does this one come grinded down like the last one you sold me

TheBladeMaster said:
Yes jaxx your right I was aware of the issue. He was not requesting a refund at that time. We were discussing him sending it to busse and me paying the shipping fees at that time.

It was well over 48 hours after this date when he was interested in a refund and all the damage had already been done. It was 2 weeks before it was clear that all he wanted was a refund.
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again, on the selling end if there was a problem from the minute he got the blade, you prob should have been ready to give a refund upon request. i know when things get heated and emotions get involved it s tough to do someone a solid but the bottom line was you had his money and he wasnt happy with the knife, a refund was definatley a possible turn of events and should have not been a crazy suggestion no matter the way or tone in which it was requested.

luke
 
TheBladeMaster said:
Yes jaxx your right I was aware of the issue. He was not requesting a refund at that time. We were discussing him sending it to busse and me paying the shipping fees at that time.

It was well over 48 hours after this date when he was interested in a refund and all the damage had already been done. It was 2 weeks before it was clear that all he wanted was a refund.
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So, if xBORISx were to post all of the correspondence between you both, we would not see a direct request for a refund until 2 weeks from the start of that thread?
 
You will see everything heading towards me paying for it to be sent ot busse. I even contacted Amy for him and she said it would be good to go and to have him send it there. I was ready to pay.

Then there will be many contradicting emails after him and his friend posted o. The thread you shut down. More heated exchange
From him on the 8th
"Ok...we will wait for a response, bit I'm either gonna want 100 back to my paypal or send you the knife back ...I'm sorry ...but its not fair to me this knife is not mint"

I told him this on the 8th
" Ok here is the deal. Contact Amy. Send the knife to busse and if they repair it for free everything should be good. I'll even pay shipping fees they repair it.

If they do say that it wasn't an error they made and that someone else did it I will refund you.

I'll contact Amy about it as well to see what they say about the repairs."

I believed that to be more than reasonable after they had already bad mouthed me on the busse forum.

Here is his message on the 10th around this time.

Are you going to pay the shipping fees for shipping it to busse?
Then I am assuming that there will be shipping fees for busse to send it back to me, which I would want you to pay for.
And then if they say the blade has been tampered with, you would be paying the shipping fees to ship it back to you. *Totaling at least $50.00 to $60.00.
I am kinda disappointed that you told me this was mint, I sent you your payment as the gift the way you wanted and I paid the fees on top of it. *
You told me you feel worse than I do because this was my first purchase on the forums, I sent you the pic half an hour after I got the delivery, yet you accuse me of grinding the blade myself...I wouldn't know what I need *or where to begin on grinding a blade. *You said you would make it right, but at this point I just want to send it back to you. *I asked you to be honest with me in one of our first emails, but you said you didn't see it, you had it for 3 months... I don't believe that you didn't see it. *But when i sent you a pic you saw it right away, and in your posting asking how to get it fixed you knew it was only on one side of the blade, yet all i said to you is there is a problem with the blade and it doesn't look right. *If I felt you were being honest with me I would have no problem sending the blade in to busse, but i have a feeling that you did do something to that blade. I would like to return it to you and get my money back please. I have asked you before and you keep telling me to send it in to busse, but i did not spend $650.00 for a knife that has to be sent in to busse.

It's hard to really understand what this guy is asking for. Is asking question with a contradiction to it very direct? I felt like I was talking to 2 different people in almost every email.


I thought he was going to send it to busse and I would have gladly paid the costs to get rid of the nightmare of a dealing and or refund it if it was not a factory error.
 
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2 points, then I'm off for the night...

1.) You keep saying "they". I rechecked that thread and I don't see xBORISx badmouthing you. I do see CR33 jumping on you and I didn't like that, but xBORISx only had one short post on that thread. The problem is that although CR33 should have not been so aggressive, you weren't in the middle of a transaction with him, but with Boris. It isn't fair of you to take it out on the Buyer if another member, friend of the Buyer's or not, posts against you.

2.) "A deal is not complete until both parties are satisfied." You got paid in a timely fashion and the money was real. The knife was not as described and he saw that rather quickly, and immediately contacted you to resolve the issue. Personally, I feel that you should have tried harder to resolve the issue...something more than "Ok here's the deal. Contact Amy. Send the knife to Busse..."

BTW, you might want to recheck that date as being the first time he stated that he wanted to return it to you...

Edited to add: An edit of his post has removed the date I was referring to before I posted this.
 
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Jaxx said:
1-2 weeks???

On 4/02, 3:02pm EDT:


April 2nd was a Saturday. Even if you were able to ship it straight away, it wouldn't have moved far until Monday the 4th.

On Friday, 4/08:


This quote is from that thread you started at 4:02pm EDT. Obviously, you were already aware by that point that there was an issue with the knife.

I see that there has been no resolution on this, so if you 2 are going to get into it again, please stick to the facts.
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Thank you Jaxx,

The blademaster sent the package on Monday which would have been april 4th, I did not get the package until friday the 8th.
I will now post the emails of me requesting to reverse the transaction on the same day .

me to Ross. aka Theblademaster
I just got the blade 5 minutes ago, I am a little dissapointed, you said the blade was new , mint, unused, unsharpened, but it looks like someone sharpened it, and they did a horrible job sharpening it because it looks so uneven and the edge is messed up. I am new to collecting these and I can tell this looks like a lemon. I dont know why you would not have told my about this. I showed it to my friend and he has been collecting busse's for over a year and he was in shock that you didnt mention this...
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Ross to me
I purchased the knife from knife hunter from blade forums as new 3 months ago for $775. It has been in a safe ever since. It is new unused...

Reply |Boris to Ross
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ok, could certainly be new, but the edge on the front curve of the blade looks like its been grinded down unevenly...did you not see this? Im gonna have to send this blade in for repair...im sending you two pics...take a look


Ross to me
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I'm really sorry, I'm new to collecting busse too and this was my first sfno. I didn't know there was anything wrong with it. Now I feel terrible and I believe it or not feel worse than you probably do. I lost a ton of money on it. Apparently by what you say there is a blemish. And now I mad another person upset about it. I don't know what to do. I just contacted knife hunter the guy I purchased it from about it.

Boris to Ross
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could you tell from the pics I sent that it was a little off? My friend said I could probably send it in to busse and they would probably fix it ...but its gonna cost me another 50-100 bucks...

Ross to me
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I can see a small wave in it. I guess I did not inspect the knife good enough I thought it looked great. If the blade is new unused I think they will fix it for free. Let me do some research and I'll get back to you. I'm going to try to make this right for you ok.

Hey Ross,
i want you to be honest with me, I dont belive you that you did not notice this knife was grinded down, it looks like someone tried to reprofile the edge....and know Im gonna have to send in a knife I just bought, and I dont think busse is going to fix this for free. I showed this to my friend and he said its a lemon...

Ross to me
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Honestly no I did not look over it that well. It must to be a hard to see defect. I purchased looked at it briefly and put it in my safe. Come to find out i lost money on it.

Ross to me
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Did you send Amy or Jerry an email? I'm waiting for a response from them. I'll get back to you when I hear from them.

Boris to Ross
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Ok...we will wait for a response, bit I'm either gonna want 100 back to my paypal or send you the knife back ...I'm sorry ...but its not fair to me this knife is not mint

Ross to me
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Ok I will pay for the fix if they do not do it for free...

Boris to Ross
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But i still have to send it in and wait for 2,or 3 months ....that's not fair for me ...

Ross to me
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I'm sorry I can't take $250, I can pay for the repairs and shipping that's it.

Ross to me
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Your friend just pissed me off. I really do t want to do anything for you now... I was trying to make it right but...

Boris to Ross
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Yo I'm at work I'm not on the forums right now ...don't get upset

Ross to me
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Then tell cr33 to keep out of this.

Ross to me
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Look best I can tell you now is: send it into busse they will fix it for free and have it back to you In less than a week. Your friend blew this out of proportion and blew it up in front of the whole forum.
Sorry good luck. For all I know you guys tried to sharpen it , screwed up, and now are trying to pin this on me.

Boris to Ross
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so I was being nice up to now ...but since you said for all you know I try to sharpen it ...we can check what time I sign for the signature and what time I emailed you ...and when I get home I will be posting on the forums

Ross to me
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And I was trying to be nice as well. Until your friend went on and tried to ruin my reputation as far as I'm concerned I don't care any more. I suggest you your read what jaxx said in the thread. Send it to busse and see what they say. This was blown way out of proportion.

Boris to Ross
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Can I just send it back to you and get my money back please

Boris to Ross
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You had to talk me through making a payment on paypal and you think I would know how to grind a knife ? This is the second busses I have ever purchased why would I grind it ?

Ross to me
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Ok here is the deal. Contact Amy. Send the knife to busse and if they repair it for free everything should be good. I'll even pay shipping fees if they repair it.
If they do say that it wasn't an error they made and that someone else did it I will refund you.
I'll contact Amy about it as well to see what they say about the repairs.

Ross to me
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Ok here is the deal. Contact Amy. Send the knife to busse and if they repair it for free everything should be good. I'll even pay shipping fees if they repair it.
If they do say that it wasn't an error they made and that someone else did it I will refund you.
I'll contact Amy about it as well to see what they say about the repairs.

Boris to Ross
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Hey Ross, THE BLADEMASTER, theblademaster27@gmail.com
Are you going to pay the shipping fees for shipping it to busse?
Then I am assuming that there will be shipping fees for busse to send it back to me, which I would want you to pay for.
And then if they say the blade has been tampered with, you would be paying the shipping fees to ship it back to you. Totaling at least $50.00 to $60.00.
I am kinda disappointed that you told me this was mint, I sent you your payment as the gift the way you wanted and I paid the fees on top of it.
You told me you feel worse than I do because this was my first purchase on the forums, I sent you the pic half an hour after I got the delivery, yet you accuse me of grinding the blade myself...I wouldn't know what I need or where to begin on grinding a blade. You said you would make it right, but at this point I just want to send it back to you. I asked you to be honest with me in one of our first emails, but you said you didn't see it, you had it for 3 months... I don't believe that you didn't see it. But when i sent you a pic you saw it right away, and in your posting asking how to get it fixed you knew it was only on one side of the blade, yet all i said to you is there is a problem with the blade and it doesn't look right. If I felt you were being honest with me I would have no problem sending the blade in to busse, but i have a feeling that you did do something to that blade. I would like to return it to you and get my money back please. I have asked you before and you keep telling me to send it in to busse, but i did not spend $650.00 for a knife that has to be sent in to busse.
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Ross to me
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First of all I don't like being called a liar. Second of all I posted the thread after you sent pictures and explained the problem. Yes I will pay for the shipping to busse
And no, If you knew how I kept my knives you would think you were crazy trying to accuse me of tampering with the blade. Why would I be so confident that busse would fix it for free if I tampered with it? The only way it would have been tampered with is if knife hunter they guy who sold it to me for $775 as mint did something. Now think about how shitty I'm going to feel if knife hunter fucked me over. I sent him a message about it and hr told me to go fuck myself. Everyone who lives with me knows how I kept that knife and no one saw a problem with it. I don't even have a belt sander.
As for not wanting to take it back, no I don't. I had another person wanting to buy it on bladeforums but you closed the deal first. It was also up to $590 on eBay with 2 days left of bidding. I pulled it off to sell it to you.
You started out cool I thought you were going to send it to busse taking my word that I bought it mint and it stayed mint so if there is a defect busse will fix it for free because it was not used.
Then you got greedy, and asked for me to give you $100 WTF?
On top of that your friend went on blade forums and tried to ruin my reputation on the busse forums. I was at the point there where I was going to say fuck it and stop emailing you and give you shit. Sure you would probably try to ruin my rep on bf with your friend cr33, but I also have friends with more influence and I assure you it would be your rep ruined.
Send it to busse I'll pay for a flat rate box there and back, it won't take months and months like you stated...
Call me a liar one more time and you won't see another email from me.

Boris to Ross
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I am not satisfied with this purchase you said it was mint I want to return it

Ross to me
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Screw you. Good bye.

Ross to me
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Your unreasonable as fuck. What I think is that you didn't like the knife so your friend cr33 put a blemish in it so you could get $100 out of me or return it.

Ross to me
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I feel like you are trying to screw me out of money.


Ross to me
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I would have refunded it right away if your friend didn't go on and flame me on the forums. Why are you so scared to send it to busse? You know they won't fix it for free because you and your little pit bull cr33 did something to it?

Ross to me
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All you keep doing is contradict yourself . In you last email you asked if I would pay fees to ship to busse I said yes. WTF is going on in your head.


Boris to Ross
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I emailed you half an hour after I got the blade ...we can verify that with the tracking ...at this point the way you've been treating me ...I don't want the blade anymore .you were the seller and you're responsible for the ad you placed ... so please give me my money back so this doesn't go any further ...I don't even want 100 dollars from you ...I want to reverse the deal because your ad was misleading


Ross to me
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If I take it back and refund you. You will still leave me a bad feedback. If I don't take it back you will also leave me a bad feedback there is nothing for me to gain by taking it back.

Boris to Ross
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Ross,
I compared 2 sfno's a limited and another custom, to the one I purchased from you. The sfno I purchased from you is a little shorter and not as wide at the tip when compared to the other 2 new sfno's, now if you didnt mess with the blade fine, you stick to your story.
I would like to ask you one more time, I would like to return it I am not satisfied with this sfno I purchased from you, and we can go our seperate ways, no hard feelings.
If not, I will start a gbu thread.
 
wow, after reading the emails, it's very clear that blademaster should have given boris a refund and taken the knife back as is the right way to do business. You cannot refuse a refund bc someones friend gave you shit in a public setting. Also if you had other buyers blademaster what's the problem with taking the knife back?? I'm sorry you didn't see the problem on the knife when you had it but that's not boris s fault, that is your own sir. As for having "reps" on bf , these threads can either help you or hurt you it's really gonna be up to you and how you handle yourself when confronted with a problem. You should bend over backwords to fix any problem with a sale , not just sending emails and having other peole deal with it ie boris and bussse, you should ask how he would like to resolve the issue and try to get as close to that within reason, here a full refund is REASONABLE.
 
I think this is the part where someone actually posts a pic of said defect/alteration so we actually know what everybody's so tore up about. If nothing else, email some to Jerry.

In either case, it's a Busse. Lube it up with scotch and go beat it through an engine block.
 
Also if you had other buyers blademaster what's the problem with taking the knife back
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I contacted the other buyer. After reading what Boris and cr33 wrote about the knife and me on the forum the other buyer I had lined up retracted his offer.

I would have been fine to refund him if his friend really more than him did not blow my spot up all over the forum before The 3rd email went out.

I also do not like being called a liar.

I showed boris in other email that were not posted the auction where I purchased the knife in that condition from knife hunter for $775 as new/unused. Boris got the knife for $630.

I found out not only that I paid a premium for it on today's market but now this whole mess about a hairline defect on the edge. Like is I did not see it and contacted knife hunter about it and he to me to fuck off, not screw off. He told me it was 2 months ago to take it to gb&u and watch people laugh at me cause he has such a great reputation.

I don't like to start shit over minor things as it is.

Basically there was a snowball effect of things that happened with this buyer that made me despise him and not want to deal with him at all regardless of what it might mean for my reputation.
 
I to think pics should be given as evidence. This guy could totally be making stuff up. I wouldn't refund a deal unless someone showed my pictures of the said defect and that I knew it was within a reasonable time that they had had the knife.
 
Here is the picture he sent me and the quote of his friend on the condition of the blade:

"You are so full of it bro. Grind error. You can call me a lot of things-just don't call me stupid. The blade is so far from MINT and yet you have the gaul and audacity to list it as mintWhat Einstein grinded that thing Blade Master? That looks AWFUL bro. Especially when he purchased something in the exchange that said, MINT. I can repost the thread if need be- Farthest thing from mint you can get bro. Should have been sold as "blade has been mauled and reprofiled by someone who doesnt know what their doing with a grinder." The edge is messed up because either you or someone else-dunno- tried to grind it away completely. Theres no edge left to sharpen the blade even on one side it is such a botch job. I am just the friend- but hate to see my good buddy get ripped off. you cant charge close to full price for something that was a grinding project for someone. Why in the world someone would try to do anything to a beautiful custom Busse is beyond me bro. These guys know what there doing and have been very successful. People should really stop thinking they can quit their day job. It wasnt damaged from abuse, so I do not see how Busse would fix this for free as per the warranty-nor would I even expect them to for the record. They would look at it in 5 seconds and say the same thing we did- what idiot mauled this beautiful blade and here is your large bill to fix blade itself and the other issues. Thats kinda not what he was thinking when he purchased a blade labeled as mint. The chi imports are the blades to be used for grinding projects- not a beautiful custom shop SFNO. How can you say that you didnt see it and you overlooked it bro? It is beyond the scope of +75 IQ to comprehend that someone tried grinding-one side of the blade-in addition to a few other issues making this thing a lemon so far. Let me ask you the million dollar question- Why couldn't you send it into Busse before when you owned it? Why would you think it was alright to dump this onto someone on the exchange. Did you really think someone was going to be happy about spending A LOT on a custom shop sfno only to find out that the blade has been grinded away on one side to the point where it is not even on both sides by a large amount.

This quote came from cr33, boris best friend before the 3rd email that he posted was exchanged.

here is the picture
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It took me a while to understand what the problem he was having even was. There was not even the slightest scratch on the blade not even sheath marks.

Boris even saw good pictures of both sides of the knife and everything before he purchased it.
 
Looks to me like it's not a matter of something being ground off, but something not being ground enough and it just needs that transition blended in. Not an expert, but I'd say that was an error at the shop. It's not missing steel. It has too much. If that's the case, Busse will take care of it.

As for cr33, Boris you need to tell him to butt out and quit stirring the pot as that seems to be where a lot of the drama lies.
 
I'm not seeing the defect, but I have bad eyes. I once purchased a brand new Shiva Rex that was dull as a butterknife, and purchased a brand new HellRazor that wasn't nearly as sharp as I would have liked. Just because it isn't sharp doesn't mean someone did something to it. Busse should fix this. Blademaster will reimburse XBorisX for shipping to Busse. That should make everyone a little happier. Maybe.
 
Kiah said:
Looks to me like it's not a matter of something being ground off, but something not being ground enough and it just needs that transition blended in. Not an expert, but I'd say that was an error at the shop. It's not missing steel. It has too much. If that's the case, Busse will take care of it.

As for cr33, Boris you need to tell him to butt out and quit stirring the pot as that seems to be where a lot of the drama lies.
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+1 to this. They can fix this.
 
I see the poor grind. However. I would not go any where near saying the knife is no where near mint. The knife has a poor grind, that doesnt make the knife un-mint it just means the factory goofed, or, someone else did. For the record. Out of all the Swamprat and Scrapyard knives I have gotten none have been sharp. My scrapivore was the sharpest and it would be hard to cut my finger on.
 
I am at work right now and will try to post more pics as soon as I figure that out, Theblademaster saw the pics and agreed something was off, I am sure Busse will fix this. However, Theblademaster would not respond to my emails when I asked him to pay for shipping, after the last emails he sent me. As for my friend chiming in and bitching about the blade, he was with me when I got the blade from the mailman and couldnt believe that Theblademaster didnt notice the tip. regardless, the transaction was with me, and I did not badmouth him...until now.
 
Theblademaster would not respond to my emails when I asked him to pay for shipping, after the last emails he sent me.
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I told you many times I would pay for shipping to busse. Did you not even read our email conversation you posted?

I did not badmouth him...until now.
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This was my post on the busse forum on the 8th after our 3rd email. If that's not bad mouthing Someones reputation I don't know what is. That was on the busse forum and not gb&u none the less.
http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php/838589-Busse-fix-question
 
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