DPx H•E•S•T/F...ANNOUNCING THE HEST FOLDER!

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RYP said:
yes the knife and goodies are identical, the engraving is different. Some people like a clean knife and some know the heritage of Mr DP
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First I would like to thank you for your continued efforts in keeping us informed, RYP. Makes me even more confident in my choice to order the HEST Folder LE.

Since 250 limited editions are being made, I am assuming this is the sum of Sterile and Mr DP versions. Can you tell us how many of each is being made? If this is information not readily available, no worries. It is just for curiosity's sake.
 
I seem to remember seeing something before, but could not find it. About the multi-tool/adjustment tool, will there be a 'sheath' or slip cover for it. I imagine it could do some serious pocket damage. Also I've looked for dimensions for it, any body have any ideas?

On a different but related note, if anyone needs some good reads this winter, RYP's books are awesome. So far I have read License to Kill, Hunter Hammer and Heaven, and Come Back Alive, all good reads. Just waiting for the others to come through the library.
 
This is taken from Benchmade's website. It is a fairly good description of both steels. If Benchmade is to be considered a credible source, and they are IMHO, then I think it is clear why D2 was chosen as the steel for this "hard use" folder.

S30V: An American made and developed premium grade stainless steel created especially for knives. It is a powder made steel with a uniform carbide distribution and clean steel properties. As a blade material it offers excellent corrosion resistance and superb edge qualities.

D2: An air-hardened tool steel, which offers good corrosion resistance and excellent mileage in wear resistance. A good choice for hard use applications.

Here's the link to the page where I found this info. Tons of good knowledge there.
http://www.benchmade.com/about_knives/our_blades.asp
 
westcoaster said:
I seem to remember seeing something before, but could not find it. About the multi-tool/adjustment tool, will there be a 'sheath' or slip cover for it. I imagine it could do some serious pocket damage. Also I've looked for dimensions for it, any body have any ideas?

On a different but related note, if anyone needs some good reads this winter, RYP's books are awesome. So far I have read License to Kill, Hunter Hammer and Heaven, and Come Back Alive, all good reads. Just waiting for the others to come through the library.
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I've read all but HH&H. I'd say get "The Adventurist", when you can check it out or buy it. The background it gives on who he is, why he came to be that way...totally killer stuff. By far my favorite of his now. :D

I've said this here before...I'm not sure what I'll do with the folder...but I'm not missing it - RYP says it's like the HEST - which I love...so I'm in on the LE version.
 
JarheadJournalist said:
This is taken from Benchmade's website. It is a fairly good description of both steels. If Benchmade is to be considered a credible source, and they are IMHO, then I think it is clear why D2 was chosen as the steel for this "hard use" folder.

S30V: An American made and developed premium grade stainless steel created especially for knives. It is a powder made steel with a uniform carbide distribution and clean steel properties. As a blade material it offers excellent corrosion resistance and superb edge qualities.

D2: An air-hardened tool steel, which offers good corrosion resistance and excellent mileage in wear resistance. A good choice for hard use applications.

Here's the link to the page where I found this info. Tons of good knowledge there.
http://www.benchmade.com/about_knives/our_blades.asp
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Hmm so they air harden their D2 as their "heat treat" or "Cold treat" like CS does?

It does seem as if S30V is a superior steel, but obviously it's more expensive.

What kind of heat treatment is this HEST/F getting? Everyone said the heat treatment is what brings the D2 up to a superior level.

I'm sure the guys at ESEE arent skimping either way.
 
Mattohn said:
that LE Mr. DP tool is godly, i am guessing there will only be 250 of those as well?
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yup thats right. but the regular production gets this guy:
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agoutihead said:
Hmm so they air harden their D2 as their "heat treat" or "Cold treat" like CS does?

It does seem as if S30V is a superior steel, but obviously it's more expensive.

What kind of heat treatment is this HEST/F getting? Everyone said the heat treatment is what brings the D2 up to a superior level.

I'm sure the guys at ESEE arent skimping either way.
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I do believe that S30V is a more expensive steel and possibly "superior" if you are looking for edge retention, but I don't think you can say this because it is more expensive. It is obviously made in smaller quantities since it is just for knives and is a newer steel. D2 has been around for a longer time and made in much higher quantities. The nature of economics make the first one more expensive.

A lot of knife makes prefer the tool grade steels for their hard use knives. They seem to take a beating better as the S30V seems to be the stuff used for high end safe queens or knives not intended to be used as a pry-bar.

That's my opinion, but I am no metallurgist. Would love it if one would weigh in on the subject. ;)
 
This has been debated many times but when it comes to cutting and keeping an edge, D2 is the material of choice. There has been a tendency to build in the 'stainless" factor in recent knives but that has nothing to do with cutting and is in fact a compromise.

Its kinda like the more horsepower, better mileage discussion. D2 is made for cutting and holding an edge and that's all it wants to do. You want a brutal use folder you need D2. You want it pretty..you add more chromium ;))).

D2 is highly resistent to staining but we coat the HEST blade to not only eliminate that problem but in the case of the First Run actually harden the blade beyond its normal specs. The Mil Spec coating is designed to seal the steel and lower the visual profile.

You can google the endless argument between D2 and S30V but here is just one thread:

http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=222840
 
I also believe that S30V tends to chip (rather than roll) if it's used hard. It has great edge retention at a cost - chipping... so it's not really a great hard-use knife material. There are fewer thick blades made of S30V for that reason (at least I believe). D2 is a great tool steel that's been proven over the years - it's not new and not exotic, but it works - just like the 1095 that we all love in the rest of the ESEE line-up. Are there "better" or "superior" steel to the 1095? I'm sure someone can make an argument for it. But does the RC/ESEE 1095 work great for all our knives? You bet! And we love'm because of it.

Is S30V "superior" over D2? Maybe. Will This HEST/F be great with the D2 steel? I'm betting my money on it! (let's see how it is when the preorders are fulfilled!)

Don't forget how well a company heat-treats their steel makes or break it as well!
 
Good point. I should point out that a lot of high end knives are made for a market and not a use.

Like "law enforcement" knives or "military" knives" or even "tactical" knives (WTF is a "tactical" knife anyways??":))

The HEST is made for a specific application. Cutting... and long, hard, brutal use away from civilization, sharpeners and repair places.

For example I will "blood" my HEST folder on my upcoming trip behind enemy lines in Burma. Conditions will be tropical, mud, extreme humidity etc etc. It will be my only personal blade (HEST fixed for the commanders of course) and it can't fail, be too heavy or get finicky when used for eating, surgery, camp building, cutting etc etc. I don't want it to glint, break, get dull or get lost...and I need to be open in my hand and locked if and when I need it in a pinch.

So I just want my stuff to work.
 
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RYP said:
Good point. I should point out that a lot of high end knives are made for a market and not a use.

Like "law enforcement" knives or "military" knives" or even "tactical" knives (WTF is a "tactical" knife anyways??":))

The HEST is made for a specific application. Cutting... and long, hard, brutal use away from civilization, sharpeners and repair places.

For example I will "blood" my HEST folder on my upcoming trip behind enemy lines in Burma. Conditions will be tropical, mud, extreme humidity etc etc. It will be my only personal blade (HEST fixed for the commanders of course) and it can't fail, be too heavy or get finicky when used for eating, surgery, camp building, cutting etc etc. I don't want it to glint, break, get dull or get lost...and I need to be open in my hand and locked if and when I need it in a pinch.

So I just want my stuff to work.
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That's great to hear and reassuring. Im looking for the same thing, a hard use folder. Bottom line. And something that will stand the test of time and i can pass off to my son as "dads folder"

Not to mention looking badass!!

The only reason I ask is because I see a lot of Ti frame locks using S30V, as I've been looking into those specific kinds of folders and I know strider uses it all lot and well their knives are tanks too.

But then I read their S30V was only superior when a certain individual was doing the heat treat. (I forgot his name, but everyone is familiar with the story)

What's your heat treatment on this blade?
 
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RYP said:
D2 is highly resistent to staining but we coat the HEST blade to not only eliminate that problem but in the case of the First Run actually harden the blade beyond its normal specs. The Mil Spec coating is designed to seal the steel and lower the visual profile.
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What is considered the "first run"? Just the 250 special edition, or will the 1st run of the "regular" production model have this special treatment as well?
 
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