Eating Coyote

[reconranger]

So I sighted in my 10/22 and got some 000 for the scattergun, if I see him again, near or far, he's going the way of the dodo bird. Thanks for the insights!

I have found that .22 shorts in a bolt action rifle, is quiet enough to use in places where it may not be exactly "legal" to discharge a firearm, but range is limited. If you choose the shotgun, #4 buck will give you a way denser pattern than 000, and a better chance at multiple hits.

We have large numbers of coyotes in the hills around my house. See them every day, and hear them every night. Neighbors and I asked the county what our options were to reduce the population, and they said it would only result in a huge increase in opossum, skunk, and racoon numbers....probably true. Just keeping the pets in at night, has worked perfectly well, for many years (the cats are real savy, and they tend to hang out up high and out of reach anyway). Also seeing deer sign in the hills, which use to be common back in the day, but haven't seen any for years. Deer are lions favorite prey species....

 

[koyote]

The fact that we are even discussing this shows that many are far removed from the grit of reality by the convenience and relative safety of "civilization". If you have to pause and consider the "morality" of shooting something that obviously needs shooting and then wonder if you should eat it I'm not sure how to help you.
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(edited out stuff that was getting overly religious and or political for me)

Yes, there are people who live far enough away from neolithic caves that shooting coyotes isn't "obvious".

Denigrating these people isn't necessarily the best way to win them over.

Personally, I like my reality to have a minimum of grit within the bounds of other choices. Living indoors may not be "gritty" but it is still reality, not fantasy.

Even if I'm killing a varmint, I do pause and consider the morality- clean shots, clean kills, inadvertent baiting (trash heaps don't make you moral)....

 

[koyote]

I have found that .22 shorts in a bolt action rifle, is quiet enough to use in places where it may not be exactly "legal" to discharge a firearm, but range is limited. If you choose the shotgun, #4 buck will give you a way denser pattern than 000, and a better chance at multiple hits.

000 will give you better range in the right shotgun. and one pellet is more likely to get a kill. My coyote load is 2 3/4 inch 00, but we have some hefty coyotes.

for the .22- if it shoots well in your firearm (and shorts generally suck donkey butt in a 10/22) I'd rather choose the aguila SSS subsonic 60 grain round. But a .22Lr subsonic that will cycle a 10/22 should do with really good shot placement. .22 isn't my choice for coyotes, though.

 

[JD Mandrell]

22 magnum works very well.

 

[hung-solo]

Just because 'authorities' say that certain animals are gone from an area doesn't mean a freakin' thing.
A wolverine was caught on film in the Sierras a while back - The EXPERTS were adamantly denying that wolverines populated the area prior to the photo.
Grey foxes were supposed to be gone from my area of Colorado and the local EXPERTS called us liars when we reported sightings. Even photographs with local landmarks and grey foxes didn't convince 'em that we weren't lying.
Lynx weren't supposed to be in Colorado... we found their tracks often and the locals had seen them. The EXPERTS said we were delusional. Funny how my micorbiologist friend, who could identify any track in North America, thought the local wildlife 'experts' perhaps didn't do very well in school. Wolverines aren't (at least weren't at the time) supposed to be in Colorado... wonder why their tracks petrified in the snow. Don't have a clue why God decided to let wolverine prints in the snow survive for so many decades after they have left the area...
And the guy who said to leave the 'yotes that are leading the dogs into the sticks alone doesn't have a clue how coyotes operate.
A pack of coyotes can kill any dog. Dogs are such easy prey that coyotes have adapted their tactics pretty well to include domestic animals on the menu.
I've known many people who had their dogs (cats, pigs... whatever pets) killed by coyotes.
My advice? Kill the coyotes if they've lost the fear of you and your territory/pets. You need to lay down the rules in the way a wild animal can understand.

All that aside, I've found it's FAR safer to hike in critter country at night than it is to take my dog out for a potty run in the city.

Eating coyote?
Unsure... I've heard it's a bad idea, but wouldn't know.

I guess you do not know much about the eastern panthers do ya?? if you were to read my post again you will see i was not negating what he said. i was just mentioning when you see something like (which would be rare at best on the east coast) a panther, go get some evidence. i am very aware of what wildlife officials say and do.

 

[BloodGroove4570]

I was out squirrel hunting last tuesday, I had my 3 month old Jack russel Beagle mix pup along with me, it was a really windy day hunting a little slow. I had brought along some venison to cook up so decided to get to fire building, i started to get the wood cut up before lighting, snapping and chopping and was quite loud about it, before i new what was going on the pup started barking and growling like i never heard before. As i stood up from where i was working i turned to see a very large coyote 20 feet from pup and closing, he could have cared less about me HE HAD FRESH PUP ON HIS MIND, but 1 well placed 22mag out of my single six gave him something alot different to think about... It sure is funny how hard it was for him too run far when he couldnt hold any air..... Pup had the last laugh and was barking overtop of him in the end... BYE BYE Roadrunner

P.S. The crows are probably thanking me!

 

[reconranger]

I teach microbiology/parasitology/immunology to medical students, and I would not recommend eating anything you kill! There are so many parasites and bacterial diseases out there that you could pick up....it's just not worth the risk! Hell, I don't even trust meat from the supermarket. Chances are that your doctor may never have seen a case like yours before, and might miss the diagnosis. But...if your desire is to become part of the food chain yourself, and be vulnerable to the workings of natural selection....then go for it!

Go find some wild edible plants to snack on if you want some outdoorsey food!

 

[hung-solo]

I teach microbiology/parasitology/immunology to medical students, and I would not recommend eating anything you kill! There are so many parasites and bacterial diseases out there that you could pick up....it's just not worth the risk! Hell, I don't even trust meat from the supermarket. Chances are that your doctor may never have seen a case like yours before, and might miss the diagnosis. But...if your desire is to become part of the food chain yourself, and be vulnerable to the workings of natural selection, then go for it!

Go find some wild edible plants to snack on if you want some outdoorsey food!

thats why you cook your game very well or atleast try.. also if you get sick you can also say "hey doc i had some deer or squirrel a week ago". then let the doc do the research.. also you have think about how many people eat fresh game meat and live to tell about it.. i mean if we had to be uber safe and just ate wild plants we would be in a world of hurt... part of my wants to ridicule the hell out of you but i am not bc there are things that other animals carry that can and will get you pretty sick.. but this falls back on cooking and preparing the meal properly..

 

[j_d]

(edited out stuff that was getting overly religious and or political for me)

Yes, there are people who live far enough away from neolithic caves that shooting coyotes isn't "obvious".

Denigrating these people isn't necessarily the best way to win them over.

Personally, I like my reality to have a minimum of grit within the bounds of other choices. Living indoors may not be "gritty" but it is still reality, not fantasy.

Even if I'm killing a varmint, I do pause and consider the morality- clean shots, clean kills, inadvertent baiting (trash heaps don't make you moral)....

Koyote, my intention is not to denigrate anyone, nor is it to make any religious or political statments. I tried hard to remain neutral about that (hence the two opposing views of how we got here and lack of argument for or against the issue of waiting periods for firearms). Wanting to make clean kills and not purposely causing anything more pain than it takes to get the job done goes without saying.

I imagine I enjoy a soft bed, central air, plastic wrapped steaks and safe streets as much as you or anyone else, however these are part of the thin veneer of civilization that we enjoy and is all well and good until something breaks in and interrupts it. This could be a storm, disaster, a criminal, or even a coyote. In that event a man should be in the frame of mind to handle himself, not debating the issue in his own mind. It seems that this type of P.C. thinking where one must always question the validity of his own action according to the opinion of everyone else is on the increase. I dont think many in my grandfathers generation would have questioned the morality of the scenario posted. Take it back another hundred years to those who lived on the land and they most certainly would not have thought twice about what to do.

If a man is not sure if it is "right" to protect his dog on his property from a predator/varmit what will he do if the two legged type of varmit breaks into the home where his children are sleeping or (as previously posted on this forum) if while on the wilderness trail, away from civilization they run across someone with rape and murder on their mind. If you cant drop the hammer on a coyote that wants to eat your dog will you have the moral fortitude to drop the hammer on a person that wants you harm your family or yourself? I have my doubts.

This is meant as constructive criticisim, not denigration. Unfortunately some see all criticism as negative and some folks dont know how to handle that anymore either. The times in my life where a man spoke clearly and pointedly to me were not always comfortable but they were valuable.

The written format is not the best for conveying motive but this is the same converstation I would have had with my son if he came to me with the same question except I would have included my "religious" and political beliefs that I refrained from posting here. (we are discussing morality, right? its hard to do with out any political or religious inference) I actually had a conversation like this with him when his sisters got stung by a bunch of ground hornets in the yard. He and I went out that night after they all would have returned to the nest and burnt them out. We then discussed the moral issues of protecting ones family and the extent to which we would go to do so.

The poster clearly takes responsibility for his dog and knew in his heart that it was his responsibility to protect it. He knew instinctively what to do but hesitated and stopped to question the made up (not by him) argument that you should eat everything you shoot to be a moral person. I am encouraging him to not hesitate and do the right thing in this and even more important decisions he may be called upon to make in the future and then to NOT APOLOGIZE.
Regards,
Josh

 

[termiteslayer]

I guess you do not know much about the eastern panthers do ya?? if you were to read my post again you will see i was not negating what he said. i was just mentioning when you see something like (which would be rare at best on the east coast) a panther, go get some evidence. i am very aware of what wildlife officials say and do.

Yeah, lotta snipe stories out there come to think of it.
Yet again I ran my mouth before the coffee fully kicked in.:foot:
I'll shut up now...

 

[teacher]

In your position, I'd kill the coyote & skin him... then get the claws and whatever else I wanted. The rest would be left for whatever wanted it.
I personally would not eat it unless I was absolutely starving.:thumbup:

I'd do all the above with not one second thought.

 

[koyote]

Koyote, my intention is not to denigrate anyone, nor is it to make any religious or political statments. I tried hard to remain neutral about that (hence the two opposing views of how we got here and lack of argument for or against the issue of waiting periods for firearms). Wanting to make clean kills and not purposely causing anything more pain than it takes to get the job done goes without saying.

I imagine I enjoy a soft bed, central air, plastic wrapped steaks and safe streets as much as you or anyone else, however these are part of the thin veneer of civilization that we enjoy and is all well and good until something breaks in and interrupts it. This could be a storm, disaster, a criminal, or even a coyote. In that event a man should be in the frame of mind to handle himself, not debating the issue in his own mind. It seems that this type of P.C. thinking where one must always question the validity of his own action according to the opinion of everyone else is on the increase. I dont think many in my grandfathers generation would have questioned the morality of the scenario posted. Take it back another hundred years to those who lived on the land and they most certainly would not have thought twice about what to do.

If a man is not sure if it is "right" to protect his dog on his property from a predator/varmit what will he do if the two legged type of varmit breaks into the home where his children are sleeping or (as previously posted on this forum) if while on the wilderness trail, away from civilization they run across someone with rape and murder on their mind. If you cant drop the hammer on a coyote that wants to eat your dog will you have the moral fortitude to drop the hammer on a person that wants you harm your family or yourself? I have my doubts.

This is meant as constructive criticisim, not denigration. Unfortunately some see all criticism as negative and some folks dont know how to handle that anymore either. The times in my life where a man spoke clearly and pointedly to me were not always comfortable but they were valuable.

The written format is not the best for conveying motive but this is the same converstation I would have had with my son if he came to me with the same question except I would have included my "religious" and political beliefs that I refrained from posting here. (we are discussing morality, right? its hard to do with out any political or religious inference) I actually had a conversation like this with him when his sisters got stung by a bunch of ground hornets in the yard. He and I went out that night after they all would have returned to the nest and burnt them out. We then discussed the moral issues of protecting ones family and the extent to which we would go to do so.

The poster clearly takes responsibility for his dog and knew in his heart that it was his responsibility to protect it. He knew instinctively what to do but hesitated and stopped to question the made up (not by him) argument that you should eat everything you shoot to be a moral person. I am encouraging him to not hesitate and do the right thing in this and even more important decisions he may be called upon to make in the future and then to NOT APOLOGIZE.
Regards,
Josh

Josh-

i understand all your points - editing out the political and religious bits is just to avoid going down that road. (I must especially note that I'm on a third option not covered by the "both" sides of christian and atheist.)

I guess two things stuck out at me - the "obvious" bit- what's obvious to you, the implication is, shoulda, oughtta, must be obvious to anyone who isn't... well, somehow wrong/lesser/something.

I understand that's not your intention, but it's a very valid point in how people react to the idea of varmint hunting. It simply isn't obvious to people who don't have varmint issues.

The other part was the idea of reality necessarily being "gritty". We talked about that, I understand your views- though I tend to think part of being human is making that thin veneer whenever possible. (I don't think it's so thin, either. I mean, look at the plumbing in neolithic scotland!)

People have a lot of ways to deal with death, and causing death. One basic moral aspect that's come up is "kill it, eat it." Going beyond that you have to look at things, because it's not always obvious- especially if you haven't made your decisions yet.. Like out here, shooting coyote on sight, anywhere, anywhen, doesn't work for me. They do have a natural range and place out here, after all.

 

[sodak]

I follow the idea that coyotes in their natural habitat (you might want to look that up) should be left well enough alone, but near livestock and populous areas they need to be controlled every bit as much as any other scavenging predator with a breeding explosion problem.

That's a pretty good summary of what I think. I'm not for or against coyotes, but I will readily admit if I were a rancher, that opinion might change.

I've got no problem with killing and leaving it. You're not hunting, you're culling, and there is a difference there. Same if there were a bunch of elk rounded up with CWD. I'd cull them, but I wouldn't eat them. I don't care who says it would be safe, I'm not going to do it. If others wanted to, I wouldn't stand in their way.

YMMV.

 

[hung-solo]

Yeah, lotta snipe stories out there come to think of it.
Yet again I ran my mouth before the coffee fully kicked in.:foot:
I'll shut up now...

NP, i do it even after coffee.

 

[Zombie Zeke]

The fact that we are even discussing this shows that many are far removed from the grit of reality by the convenience and relative safety of "civilization". If you have to pause and consider the "morality" of shooting something that obviously needs shooting and then wonder if you should eat it I'm not sure how to help you.

Do you eat the flies and mosquitos you swat? What about those on the grill of your car? What about the termites you poison so they dont damage your home? The mice in your walls? What if you run over a skunk, are you gonna eat that too? Would shooting it instead of running it over make it any more dead? How about an intruder in your home? People use the "I eat/use everything rule" to either make them feel better about what they do or to passify those who would disagree. Do you think the coyote is worried about the "morals" of eating your dogs alive? Do you think they would kill them quickly? Do a pic search on wolf kills.

I see two trains of thought on this subject. I am either given dominion by a Creator over other creatures or I am the most evolved preadator on the planet. Don't apologize or let others make you feel guilty about who you are. In the past I cant imagine men discussed these things. I would like to know what factors changed in society and then change them back.
Josh

Ps. There is a reason certain political factions have required waiting periods on firearms and not silly sling shots. Take responsibility, get a rifle, learn to use it. Then, step up and handle your business with no regrests.

Yeah that's gettin into the deep end of the relativity pool. The incidental kills, bugs, vermin and the like are not something I regularly give heavy thought to, although I have been known to take spiders outside along with crickets. Am I hippie, commie, leftie for doing it? Hmmm. Maybe. Let's just say I know enough to ask for advice on things I don't know enough about, friend. :thumbup:

 

[Zombie Zeke]

000 will give you better range in the right shotgun. and one pellet is more likely to get a kill. My coyote load is 2 3/4 inch 00, but we have some hefty coyotes.

for the .22- if it shoots well in your firearm (and shorts generally suck donkey butt in a 10/22) I'd rather choose the aguila SSS subsonic 60 grain round. But a .22Lr subsonic that will cycle a 10/22 should do with really good shot placement. .22 isn't my choice for coyotes, though.

Me and my 10/22 are one in the Jedi sense, baby, I have no doubt about putting the shot in the right place.

 

[BloodGroove4570]

So whats the outcome? is the coyote still baiting your dog or is the coyote your dogs snack?

 

[Zombie Zeke]

So whats the outcome? is the coyote still baiting your dog or is the coyote your dogs snack?

I haven't seen it since I posted this thread, doesn't mean he's not around though, hopefully he just met up with the big cat that comes by every now and then...

 

[jonnyt16]

Me and my 10/22 are one in the Jedi sense, baby, I have no doubt about putting the shot in the right place.

You know, if you do end up dispatching the thing, pics are mandatory!

 

[Zombie Zeke]

You know, if you do end up dispatching the thing, pics are mandatory!

Yep. I am already thinking of tanning methods (using brains and a frame ). Weather has been no good so hopefully it'll clear up here before I get a shot.