Eating Coyote

tonym said:
Bobcats and Mountain lions are two very different animals. I don't think NY state deny that there are Bobcat.

http://www.dec.ny.gov/outdoor/29045.html
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my bad...I meant cougar, not bobcat. And the DEC says that they are not in the area I live in...not that they aren't in the state period.


Oh, and to the op...just shoot the thing. it trying to lure your dog into the woods means that it is a menace. For the sake of you, your dog, and any other dogs or cats that may live near, it needs to be put down.

and you don't need a .338 lapua to drop a coyote. a .223 will do nicely.
 
In my opinion, if a coyote presents a shot, you should take it. The things are typically cautious and cunning. If you have seen this creature without actively stalking it it is either desperate, diseased, or from the shallow end of the gene pool. No matter how you slice it you are doing everyone involved a favor by killing it.

It is interesting to note that some Native American tribes thought that the coyote would be the last animal alive on the earth. They are also the only North American predator that has expanded its range over the last 200 years.

It's admirable to want to use the meat of anything you kill, but in this case I would make an offering to the crows. Coyotes are pretty lean, and I still wouldn't rule out the possibility that this specimen is diseased.
 
Coyotes are very unpredictable wiley creatures. I've heard of them lure domestic dogs to their demise. I've also seen them play with domestic dogs just like one of their own. In many areas it's not all that uncommon to have them cross with domestic semi wild dogs. I've seen this. Just to keep your dogs safe I would get rid of that sucker. If you have any field lions(domestic cats) the sooner the better. They eat them like candy if given the chance.
 
sykes3170 said:
If you have any field lions(domestic cats) the sooner the better. They eat them like candy if given the chance.
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You're saying it like it's a bad thing. :)

I wouldn't eat anything that's full of rabies.
 
Troop said:
You're saying it like it's a bad thing. :
You said it, I didn't. Hahahahaha! So many cats, so few of recipes. Seriously, my cats keep the mice at bay around the house(outside). The ones I don't care for are the wild toms that come in and eat the kittens. They seem to die of lead poisoning.
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In my opinion alot of wild game tastes a lot like the stuff it eats. Such as corn fed Whitetail tastes much better then scrub brush fed Mule Deer. A coyote, being the survivor they are, eats ANY thing. Nasty, rotten, stinky you name it a coyote will eat it. Besides the taste, then you have whatever crude it maybe carrying like Mange, distemper, rabies the list goes on.

I say shot it, skin it, throw the rest away. Or use as bait for the next one.
 
Just as an aside, I've heard that you shouldn't eat the liver of a predator because it's too high in vitamin A and it can poison you.
 
Yorkshire Boy said:
Just as an aside, I've heard that you shouldn't eat the liver of a predator because it's too high in vitamin A and it can poison you.
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Some not all. It can be a problem with Polar Bears and Seals. Apart from that if it is mammal you can have it, same with birds, and at all stages of development.
 
baldtaco-II said:
Some not all. It can be a problem with Polar Bears and Seals. Apart from that if it is mammal you can have it, same with birds, and at all stages of development.
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I did read that it mostly concerns animals in polar regions. I found this article from a doctor of forensic toxicology:
http://prof_anil_aggrawal.tripod.com/poiso032.html

Here's a section of the page, for the lazy-types:
“Vitamin A originates in marine algae, and then passes up the food chain to reach the large carnivorous animals. Toxic levels of Vitamin A may accumulate in the livers of a wide range of creatures such as Polar bears, seals, porpoises, dolphins, sharks, whales, Arctic foxes and huskies.
Even a small meal of southern Australian seal liver, say 80 g, may produce illness in man. I may tell you that several foods are recommended as good sources of Vitamin A. Most of them contain well below the toxic levels of vitamin A, but one - Halibut liver oil - contains dangerously high amounts of Vitamin A, as you can see from the accompanying table. Source of Vitamin A Vitamin A content in
International Units (I.U.)
per gm of food Ox liver 550 Cod liver oil 600 Halibut liver oil 30,000 Table 1: Vitamin A content of some commonly
recommended foods rich in Vitamin A
In contrast look at the vitamin A contents of the livers of some common animals living in the polar regions in the following table. For comparison, I have also given the vitamin A content of the human liver. As you can see, most animals, especially the polar bear have very high amounts of Vitamin A in their livers. Common name Zoological name Vitamin A content of the liver
in International Units (I.U.)
per gm of specimen Weddel Seal Leptonychotes weddelli 444 Man Homo sapiens 575 Southern Elephant Seal Mirounga leonina 1,160 Antarctic huskies Canis familiaris 10,570 Arctic bearded seal Erignathus barbatus 12,000-14,000 Polar bear Thalarctos maritimus 24,000-35,000 Table 2: Vitamin A content of the livers of some common animals living
in polar regions - compared with that in humans
 
Coyotes are smart creatures, my guess is that if you were to take out a slingshot and land a couple of well placed shots they would learn and go away. Just speculatin'
 
knifephan said:
I live out in the mountains and recently heard a conversation that went similarly in a local shop. The proprietor of the shop made a similar argument against killing them to protect livestock (cows in this instance). He believed there are plenty of cows and coyotes should be protected as there are not a lot of them comparatively. Personally though I agree with the others, if I see one close enough to my house to be a threat to my dog or cats (rabbit sized animals) I would probably have to shoot it.

On a side note, I recently saw a mountain lion in my area. Fortunately for him I did not have the rifle on me. Funny thing about the mountain lion, the local game industry folks deny they exist in my neck of the woods, say they were wiped out. I would hate to kill something that is that close to extinct in the area, but they have been known to attack children in addition to small animals and there is a serious dilemma.
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?? did you get pics or take pics of his tracks, scat or the animal itself?? this is where i think most folks are full of poo when it comes to this. if you see a mtn lion. you need to have proof that he/she was even there. i have heard many tales of folks seeing mtn lions but they have nothing to back it up therefore = poo statement. how about go find some evidence. also a lot of folks mistake bobcats and etc from a distance with mtn lions.. sounds foolish i know but it does happen.

keep in mind i am not trying to negate what you think you saw but having proof would set this whole "are mtn lions gone in the east?" crap to rest. also there is a mtn lion thread somwhere around. we were posting on it last week or so. find it and post what you saw there please so we can discuss it

sorry to get off subject here.
 
As to the guy who said coyotes are small. I have on many occasions seen coyote that were easily shepard sized. Again, they are pack animals so you can't count them out from killing any sized livestock/pets. Another thing to worry about is coy dogs. The offspring of coyote and domestic dog. They are everybit as wild as coyote, but with none of the skiddishness of coyote. These animals can be VERY dangerous to animals and people alike.
 
kill em all and let jeebus sort em out. they are gaining some major ground in our area.
 
A young women was recently killed in Cannada(documented) and 2 people were attacked on the outskirts of New York city by Coyotes.My old bosses dog(some kind of lap dog)was mauled by one in her yard in a suburban area also.
We hunt them with hounds and I personnaly view them as Vermin.We didn't have Coyotes here until the 80s and there are more and more every year.Along with that the rabbit population is about 5 years past their 7 year population peak.Our Eastern yotes are extremely wise to people and from what I've seen on t.v. much harder to call.
 
coyotes are now found in all 50 states (not sure how they got to Hawaii), and are becoming a major problem at airports. At work (I'm an airline pilot), we regularly have to call ground control because they are running along the runway and/or taxiways. The guy in the truck comes out, shoots it, and throws the carcass in the back of the truck. Many a passenger has commented on that as they deplane.
 
hung-solo said:
?? did you get pics or take pics of his tracks, scat or the animal itself?? this is where i think most folks are full of poo when it comes to this. if you see a mtn lion. you need to have proof that he/she was even there. i have heard many tales of folks seeing mtn lions but they have nothing to back it up therefore = poo statement. how about go find some evidence. also a lot of folks mistake bobcats and etc from a distance with mtn lions.. sounds foolish i know but it does happen.

keep in mind i am not trying to negate what you think you saw but having proof would set this whole "are mtn lions gone in the east?" crap to rest. also there is a mtn lion thread somwhere around. we were posting on it last week or so. find it and post what you saw there please so we can discuss it

sorry to get off subject here.
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Just because 'authorities' say that certain animals are gone from an area doesn't mean a freakin' thing.
A wolverine was caught on film in the Sierras a while back - The EXPERTS were adamantly denying that wolverines populated the area prior to the photo.
Grey foxes were supposed to be gone from my area of Colorado and the local EXPERTS called us liars when we reported sightings. Even photographs with local landmarks and grey foxes didn't convince 'em that we weren't lying.
Lynx weren't supposed to be in Colorado... we found their tracks often and the locals had seen them. The EXPERTS said we were delusional. Funny how my micorbiologist friend, who could identify any track in North America, thought the local wildlife 'experts' perhaps didn't do very well in school. Wolverines aren't (at least weren't at the time) supposed to be in Colorado... wonder why their tracks petrified in the snow. Don't have a clue why God decided to let wolverine prints in the snow survive for so many decades after they have left the area... :rolleyes:
And the guy who said to leave the 'yotes that are leading the dogs into the sticks alone doesn't have a clue how coyotes operate.
A pack of coyotes can kill any dog. Dogs are such easy prey that coyotes have adapted their tactics pretty well to include domestic animals on the menu.
I've known many people who had their dogs (cats, pigs... whatever pets) killed by coyotes.
My advice? Kill the coyotes if they've lost the fear of you and your territory/pets. You need to lay down the rules in the way a wild animal can understand.

All that aside, I've found it's FAR safer to hike in critter country at night than it is to take my dog out for a potty run in the city.

Eating coyote?
Unsure... I've heard it's a bad idea, but wouldn't know.
 
JohnWayne360 said:
Coyotes are smart creatures, my guess is that if you were to take out a slingshot and land a couple of well placed shots they would learn and go away. Just speculatin'
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Coyotes are smart. if you ping them with a marble or a rock, they'll just learn to sneak around you.

I'm not fond of senseless killing. When it comes to coyotes, rats, crows, racoons, possums, gophers, mice, any animals that thrive on humans (farming, city trash, whatever) the killing isn't- in general- senseless.

Now, there's good and bad ways to handle it. a clean shot is far better than a slow poison or starving in a trap.

As I said up above, out in the desert, far from livestock range, I'm apt to leave them alone. But I live well within the coyote's natural habitat. A lot fo responses are coming from people outside of the coyote's previous natural habitat.

Now, habitats change- and we humans are (mostly for better, but not always) agents of change. The growth of coyote habitats is soemthing we're all going to have to adjust to, but that includes killing them.

You'd be hard pressed to find anyone from a ranching family or who lived with pets and livestock in the southwest 40 years ago who would avoid varminting a coyote on their land. (even if they didn't go out looking for them to hunt.)

Very, very few of the "protect the coyotes from evil man" people have been impacted by them.

Now, I don't think they need to be eradicated, genocided, or anything, but I also don't think that's *possible* without a genetically engineered plague.
 
The fact that we are even discussing this shows that many are far removed from the grit of reality by the convenience and relative safety of "civilization". If you have to pause and consider the "morality" of shooting something that obviously needs shooting and then wonder if you should eat it I'm not sure how to help you.

Do you eat the flies and mosquitos you swat? What about those on the grill of your car? What about the termites you poison so they dont damage your home? The mice in your walls? What if you run over a skunk, are you gonna eat that too? Would shooting it instead of running it over make it any more dead? How about an intruder in your home? People use the "I eat/use everything rule" to either make them feel better about what they do or to passify those who would disagree. Do you think the coyote is worried about the "morals" of eating your dogs alive? Do you think they would kill them quickly? Do a pic search on wolf kills.

I see two trains of thought on this subject. I am either given dominion by a Creator over other creatures or I am the most evolved preadator on the planet. Don't apologize or let others make you feel guilty about who you are. In the past I cant imagine men discussed these things. I would like to know what factors changed in society and then change them back.
Josh

Ps. There is a reason certain political factions have required waiting periods on firearms and not silly sling shots. Take responsibility, get a rifle, learn to use it. Then, step up and handle your business with no regrests.
 
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