Ebay seller "SPORTCOLBS" ... Listing descriptions misleading

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This one is too easy! Those who suspect and speculate are relatively safe, as they will not buy in the first place. Those who insist on verifiable proof will probably continue to buy and then one day they will receive in the mail their "verifiable proof", at some financial loss.

Case closed????:rolleyes:

Paul

Very easy indeed :thumbup:

Wrong. I have the original tang stamp die for the Schrade 171UH and another I forget. Quite a few Schrade collectors have one or more and a few have dozens. Stamping dies usually get sold as either scrap metal or as collectables when a company goes belly up. They don't get crushed as a matter of course.

I stand corrected Michael... I don't have a problem admitting I was wrong, or misspoke. I would still have to think that the overall number of them floating around, is still be very small . Maybe not. Maybe they are more common than I originally thought.

The fact remains though, that the seller misrepresented the knives in question, and chose not to edit the listings, after being questioned about them.

Earlier, I got to wondering about the knives that were listed as red bone, but were not. Did the people that won those auctions, buy thinking they were red bone knives, and they couldn't tell the difference, or did they just bid according to the pictures posted and dismiss the description ?

I will never know, and it really doesn't matter, but I'm still curious
 
How about one labeled as "near mint" with obvious pepper stains and buffing?

Photo 2. Obvious difference in level of polish between tang and master blade- not something seen on Catts of that vintage. Also notice the remaining pits visible on the small blade in that photo. Not bad condition, but far from "near mint".

Which/What seller are we talking about, Sword and Shield?

I'm a little confused. Not sure if S&S intended to post pictures or which knife & seller he was referring to

What part of "speculation" and "my opinion" don't you understand?
I won't bore you with the wiki definitions for them.
Still not one shred at all of evidence to refute what I, BRL, A.G. Russell or Dean Case has posted.

Meanwhile we live with the parker legacy.....
http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php/901765-Older-Marbles-Stag-Woodcraft

They guys you listed are very respectable, as well as knowledgeable. I don't think any of them would take to slinging mud, just to be slinging mud.
 
Still waiting for one of you to back up your inuendos by taking a look at the over 200+ knives the seller has on ebay right now and show us the fakes.

waiting..........waiting
If you can do that - I'll be happy to agree with you.

None of your silly - "I know better than you" responses is going to work - so step up and back up your accusations.

waiting
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Karda, why do you need to insult me because my opinion differs from yours ? "Since you and rproctor are such experts and don't buy any fake knives".
At no time have i ever considered myself an expert or posted anything to infer such. Further more i have bought numerous fake knives, discovered to be 'fake' by posting them in the BRL forum. They have been an important part of my knife education.
By distorting like this you loose credibility.
My point is the old caveat "Buyer Beware".
This admonition is likely centuries old. It tells us that full disclosure sellers of anything (knives, cars, houses, etc.) are the exception. The 'rule' is for a seller to present the object for sale in a manner that promotes it's sale.
I have bought over 5000 knives on ebay, so have dealt with a great many sellers. I know Sportcolbs is not a full disclosure seller, i.e. not part of the "exception". He is in the majority group to which "Buyer Beware" applies. Based on my considerable ebay experience he is about average in his degree of omitting to say certain aspects and glossing over others.
He absolutely is not one of the "Bad Guys" who regularly fake knives and foist them off as original.
Furthermore, Sportcolbs accepts returns and gives full refunds without hassling the buyer or banning him from future bidding. Numerous other sellers i have bought from refuse to refund and simply say "you bought it; it's yours now".
I did not post here because i like this guy. I posted here because it is an injustice to single this seller out as a 'bad guy' when his business practices reflect the the ethics most commonly found in North American sellers.
When buying anything from anybody it is "Buyer Beware". Has been for a long time and likely will be for a long time.
Sportcolbs is simply "average".
roland
 
Karda, ***snip snip***
I did not post here because i like this guy. I posted here because it is an injustice to single this seller out as a 'bad guy' when his business practices reflect the the ethics most commonly found in North American sellers.
When buying anything from anybody it is "Buyer Beware". Has been for a long time and likely will be for a long time.
Sportcolbs is simply "average".
roland

Roland,
I am not involved in any of this directly. As an impartial observer to the exchange going on here, I would like to convey very generally what my observation has been thus far, with more attention given to what you recently posted as quoted above.

First, I believe Karda is merely giving folks a "heads up" with regard to sportcolbs--nothing more, nothing less. Like a subordinate whose boss thinks he is a lazy slouch, when the subordinate is transferred to another department, his new boss should judge the subordinate based upon his own observations, not those of the subordinate's former boss. Sure, he can take the former boss's opinions into account and give them whatever weight he chooses, but really shouldn't the new boss should withhold judgement and make his own determination (in part, based on what he actually experiences himself)? I think that is all Karda is trying to do. He is saying, "Heads up folks. All may not be as it appears with sportcolbs." Indeed, if sportcolbs can't even get a description of a knife correct, especially when he has so much experience with knives, I think it very reasonable to wonder what else might not be correct. Don't you think that is prudent? I think you do, as does Karda.

Second, I am grateful that the OP and Karda have sounded off about sportcolbs. I have not drawn any conclusive information one way or the other about sportcolbs, but I do now have additional information on which to make an informed decision in the future with regard to sportcolbs if I ever need to. Would I ever deal with him based on information in this thread? Maybe, maybe not. If nothing else, I feel I am better prepared to deal with him than some fellow whom I have never heard anything about.

Finally, I want to address that part of your last post that I have quoted above. Do a search in this thread on the word "bad". The word does NOT appear in any post Karda has made. I mention this because I think you are misconstruing his posts somewhat. Again, I think he is merely giving a heads up to folks who might not otherwise have a clue, myself included. You also label sportcolbs as falling into the category of folks whose "business practices reflect the the ethics most commonly found in North American sellers." That is a subjective opinion that your are entitled to certainly, though I prefer to think that most people do not typically leave out information that might be important to a prospective buyer's choice to buy or not buy. Regardless of which opinion is more correct (your's or mine), I think you would agree with me that it is just as much the buyer's responsibility to make an informed decision about a product as it is the seller's responsibility to disclose facts that may be important considerations in the buyer's thought processes. In other words, both parties share responsibility in a purchase, be it for a knife, a car, whatever. If you believe that, then I would ask you to consider whether you think Karda and the OP also think that. IMO, they do. For the most part, we are all on the same page here. And whether the sale of counterfeit knives is beneficial or detrimental to the hobby of collecting, realistically, it is probably both.
 
Don't know how it didn't copy the link. Sportcolbs' Cattaraugus

Go look at photo 2. Obvious differences in finish on the master blade, obvious signs of pitting/buffing on the secondary, sold as "near mint".

Not that I am an expert by any stretch, but I would personally agree with your assessment. Additionally, IMO, I do not care for the fact that there is an apparent price of $795 on the main blade, no doubt intentionally put there or left there to subtly suggest a value of the knife, though I cannot fathom who would pay that much for that knife. Interesting to say the least.
 
There was this guy who, caught at disingenuous behavior (unrelated to knives), told me he was "only a little crook." You know, only a little less than trustworthy. Like: "Made by the owner of the trademark."

In many contexts of the law, failure to disclose facts necessary to make the disclosed facts communicate accurately is a criminal offense - and ought to be.

So he sells "Red Bone," knows it's not "Red Bone," but goes on with his sale.

Just a little crook.
 
Hi "Edge". My comment about SC not being one of the "bad guys" has nothing to do with Karda or others. It is my own statement based on my experience.
The two most important things to me are my 4 children and my integrity. When i start to sell knives i will give absolute full disclosure to the best of my ability because my integrity is important to me. Nothing to do with how others might perceive me to be.
However i have learned over the years that many others see life differently and choose to conduct themselves differently.
Hence i try to follow "Buyer Beware". This long standing, common, wide-spread admonition exists because it reflects reality, not simply my opinion. If it wasn't so, this expression would long ago have been forgotten.
Same with "A fool and his money are soon parted". Far from ideal, but " 'Tis the way of the world".
roland
 
Additionally, IMO, I do not care for the fact that there is an apparent price of $795 on the main blade, no doubt intentionally put there or left there to subtly suggest a value of the knife, though I cannot fathom who would pay that much for that knife.
He has a 5-blade Imperial Scout up with a tag of $95. Even new in tube, there's no way in hell that knife should bring more than $50, and that on a hot night with 2 hot buyers.
 
They usually look something like this:
http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/s...other-eb*y-phoney-knife?p=7624043#post7624043
I'm not sure what kind of tool steel is normally used and it probably varies, but it is hardened to be able to press the image into the steel before Heat treatment.

ironically had i been logged in when i read those links i would have seen that, since i had already been there. thank you Sir, for showing, and the details.

Codger 64 said:
I don't have a photo available of mine right now, but the stamp portion is rectangular with a smaller rectangular vertical shaft that goes into the socket of the stamping press. I don't know the steel type but it appears to be hardened stainless tool steel. You might imagine how many thousand blades it would be required to stamp before replacement. It is a neat collectable to display with the knives it stamped.

understood. thanks for the explanation. that is quite a nice addition to a collection with a model knife or knives that it was used to stamp. thanks for sharing, Sir.
 
Still waiting for one of you to back up your inuendos by taking a look at the over 200+ knives the seller has on ebay right now and show us the fakes.

waiting..........waiting
If you can do that - I'll be happy to agree with you.

None of your silly - "I know better than you" responses is going to work - so step up and back up your accusations.

waiting
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Have you actually read my original post, and the title, or are you just having problems comprehending this ? NOWHERE, did I claim he was selling fakes... The reason for the post was misleading descriptions, and failure to correct them.

Karda, why do you need to insult me because my opinion differs from yours ? "Since you and rproctor are such experts and don't buy any fake knives".
At no time have i ever considered myself an expert or posted anything to infer such. Further more i have bought numerous fake knives, discovered to be 'fake' by posting them in the BRL forum. They have been an important part of my knife education.
By distorting like this you loose credibility.
My point is the old caveat "Buyer Beware".
This admonition is likely centuries old. It tells us that full disclosure sellers of anything (knives, cars, houses, etc.) are the exception. The 'rule' is for a seller to present the object for sale in a manner that promotes it's sale.
I have bought over 5000 knives on ebay, so have dealt with a great many sellers. I know Sportcolbs is not a full disclosure seller, i.e. not part of the "exception". He is in the majority group to which "Buyer Beware" applies. Based on my considerable ebay experience he is about average in his degree of omitting to say certain aspects and glossing over others.
He absolutely is not one of the "Bad Guys" who regularly fake knives and foist them off as original.
Furthermore, Sportcolbs accepts returns and gives full refunds without hassling the buyer or banning him from future bidding. Numerous other sellers i have bought from refuse to refund and simply say "you bought it; it's yours now".
I did not post here because i like this guy. I posted here because it is an injustice to single this seller out as a 'bad guy' when his business practices reflect the the ethics most commonly found in North American sellers.
When buying anything from anybody it is "Buyer Beware". Has been for a long time and likely will be for a long time.
Sportcolbs is simply "average".
roland


I agree with the "Buyer beware" phrase Roland. Thats what the point was for posting this. It wasn't to form a boycott of his knives, but to maybe keep someone from buying something, that is not what was described.
I also understand that people will describe things, to get the most attention and help the sale. But when you knowingly, incorrectly list an item, that changes everything. As far as not being a "Full disclosure seller" as you call them, IMHO thats just a way to plead ignorance when something goes wrong. However, his business plan if we can call it that, obviusly works...

Not that I am an expert by any stretch, but I would personally agree with your assessment. Additionally, IMO, I do not care for the fact that there is an apparent price of $795 on the main blade, no doubt intentionally put there or left there to subtly suggest a value of the knife, though I cannot fathom who would pay that much for that knife. Interesting to say the least.

If it wasn't on there for that reason, I would think he would have removed it prior to taking the pictures. While I'm sure the intent is to subliminally mislead, obviously I can't prove that.

He has a 5-blade Imperial Scout up with a tag of $95. Even new in tube, there's no way in hell that knife should bring more than $50, and that on a hot night with 2 hot buyers.

In all fairness, I've seen a lot of sellers put prices on knives, that are so far from the norm, its rediculous... Just the other day I noticed a new Case knife that had a buy it now price of $135.00... There are quite a few of the exact same knives, that have buy it nows of around $45.00.

It only takes one sucker to see it, decide they have to have it, and hit the button. There are people like that, and if it happens, the seller just made a huge profit.
 
A well known reworker is 1959brett buys cheap broken traditionals and after short time sells them in perfect condition. Be ware.
Mike
 
A well known reworker is 1959brett buys cheap broken traditionals and after short time sells them in perfect condition. Be ware.
Mike

I appreciate the headsup Mike. I'd like to keep this thread focused on one seller though... If you have had bad dealings with the person you mentioned, you may want to start a thread, to give more specifics.
 
Holy cow!!! We hit the jackpot. An international conspiracy to sell knives with fake price stickers. I'll bet they make those stickers in China and import them into the US through a criminal network that involves a team of ex Parker folks to fool buyers into paying more for used knives on Ebay. We had better keep our eyes on this network. The ebay seller is exagerating their opinion of the condition of a knife (with clear pics). We are really on to something now. This could go all the way up to members of congress. This is getting too funny.
Still waiting for the fakes to be pointed out. Then we could expand the investigation. :D
 
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Gaston you have two choices,
Post your own evidence to the contrary.
Shut up.
Trolling this thread is not an option.
fair warning.
 
Holy cow!!! We hit the jackpot. An international conspiracy to sell knives with fake price stickers. I'll bet they make those stickers in China and import them into the US through a criminal network that involves a team of ex Parker folks to fool buyers into paying more for used knives on Ebay. We had better keep our eyes on this network. The ebay seller is exagerating their opinion of the condition of a knife (with clear pics). We are really on to something now. This could go all the way up to members of congress. This is getting too funny.
Still waiting for the fakes to be pointed out. Then we could expand the investigation. :D

I guess you aren't going to answer my question to you in post #73 ? If you don't have anything worthwhile to add to this thread, then find something else to do.
Perhaps you would like to explain your relation to this seller ? OR maybe you should open a thread of your own about your "conspiracy theories", and people that are in denial. You should have plenty of great information to add :confused:

Edited to add... Thanks Karda. I didn't see your post, before I posted.
 
I think you are onto something...

Karda, I was not trolling. I do not need to have proof, as I just asked for several of you to offer some before you started trashing another man and generating conspiracy theories. Am I not allowed to disagree with opinions? cause that's all you got by your own statements.
Now yes, my last post was a little sarcastic (others seem to do that here all the time) - and if I offended anyone - I am sorry - that was not my end objective

No need to threaten me with something for speaking my mind - which is specific to this post.......I do not intend to post on this thread again
And no I have no relation to the seller - don't know them.
 
Karda, I was not trolling. I do not need to have proof, as I just asked for several of you to offer some before you started trashing another man and generating conspiracy theories. Am I not allowed to disagree with opinions? cause that's all you got by your own statements.
Now yes, my last post was a little sarcastic (others seem to do that here all the time) - and if I offended anyone - I am sorry - that was not my end objective

No need to threaten me with something for speaking my mind - which is specific to this post.......I do not intend to post on this thread again
And no I have no relation to the seller - don't know them.


You are allowed to disgree, no prob.
But not just for the sake of disagreement.
Your post before this was just a troll post.
If you want to disagree, you must do better than that, as in show us something that supports your opinion.

The sellers both sell cleaned, buffed reworked or otherwise monkeyed with knives, along with new looking old knives.
As you know, the well is always deeper than one thinks it is. Who knows what other monkeyshines is going on with some of those knives/sales.
 
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