Emerson wave patten?

He hasn't gone after greg from Medford or the guys at lionsteel both of which have "bottle openers" and of course cold steel and their thumb plate..

I too look forward to seeing pocket openers on LOTS more knives.. freaking awesome.
 
shinyedges said:
He hasn't gone after greg from Medford or the guys at lionsteel both of which have "bottle openers" and of course cold steel and their thumb plate..

I too look forward to seeing pocket openers on LOTS more knives.. freaking awesome.
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Well, he can't go after Cold Steel for the thumbplate, as I think that's a Demko patent in and of itself, though he probably could for the Ti-Lite.
 
I do believe Darral(spelling?) Ralph does a double guard that can act as a wave as well, I think CM had one and ground off the guard on the side that didn't wave the knife open.
Insipid Moniker said:
Well, he can't go after Cold Steel for the thumbplate, as I think that's a Demko patent in and of itself, though he probably could for the Ti-Lite.
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shinyedges said:
I do believe Darral(spelling?) Ralph does a double guard that can act as a wave as well, I think CM had one and ground off the guard on the side that didn't wave the knife open.
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Hence the EAT ME.
 
I knew I'd seen you with that bad boy. Eat me is fitting as well.
 
Gideons said:
Trademarks are shorter than pattens, they last 10 years. Pattens generally last around 20 years. But, I am unsure of the exact details about renewal etc. This must have happened for knife companies in the past, so I was wondering what happened between the knife companies?
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Tell that to Sal from SPyderco, the roundhole on every knife is their trademark. Or the talon hole on Busse knives.
 
RevDevil said:
Tell that to Sal from SPyderco, the roundhole on every knife is their trademark. Or the talon hole on Busse knives.
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Or them Golden Arches.

Trademarks do not die unless you stop re-registering them every 10 years. You can't renew a patent.
 
shinyedges said:
I do believe Darral(spelling?) Ralph does a double guard that can act as a wave as well, I think CM had one and ground off the guard on the side that didn't wave the knife open.
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Yeah, the Viper Keeper does the same thing. I don't know if they decided that the guard/quillions was a substantive enough difference, or if they just didn't want to bother going after people for it.

That IS one big difference between a patent and trademark. You can choose whether or not to go after someone for patent infringement and nothing really changes, but you HAVE to defend your trademark or you can lose it. So I'm guessing Emerson will actually get more aggressive, not out of any desire to be litigious, but simply to keep their trademark intact.
 
From the trademark:
The mark consists of the configuration of a portion of the goods, namely, a wave-shaped protrusion on the spine of the blade of a knife, with the crest facing toward the tip of the knife and incorporating rolling ridges on the top and continuing toward the rear of the spine of the blade.
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http://tmsearch.uspto.gov/bin/showfield?f=doc&state=4808:dhz9jh.2.1

So, as long as you don't put "rolling ridges" on the protrusion, you aren't violating the trademark. The Wave Spyderco uses, for instance, doesn't meet the trademark specifications.
 
Trademarks don't cover functional elements. So trademarking a design element tends only to hold up strong in court if the presence of that feature is solely to identify the brand or maker. If it substantively does something it's hard to make a trademark case unless the mark is pretty detailed or specific.
 
jbmonkey said:
Yes im well aware of that. How harsh emerson will enforce legal on similar designs is what will determine this in the end on variations of his design.
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Dunno. What would be ironic, is if Emerson approached the Wave feature the same way the Wright Brothers approached Airplanes, and goes gung ho after it. The Irony comes to play, that thousands and thousands of service men lost their lives through both world wars. WW1 because the US aeronautics industry was ground to a halt due to the Wright Brothers' litigations (and the fact that they did not refine their design, so the Germans easily over took us there) and that the standstill left the US' development in aeronautics retarded well into WW2, thus causing more servicemen's blood to be on their hands.

Being that EE is supposed to be pro US military, it would be hypocritical of him to employ a business model that cost so many service men's lives in the past.
 
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Greed always wins out it seems. Even if he has had sole ability to produce the wave for 20 years he wants to be the only one forever.

Remember he was never in any branch of service but he sure rides the coat tails of those he "knows" who has. Really rather annoying to me. Guys who act like they are delta force but never served squat for time in any branch :rolleyes:
ursamajor said:
Dunno. What would be ironic, is if Emerson approached the Wave feature the same way the Wright Brothers approached Airplanes, and goes gung ho after it. The Irony comes to play, that thousands and thousands of service men lost their lives through both world wars. WW1 because the US aeronautics industry was ground to a halt due to the Wright Brothers' litigations (and the fact that they did not refine their design, so the Germans easily over took us there) and that the standstill left the US' development in aeronautics retarded well into WW2, thus causing more servicemen's blood to be on their hands.

Being that EE is supposed to be pro US military, it would be hypocritical of him to employ a business model that cost so many service men's lives in the past.
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I just searched Casey gray and hell yea! I'm in.:thumbup:
 
ursamajor said:
Dunno. What would be ironic, is if Emerson approached the Wave feature the same way the Wright Brothers approached Airplanes, and goes gung ho after it. The Irony comes to play, that thousands and thousands of service men lost their lives through both world wars. WW1 because the US aeronautics industry was ground to a halt due to the Wright Brothers' litigations (and the fact that they did not refine their design, so the Germans easily over took us there) and that the standstill left the US' development in aeronautics retarded well into WW2, thus causing more servicemen's blood to be on their hands.

Being that EE is supposed to be pro US military, it would be hypocritical of him to employ a business model that cost so many service men's lives in the past.
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interesting piece of history. thanks for the lesson. emerson's knives while marketed as weapons of mass destruction for knife fighting in the worst places in the world..... aren't exactly needed as long as one has their long gun. let's not jump too far ahead on this by possibly added it might cause the wasted spilling of good american blood due to a wave feature that wasn't allowed on a cheap bag opening px knife......

i see your point though.
 
If only Chris Reeve and Michael Walker followed suit with creating and enforcing patents; everyone would be paying royalties for using frame and liner locks... :foot::rolleyes::grumpy:

I'd say those two "features" have had far more impact (and use) in the production & custom knife industry than the wave. :cool:
 
jbmonkey said:
interesting piece of history. thanks for the lesson. emerson's knives while marketed as weapons of mass destruction for knife fighting in the worst places in the world..... aren't exactly needed as long as one has their long gun. let's not jump too far ahead on this by possibly added it might cause the wasted spilling of good american blood due to a wave feature that wasn't allowed on a cheap bag opening px knife......

i see your point though.
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One common point, it is bad for the industry as a whole. If he enforced his specific version, that is one thing. If he went after every knife that could be waved from the pocket-that is what I am talking about.
 
Agreed
Czechmate said:
If only Chris Reeve and Michael Walker followed suit with creating and enforcing patents; everyone would be paying royalties for using frame and liner locks... :foot::rolleyes::grumpy:

I'd say those two "features" have had far more impact (and use) in the production & custom knife industry than the wave. :cool:
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Yea I've heard of him, was a "contractor" who was like special ops :rolleyes: Then got called out that he didn't do squat he claimed he did.

Yea he is another wannabe.
Charlie Mike said:
James Yeager is another good poser ;)
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