not that hard to LNT. Practice good habits, not bad ones.

 

[stabman]

Put it this way, I catch you pulling some crap like this in my neck of the woods, if you weren't in a survival situation to begin with, you will be.

Sure I would.

The internet at it's finest.

 

[B34NS]

Sure I would.

The internet at it's finest.

@stabman :thumbup:

Here in CA we have a bigger problem than just the weekend warriors, illegal grow ops destroy just as much without calling it bushcraft, especially with dumping rat poison on the thousands year old forest floor.

 

[stabman]

@stabman :thumbup:

Here in CA we have a bigger problem than just the weekend warriors, illegal grow ops destroy just as much without calling it bushcraft, especially with dumping rat poison on the thousands year old forest floor.

If you find those guys, kick them in the balls for me as well.
Especially wrecking old growth forest like that...around here agriculture got rid of most old growth forests long ago. Even areas that seem undisturbed in this area have generally changed from what they originally were a few times at least, except for a few protected spots.

Some areas should definitely be left alone.

 

[Hammer67]

Legalize it, save a forest.

 

[stabman]

Legalize it, save a forest.

Put that on a T-shirt and you could probably make some cash.

 

[Gehazi]

everyone can agree that untouched forest has inherent value worth defending I think.