Don't trust anyone but the hogs

Cappy2cap said:
Thanks guys. I really appreciate all the advice. I know its hard to get a really good gun under 500$. This was for a friend who wants a personal defense weapon and i said I would poll the team...you guys always com through and thanks Beprepared for the Busse content!
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Don't know your friend from Adam but make sure he buys a quality gun and gets proficient. Basic training if possible as well. Some people have the mindset to buy a gun for protection but it ends there :). Like I said, I don't know your friend so just a friendly reminder.
 
dtmbinb said:
Glock<Sig. Enough said. Can't believe so many Hogs like Glock....
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Maybe because the OP specified best gun <$500. The P2022 is the only Sig that meets the criteria (P250s are junk). Probably a little less well-known than Glock.
 
jdigi101 said:
I love Glocks and Sigs. The best -$500 pistol I have is a sig p6 (p225 west german made police pistol circa 1984).

I got mine for $350 2+ years ago and it is still one of my favorites.

They can still be found for $450ish.
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Did you do something to fix the super heavy trigger pull? If so, what?
I got a couple of those, and they're way heavier than my other SIGs.
 
Glock or M&P would be my choice. I've owned a bunch of Glocks, but have since found the M&P which I shoot better, faster and the grip is more comfortable in my hand. Definitely one of my favorite guns in that price range.
 
JohnTheTexican said:
Did you do something to fix the super heavy trigger pull? If so, what?
I got a couple of those, and they're way heavier than my other SIGs.
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Swap the mainspring to Sig P225 factory version or lighter. My P6 is running a 19lb with polished internals. Would not go any lighter than that if you want it to ignite reliably.
 
BePrepared said:
It appears that glock is the official handgun of busse... i wonder if i can get a kydex holster for my glock that piggybacks a busse

that would be AWESOME for hog hunting
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A Glock is hard to beat for under $500. Take away the price restriction, and I expect you'd see a whole lot of recommendations for various flavors of 1911s. And SIGs.
 
A lightly used West German Sig Sauer would be my choice. I have shot Glocks for many years and have only one complaint. My complaint is that Glock (last time I checked) has never beefed up the polymer frame with fiberglass particles such as H&K. The problem I have had over the years and it is not very often is that at times there is too much flex in the frame which leads to a failure to chamber a round. This is especially apparent if you limp wrist a Glock. For this reason I like to use ammo that is on the stout side such as +p or Nato spec. My West German SIGs have been extremely reliable over the years. My West German SIGs are chambered in 9mm and 45acp. I do like Glocks very much and have a few of them. The Glock is lighter weight and less maintenance. SIG became hit or miss when they started making pistols in the U.S. A lightly used W German SIG P220 in 45.acp is a solid choice.
 
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if price were not an issue, i'd still choose glock as a COMBAT pistol... for concealed carry, it would certainly not be my choice without price restriction

for awesomeness of shooting, you just can't beat a 1911, but in combat, i'd prefer 22 rounds to 7...
 
I had a little bit of a look around in the price range you mentioned incase your friend did'nt find a Glock a natural choice and I have to say that a 9mm CZ 75B SA would be one that I would pick for myself if I were in the same circumstances. It is single action only and the trigger is adjustable for over travel which will eliminate the trigger creep you get from the DA/SA models and whilst you would need to learn how to carry it cocked and locked the crisp trigger will do wonders for first round accuracy ... the safety on these is also very well positioned and they are a very reliable pistol ( up there with Glock ). The CZ75 is numerically the most used pistol by quite some way in military and LEA's worldwide and that says a lot for it's ability to be reliable.

Heavier than a Glock and not as simple to use in so far as you need to click off a safety ... but that particular model has a very good trigger. I shot a CZ Checkmate for the last few years in IPSA Open matches in Switzerland and basically the trigger is the same as in this top end competition pistol. As a Glock alternative it is a great choice.
 
Although i carry a glock 21sf everyday( duty gun) i would feel very well gunned with my CZ75, i have the SP01 model, the most accurate pistol i have ever shot( and I've owned a bit of everything) i also love my p226 and Kimber although they are not near the $500 mark. Shoot LOTS of different guns, get what you like from a quality gunmaker and practice, practice, practice....be safe and enjoy.
 
JohnTheTexican said:
Did you do something to fix the super heavy trigger pull? If so, what?
I got a couple of those, and they're way heavier than my other SIGs.
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I bought a 19 lb wolff main spring but it was wider that the stock spring and it rubbed on the inside of the grip. While it was lighter it was not as smooth. I ended up cutting 3/8" off the original main spring with dremel cutting wheel (went 1/8" at a time to see what felt good). It is a much lighter and very smooth. I did that over 1000 rounds ago and I have not had a light strike. Come to think of it I have never had any fails of any kind on my p6.

I also ended up putting a short trigger on it. I think the length of pull with the factory trigger made the trigger seem heavier with my short fingers. The shorter pull and lighter main spring makes it perfect for me.
 
I looked around after seeing this thread and it look like a lot of online stores have gen 3 Glocks for around $499. Aim Surplus has them for that price with 3 mags!

I know it would come in over $500 with shipping and junk. But a few dollars over budget should not be an issue when you are looking for a tool to bet your life on.

I have several but my "one handgun" senario always has the same answer...Glock 22:
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There are not too many situations that 16 rounds of 180grn .40s&w cannot get you out of.

For those of you that like to post Glock kabooms remember, kabooms do not discriminate:
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Clean your gun and use quality ammo.
 
^^^^^ True Dat...


Here's an interesting post on a 10,000 round Glock broken down and parts examined for wear.

http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1424322


1911's are my favorites... but Glock is tough to beat with regard to function and reliability for the money.

Just to throw out another name... Kahr makes an excellent concealed carry pistol. The CW series can be had under $350. I own a CW45, PM9 and CW9 (wife's). All are flawless shooters, lightweight and shoot very soft for such a lightweight pistol. Factory recommends several hundred rounds as a break-in period because the parts fit like a swiss-watch. This is more cheaply accomplished by just sitting on the sofa and racking the slide several hundred times to help the parts 'mate'.

This is my diminutive PM9...

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Well yeah, KB's can happen to any gun with overcharged ammo. I have seen an HK USP .45 detonate due to an overcharged crappy reload. The frame cracked, everything blew out the mag well and the shooter walked away with a few powder burns.

I was pointing out the specific problem Glock had by boring out a 9mm to a .40 without compensating for shell length or the loss of chamber support. This was a huge problem for them, not just a few coincidental KB's. I would be worried about buying an earlier used .40 because of this.
 
can't say anything about that. I have a gen 4 G22 with overpressure barrel... it's 100% reliable and more accurate than anything else i own (1911's don't count)

YMMV
 
You might want to look at a Springfiled XD too. They're available new at or near your price point, and I find that they have a more comfortable to shoot than a Glock.
 
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