Ebay seller "SPORTCOLBS" ... Listing descriptions misleading

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rprocter said:
Karda, it's pointless to try to discuss this with you.
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But you arent even trying to discuss this?
You only want to impugne me for being the messenger.
If you truly wanted to discuss this you would provide some corroboration as i have.
Discuss the message, not the messenger.
 
Seals said:
This seller always has many knives for sale.He obviously buys collections and moves everything he gets.He gives a short ,not great description.Sometimes not even accurate.He probably cleans and sometimes or often overcleans the items he's selling.He seems to sell everything from low end China stuff to upper tier collector items.Ive bid on his items before and won a couple for a decent price.My experience was good,but i do think its a buyer beware situation.The red bone deal is a search item trick.He walks a fine line for sure,but does have some nice items.I doubt he's intentionally selling fakes.But if he bought a collection with some in it,im pretty sure he would pass them along and plead ignorance should he be called out.
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rprocter said:
Seals, i think you have given a FAIR assessment of this seller. Your experience mirrors my own: some good knives for a good price. And, as i stated earlier, he did accept the 1 knife i wanted to return, with no hassles and full refund.
Furthermore he does not post blurry pics to hide something. His pics are clear and a knowledgeable person can make a solid assessment from them.
My objections in this thread are to those who are not being FAIR.
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tendy said:
Yes I agree completely with Seals assessment, also he has actually purchased knives from sportscolb and is in a position to give an honest critique. Roland I think you hit the nail on the head, its all about being fair.
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Search item tricks, and walking a fine line, are just continuations of past practices. It is true I have not bought any knives from him, even though I have looked at some. He does list some nice looking knives, but for me, a persons credibilty and honesty are far more important than any knife.
When he refused to edit the knives I questioned him about,even after acknowledging they were NOT AS LISTED, made my decision about dealing with him. Maybe thats my loss.

rprocter said:
Karda, you extrapolate unfairly. None of us has said that his knives "bears no need for scrutiny". By trying to discredit others by manipulating what they have said, you simply discredit yourself.
Every knife on ebay "bears scrutiny", and this can only be done if the seller posts clear pics, multiple views, which Sportcolbs does.
Certainly this seller's listings are not above reproach. Again, no one has posted such. However, the way in which this seller does list, what he says and does not say, is common among ebay knife sellers. He is simply about average.
I have learned from years of reading in the BRL forum that there is little benefit to reading any sellers' description. Instead, enlarge the pics. and "read the knife". Sportcolbs provides good pics.
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I don't think Karda has manipulated anything, anyone has said. He has simply stated information from credible sources, and everyone refuses to accept that. It is true that it is up to th ebuyer to make a decision, and good pics do help, but thre are people who are not total knife nuts like many of us here, and don't have the knowledge to know exactly what they are buying. I know when I first started, I sure didn't.
So is it fair that someone who is just starting out, should have to worry about buying something that may not be what they think it is ?

Roland, you mention learning in BRL's s/f that it is best to not pay attention to the description, and "Read the knife"... That is very true, and great information for those that know how to do that. However, everyone has dismissed, and walked around the facts, that BRL has posted pertaining to this sellers practices...

gomle said:
I think a seller who sells thousands of knives, don't have the time and money to sit and carefully go trough every knife that he sells. Clear pictures tells the story. The rating on ebay also tells that sportcolbs is a good guy.

This is what sportcolbs tells in every add:

"We try to describe our knives as accurately as possible, but sometimes we miss something. If we have please contact us so we can make resolution. Thanks for your business!"
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The seller not having time to go through every knife is a cop out. It is their responsibility... The fact that the seller states to contact them about mistakes, is just feel good words. He proved that when he failed to fix the listings I brought to his attention. It sounds great, but if they don't do anything, its meaningless

Karda said:
And if you read any of my links you will see how contacting the seller goes....both good and bad.
The seller has been informed many times about his descriptions and knives and so far has changed nothing.
A notorious "dealer" here had many good feedbacks, but was still a shady character whom was banned for his practices.
A good feedback rating must be taken in context with his actions.
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Exactly... Eventually the seller will screw someone that has a lot of knowledge, and no patience for "playing the game", and his house will crumble down, just like others have in the past.

I don't understand why so many people want to defend this seller, and totally dismiss the fact that he has a less than honorable history.

I guess people only want to hear, what they want to hear. As I said earlier, this thread was not to boycott Sportcolbs sales, but to bring attention to his practices.
I'm sure he will continue to sell many more knives in the future, they just won't be bought by me...
 
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Again, Karda you - YOU - continue to make accusations about this seller selling fake knives. You - have nothing other than your opinion that you think they should be watched, that they used to be associated with Parker, etc. YOU have not proven in one instance that this seller has sold a fake knife. That is the point of contention. Does the seller overestimate the condition of some knives - probably on some - but pics are clear and multiple for anyone to decide themselves. Are some probably rebuffed (somewhere in life) likely - but again pics are clear for all to see. Could the seller be tighter on their descriptions - probably. But have you proved they sell fake knives. No, No, and No. Yet you continue to jump up and down and cry faker based on your imagination. I asked you to look at all the 200+ knives and show a fake one. You did not, won't and apparently can't. However you continue to insist anyone who disagrees with your labeling of seller as a known and pretigious faker.as simply dumb and incapable of buying a knife on our own.....because that is your opinion. Hence gulity w/o proof. Sorry dude - it does not work that way. No one else has to prove he is not a faker - you have to prove he is. Why is that so hard for you to understand??????? Posting some link to someone who bought a knife they were not happy with condition of 5 years ago from seller (that he accepted return and refunded on) is not any proof of him being a faker. In fact it proves he stands behind his return policy.
Posting a link where Bernie claims he is a horse trader - does not make him a faker. Bernie has knowledge on certain genre of knives - no question, but again no proof that this seller is a faker. Bernie's "opinionated views" of things and people in the knife biz are well known and continue to have many good industry folks roll their eyes. Some folks like to drink koolaide and listen to yarns of conspirasy theories and stories of intrigue. You like it apparently, but some here do not need others to do their thinking for them - facts are stubborn things.
At least you are not threatening people who dissagree with you with infractions or banning now; so maybe you have at least taken one step is a positive direction.
I will agree with you thought that the seller can make some improvement in the description of ALL the knives they are selling. As a result should one take the care to really look at all the pics - yes. Have you proven the seller is a faker...NO not even close.
 
Gastonknife said:
Again, Karda you - YOU - continue to make accusations about this seller selling fake knives. You - have nothing other than your opinion that you think they should be watched, that they used to be associated with Parker, etc. YOU have not proven in one instance that this seller has sold a fake knife. That is the point of contention. Does the seller overestimate the condition of some knives - probably on some - but pics are clear and multiple for anyone to decide themselves. Are some probably rebuffed (somewhere in life) likely - but again pics are clear for all to see. Could the seller be tighter on their descriptions - probably. But have you proved they sell fake knives. No, No, and No. Yet you continue to jump up and down and cry faker based on your imagination. I asked you to look at all the 200+ knives and show a fake one. You did not, won't and apparently can't. However you continue to insist anyone who disagrees with your labeling of seller as a known and pretigious faker.as simply dumb and incapable of buying a knife on our own.....because that is your opinion. Hence gulity w/o proof. Sorry dude - it does not work that way. No one else has to prove he is not a faker - you have to prove he is. Why is that so hard for you to understand??????? Posting some link to someone who bought a knife they were not happy with condition of 5 years ago from seller (that he accepted return and refunded on) is not any proof of him being a faker. In fact it proves he stands behind his return policy.
Posting a link where Bernie claims he is a horse trader - does not make him a faker. Bernie has knowledge on certain genre of knives - no question, but again no proof that this seller is a faker. Bernie's "opinionated views" of things and people in the knife biz are well known and continue to have many good industry folks roll their eyes. Some folks like to drink koolaide and listen to yarns of conspirasy theories and stories of intrigue. You like it apparently, but some here do not need others to do their thinking for them - facts are stubborn things.
At least you are not threatening people who dissagree with you with infractions or banning now; so maybe you have at least taken one step is a positive direction.
I will agree with you thought that the seller can make some improvement in the description of ALL the knives they are selling. As a result should one take the care to really look at all the pics - yes. Have you proven the seller is a faker...NO not even close.
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Apparently, you must work on your reading comprehension.

Did i say, he WAS a faker....No.
Did i say i had my suspicions and it was my opinion....yes.
Did i back up my claims with not one, but at least 3 or more sources whom were credible...yes.
Did i say anyone shouldnt buy from these sellers....No
Did i say "Caveat Emptor".....you bet i did!
Did i threaten you that you were close to a trolling infraction when you in fact were?....yes
Did i threaten to ban you....No
Have i infracted you....No
Did you, tendy or roland even offer anything of substance to support your position....besides snide remarks, trolling and accusations of abuse....No


Those are facts.
 
Again reading comprehension is needed in order to understand...
Life is very tough on some people when the world isn't how they feel it should be or think it is.
That is another fact......
 
Karda said:
Again reading comprehension is needed in order to understand...
Life is very tough on some people when the world isn't how they feel it should be or think it is.
That is another fact......
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No facts?? Do not assume things. I said and I quote "No, we all have the same rights here, as you state your opinions so freely, others may also. Fact sportscolb has a feedback rating of 99.9% with in excess of 28000 sales. Are you trying to tell all that in over 28,000 the buyers were just gullible and did not know any better. For the sake of accuracy and fairness where is your proof?" I provided documented proof of over 28000 sales by sportscolb with a satisfaction rate at 99.9%, to support my opinion, hard cold facts, documented over a 13 year period that sportscolb has been selling on Ebay. You don't get that kind of score on Ebay by faking, and or swindling people. As for the remark about snide comments, you clearly need to read some of your responses, which at times were extremely sarcastic, anyways I think I am done with this and possibly my membership though I love BF, I have a hard time biding intimidation and what in my opinion is a conflict of interest. Anyways good luck all.
 
tendy said:
No facts?? Do not assume things. I said and I quote "No, we all have the same rights here, as you state your opinions so freely, others may also. Fact sportscolb has a feedback rating of 99.9% with in excess of 28000 sales. Are you trying to tell all that in over 28,000 the buyers were just gullible and did not know any better. For the sake of accuracy and fairness where is your proof?" I provided documented proof of over 28000 sales by sportscolb with a satisfaction rate at 99.9%, to support my opinion, hard cold facts, documented over a 13 year period that sportscolb has been selling on Ebay. You don't get that kind of score on Ebay by faking, and or swindling people. As for the remark about snide comments, you clearly need to read some of your responses, which at times were extremely sarcastic, anyways I think I am done with this and possibly my membership though I love BF, I have a hard time biding intimidation and what in my opinion is a conflict of interest. Anyways good luck all.
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If you feel intimidated by the responses in this thread, you must be very thin skinned. Because you feel intimidated, and think there is a conflict of interest, you are thinking of leaving BF's ? Why would a reasonable person do that, just because you have a bad taste for one thread ? This Forum has a lot to offer, but there will always be things we don't agree with, that others say. Its the same in day to day life, and we just have to learn to dismiss it, and move on... Re: the "conflict of interest" you mentioned, moderators are members too, and are entitled to their opinion. If Karda had not posted any links pertaining to this subject, it would have been different, but he did. You and others just chose to dismiss those links. That is your right if you feel strongly about something. It is an opinion..
If you truly think Karda was out of line, you should have reported him. You have a right to do that, and if Spark or any of the SuperMods feel he was out of line, they would deal with it... This thread is no secret, if anyone would have noticed behavior by Karda that was unacceptable, it would have already been dealt with.
Personally I don't see it... The only thing I see is, difference of opinion.

You, like others, are more than welcome to your thoughts and opinions pertaining to the original post. Yourself and Gaston already have your minds made up about this matter. The links to "Character" of Sportscolb, provided by Karda, are meaningless, and hold no merit, according to you and Gaston...

I'm not saying everything that those people say is gospel, but these are people that see a different side of the industry, than we do. Can't speak for you though, because you have given no facts to dispell these theories. Perhaps all the doubters have just not come forward with evidence for their agrument. This thread is 6 pages deep, and haven't seen it yet, so I doubt it is going to happen.

All we can do is take all the information provided, do some research, and make cautious decisions about who we deal with, and what we buy...
That was the only intent of my original post. Nothing more, nothing less. Members have posted that they had good dealings with the seller, and not once were they belittled or criticized because of those statements.
Oh, and yes I do still have the e-mails from this seller, stating that the knife was not as described, and the link to the auctions that show he never edited them.
If he would have just corrected the listing description after being called on it, this thread would have never been started...

This thread stopped being productive a long time ago, and I doubt it will change. I will leave it open until tonight when I go to bed, for anyone that has any remarks to add, pertaing to this post, or any other comments. Then it will be closed...
 
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tendy said:
No facts?? Do not assume things. I said and I quote "No, we all have the same rights here, as you state your opinions so freely, others may also. Fact sportscolb has a feedback rating of 99.9% with in excess of 28000 sales. Are you trying to tell all that in over 28,000 the buyers were just gullible and did not know any better. For the sake of accuracy and fairness where is your proof?" I provided documented proof of over 28000 sales by sportscolb with a satisfaction rate at 99.9%, to support my opinion, hard cold facts, documented over a 13 year period that sportscolb has been selling on Ebay. You don't get that kind of score on Ebay by faking, and or swindling people. As for the remark about snide comments, you clearly need to read some of your responses, which at times were extremely sarcastic, anyways I think I am done with this and possibly my membership though I love BF, I have a hard time biding intimidation and what in my opinion is a conflict of interest. Anyways good luck all.
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Tendy, hang in there bro
Need to have a few folks around here that don't drink the koolaide. LOL
John
 
Gastonknife said:
Tendy, hang in there bro
Need to have a few folks around here that don't drink the koolaide. LOL
John
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Not really much of a parting statement before I lock this down. Not surprised though, you haven't really added anything to the discussion anyway...
I gave people notice that I was closing this thread tonight, so they would have one last chance at contributing something worthwhile, not just a continuation of the mindless dribble, and refusal to look at this topic with an open mind...

Your comment about the Kool Aid can go both directions. Judging from your posts, you have shared a glass or two with the seller in question.
 
338375 said:
Not really much of a parting statement before I lock this down. Not surprised though, you haven't really added anything to the discussion anyway...
I gave people notice that I was closing this thread tonight, so they would have one last chance at contributing something worthwhile, not just a continuation of the mindless dribble, and refusal to look at this topic with an open mind...

Your comment about the Kool Aid can go both directions. Judging from your posts, you have shared a glass or two with the seller in question.
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Mike, go back and read the posts.
You may realize that I am not disagreeing with several of your points. As I told you - I do not know sportcolbs - so stop thinking an opinion is a fact.
My issue is that Karda fails to offer any proof of him being a knife faker and part of a conspiracy to sell new fake knives as old genuine ones.
Where do you see proof that the seller is selling fake knives? Who besides Karda has said he sells fake knives? Who has shown that out of the 200+ knives he is selling is a fake?
There is a valid arguement for looking closely at what you are buying....no one said you should not.........always been the case. If you think that there is no value in being innocent until proven gulity; then not much I can do to help.
 
Gastonknife said:
Mike, go back and read the posts.
You may realize that I am not disagreeing with several of your points. As I told you - I do not know sportcolbs - so stop thinking an opinion is a fact.
My issue is that Karda fails to offer any proof of him being a knife faker and part of a conspiracy to sell new fake knives as old genuine ones.
Where do you see proof that the seller is selling fake knives? Who besides Karda has said he sells fake knives? Who has shown that out of the 200+ knives he is selling is a fake?
There is a valid arguement for looking closely at what you are buying....no one said you should not.........always been the case. If you think that there is no value in being innocent until proven gulity; then not much I can do to help.
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Understood... In all honesty, I can still remember seeing knives from Sportscolb, when he first started selling on Ebay. My first thought was, he has some great looking knives. He still does. I won't argue that point. I think Kardas intent to bring up more information pertaining to Sportscolb, was good. I'm sure many haven't read that information, and it tied together with the reason for my original post.

Maybe it isn't fair that some of us take the words from people we consider knowledgeable. As I mentioned earlier, it doesn't mean that what they say is gospel. BUt when you read the same things, from different people, you really have to wonder what is going on, and give it serious consideration.

Even some who have bought from him, have stated that a person needs to really look at what they are buying, and that the seller walks a fine line.
If this thread can get one person to really evaluate what they are buying beforehand, then it has served a purpose. This doesn't go just for Sportscolb, but from anyone online...

Hopefully this made sense. I have a killer migraine, and am not thinking very clearly right now.
 
To me, whether it can be proven that the seller in question is not dealing in good faith isn't the issue here. The issue is that various folks have suspicions or just a funny feeling about said seller and it's worth voicing these opinions. The knife collecting community isn't all that large and there are plenty who look out only for themselves - I, for one, am grateful when others share their expertise or give evidence (even if it is circumstantial) to support suspicions I've had (even if it's just the case that someone besides myself has similar thoughts about a particular individual). Remember, his particular forum isn't only about reporting those who have perpetrated rip-offs or given stellar service but also to give buyers and sellers a venue to suss out if there really is fire where there's smoke.
 
JAB said:
To me, whether it can be proven that the seller in question is not dealing in good faith isn't the issue here. The issue is that various folks have suspicions or just a funny feeling about said seller and it's worth voicing these opinions. The knife collecting community isn't all that large and there are plenty who look out only for themselves - I, for one, am grateful when others share their expertise or give evidence (even if it is circumstantial) to support suspicions I've had (even if it's just the case that someone besides myself has similar thoughts about a particular individual). Remember, his particular forum isn't only about reporting those who have perpetrated rip-offs or given stellar service but also to give buyers and sellers a venue to suss out if there really is fire where there's smoke.
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Well said Jason.. On that note, I think it is time to shut this one down
 
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