Ed Fowler

From my local blacksmith guild. I was so oblivious of the ABS at the time that I had no idea who Bill Moran was, or that he lived 45 minutes from where I was taking the class....

Not to say that ABS 'smiths have not been a huge help to me in the years since, but I found the 'smiths first and THEN the ABS...

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I learned that people were still actually forging knives from seeing Randalls in the 70's. I learned about damascus from reading about folks Bill Moran and Bill Bagwell in magazines like Soldier Of Fortune in the late 70's. However, i didn't get hooked on forged blades and had no interst in ever making them until I went to one of the monster Guild shows in Orlando in the early 90's and met guys like Al Pendray, Charlie Ochs, Rob Hudson, Jay Hendrickson and Joe Flournoy. My first custom blade, as opposed to a "benchmade" like a Randall, was a Flournoy fighter which I still have. I visited Charlie Och's shop after than, but didn't get started until spring of 2005. I first started trying to forge in my garage after reading stuff on the forums from the ABS guys and books by folks like Wayne Goddard and Bill Moran. My first actual exposure to any of them in person post Guild Show was at Blade in 2005, where I spent WAY too much money, and at the Old Washington fall hammer-in in 2005, where I got to meet Bill Moran and show him a couple of my horrid attempts.:D The rest, as they say, is history.
 
I was captured as a babe by a band of freethinker anarchist dwarf metalworkers and raised underground in a cave smithy.
When they sent me out into the sunlit world above to seek my fortune, I was warned I would always be dissatisfied with the machinations of Man.
So far, it seems they were correct.
:)

That, my friend, is awesome!:)
 
Okay. I play the role of Captain Obvious once again. Some people obviously have issues with the ABS. This is the case with ALL organizations. How do you think we ended up with so many Christian denominations in the US?:D However, some folks seem to be saying that the ABS in its current from may actually be a detriment to the art of knifemaking. I have but one simple question for all of you metal pounders reading this thread. How did you come to be interested in the forged blade and where did you learn your craft? I anxiously await your answers.

Joe, I learned the basics of knifemaking and heat treating from my father. I got the forging bug from my blacksmith friends at the Metal Museum in Memphis. I learned pattern welding by myself with a bit of help from my blacksmith friends. Before long I was teaching them fancy damascus :D

I first joined the ABS to support the org but the big reason was because I wanted to get a table in the ABS section at the Blade Show:D

It would be interesting to list the ABS members who make knives that don't fit the ''ABS box''. Bet it would surprise a few of you (the list would be quite large).
 
Joe, I learned the basics of knifemaking and heat treating from my father. I got the forging bug from my blacksmith friends at the Metal Museum in Memphis. I learned pattern welding by myself with a bit of help from my blacksmith friends. Before long I was teaching them fancy damascus :D

I first joined the ABS to support the org but the big reason was because I wanted to get a table in the ABS section at the Blade Show:D

It would be interesting to list the ABS members who make knives that don't fit the ''ABS box''. Bet it would surprise a few of you (the list would be quite large).
What is this "ABS box" everyone keeps talking about? Is that code for "makes knives that look kinda like knives made by a certain guy from Arkansas?" :D Don, one could argue that you are no longer "out of the box" because people like me are riffing off what you do. How does it feel to be part of the Establishment, man!!:p;)
 
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I was captured as a babe by a band of freethinker anarchist dwarf metalworkers and raised underground in a cave smithy.
When they sent me out into the sunlit world above to seek my fortune, I was warned I would always be dissatisfied with the machinations of Man.
So far, it seems they were correct.
:)

With me it was elves, worked gold and silver, then steel. They threw me out when my hair started to darken. I was warned about the machinations of man as well. Hey Fitzo how were the iron boots?
 
You FUNNY, Joe, to quote a certain movie. Good point. I actually started out stock removal some 25 odd years ago, then I started seeing these knives made by BIll Moran in Knives Annual and then seeing more and more forged knives. Something about the way they looked and of course the mental image of the old blacksmith got me going. So finally I got a forge and anvil and attended the Intro class with Jim Crowell and Bert Gaston. That is where the "Two Tall" came in. Since then it has been learning as much as possible and trying to make my knives better. The majority of my knives do fall into the standard "so called" ABS patterns. Why? because I like the way they look. I do some that are not standard just because I want to. As someone who has already posted in this thread told me at my first Blade show, make what the judges would like to see and then when you get your stamp you can make what ever you want. I have never forgotten that, thank you Dan.
Being a member of the ABS and thinking outside the box are not like oil and water in my opinion. I am not constrained to make a certain type or style of knife, quite the opposite in fact with people telling me to go forth and experiment, ABS people in fact. Yes I do now have my MS. One of the most stressful times I have experienced. So what am I going to do? Have fun, make what intrigues me and what pays the bills, and pass on what I have learned. I have had nothing but good experiences in the ABS. Dang! that was long winded for me, I think my fingers hurt. So there you are Joe, my story such as it is.
 
Hmmm.... I don't know any numbers, but I bet those two makers are doing at least as well financially as most MS makers....

was not about the living they are making tho nim sure its a good one
it was more about not making "ABS" style knives
 
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And what I meant was that it is interesting (to me at least) that two of the makers that are not making ABS-style knives may well be doing as good or better financially than those making the "traditional" hunters, fighters, and bowies.

Not surprising that the market for kitchen knives is much larger than the "traditional" knives.
 
Hey Fitzo how were the iron boots?

Depending on the peril, they can come in pretty handy. Or, perhaps I should say "footy", to be precise.
Clans were named by the mark on their boots. Ours was "Red Wings", known for their comfort and long wear under tough conditions.
 
And what I meant was that it is interesting (to me at least) that two of the makers that are not making ABS-style knives may well be doing as good or better financially than those making the "traditional" hunters, fighters, and bowies.

Not surprising that the market for kitchen knives is much larger than the "traditional" knives.
Want to know the REAL funny part? Both of them are ABS Master Smiths.:D And in that CBS piece, they went out of the way to point out that Mr. Kramer held that title.;)
 
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You FUNNY, Joe, to quote a certain movie. Good point. I actually started out stock removal some 25 odd years ago, then I started seeing these knives made by BIll Moran in Knives Annual and then seeing more and more forged knives. Something about the way they looked and of course the mental image of the old blacksmith got me going. So finally I got a forge and anvil and attended the Intro class with Jim Crowell and Bert Gaston. That is where the "Two Tall" came in. Since then it has been learning as much as possible and trying to make my knives better. The majority of my knives do fall into the standard "so called" ABS patterns. Why? because I like the way they look. I do some that are not standard just because I want to. As someone who has already posted in this thread told me at my first Blade show, make what the judges would like to see and then when you get your stamp you can make what ever you want. I have never forgotten that, thank you Dan.
Being a member of the ABS and thinking outside the box are not like oil and water in my opinion. I am not constrained to make a certain type or style of knife, quite the opposite in fact with people telling me to go forth and experiment, ABS people in fact. Yes I do now have my MS. One of the most stressful times I have experienced. So what am I going to do? Have fun, make what intrigues me and what pays the bills, and pass on what I have learned. I have had nothing but good experiences in the ABS. Dang! that was long winded for me, I think my fingers hurt. So there you are Joe, my story such as it is.
Funny you should mention the Knives annual. That is what got me interested in customs knives in general and when I read that the Guild Show was in Orlando, I just had to go. Forged blades are not the only thing that got my attention. In the first Knives that I bought, which was the 2001 book which had a picture of a big Jim Crowell bowie on the front cover (I bought a used copy of it recently) had an article about D.E. Henry knives and I really liked those. The other stock removal maker whose work I have always a liked was Ron Gaston. It goes without saying that I found Loveless style knives, especially the fighters, to be very attractive. The guy that got me the most excited about the idea of forging at that Guild show was probably Al Pendray because he was showing some of his wootz blades that year. But the guy whose knives just blew my mind was Rob Hudson. He had one of his multi-bar Viking daggers with the flame etched edge and It just boggled my mind that someone could actually make something like that with a hammer.
 
I was studying "metalsmithing" in college, mostly jewelry and blacksmithing. It wasn't too much of a stretch for me to start making knives on my own... prior to the establishment of the ABS. I didn't hear of the ABS until I had been making knives for several years. I didn't like the idea of the ABS then, and I still don't. I was coming from an academic background. The way arts are taught in colleges and universities is much different. The ABS always smacked of a trade school. Both my parents had masters degrees and always stressed the importance of a good well rounded education. I did go on to get my Bachelor of fine arts degree and my Master of fine arts degree.

I guess the real problem "for me" with the ABS is just that the way it's structured and the way it operates is out of whack with it's primary mission statement... or I just don't get it, and probably never will.

I’ll say one good thing about it though,… It’s very unique! :)
 
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I think the easiest way for the ABS to fix the vast majority of it’s problems would be to fix it’s mission statement.

Current mission statement:
“The American Bladesmith Society, Inc. pledges to diligently, reasonably and responsibly work exclusively for the purposes of promoting and advancing the art and science of the forged blade and other implements. And also to inform and educate the public in respect to bladesmithing, metal forging and heat treating processes, knife and tool design and fabrication, related arts and other areas in which the Society has expertise.”

Proposed mission statement:
“The American Bladesmith Society, Inc., is a vocational school, dedicated to training bladesmiths and potential bladesmiths according to the standards set by the A.B.S., and to promote it’s active knifemaking members in the current custom knife market place.”
 
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I'd go for that one, Tai... definately an easier read and allows room to "breath".
 
Better yet, the ABS could offer a literature class, claim to be green aware and become a university. Then it could be all inclusive and insulated from detractors.

Merry Christmas folks, Craig
 
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