Emerson wave patten?

[RX-79G]

I think you should stop nit picking. I think you know that the "driving the tank" is not what he is referring to. Also, "bad ass operators" are trained effectively in CQC fighting methods including knives etc, derived from the many different fighting styles that are not theoretic, but proven. Theories are theories, they require to be tested as most theories aren't practical. Also... how can you have proper theories/ideas without having any experience in the area you're telling people what to do? But, if I am honest... most of these "bad ass operators" aren't training people how to fight with knives.

Also, lets try to keep it civil lads. I was asking about the pattens etc, I didn't want it to become this thread where people are throwing shade about all different aspects of Emerson (for or against) and has become way off topic.

If you want a call for civility, how about not labeling my post "nit picking" just because you disagree with it?

Overall, in many human endeavors, the people that bring the biggest changes in how something is done are often NOT the doers, but the folks pushing the edge in the lab, dojo, race track, etc. Those people aren't working in a vacuum - they are generally working in close contact with the people in the field and basing their theories on previous technique and evidence.

In contrast, so many martial doctrines have come from and been reinforced by those in the field. "Ammo conservation", a favorite US military doctrine has led to 200 years of foolish weapon design that were disproved both by studies and then actual field experience when the M-16 was forced on the army.

I would suggest looking for actual results rather than getting hung up on what someone theoretically did when they were in military service. I used to know a fair number of SEALs. One of them didn't shoot all that well - it turns out he mostly drove a submarine.

 

[JDX]

Are you just wondering though?

 

[Gideons]

If you want a call for civility, how about not labeling my post "nit picking" just because you disagree with it?

Overall, in many human endeavors, the people that bring the biggest changes in how something is done are often NOT the doers, but the folks pushing the edge in the lab, dojo, race track, etc. Those people aren't working in a vacuum - they are generally working in close contact with the people in the field and basing their theories on previous technique and evidence.

In contrast, so many martial doctrines have come from and been reinforced by those in the field. "Ammo conservation", a favorite US military doctrine has led to 200 years of foolish weapon design that were disproved both by studies and then actual field experience when the M-16 was forced on the army.

I would suggest looking for actual results rather than getting hung up on what someone theoretically did when they were in military service. I used to know a fair number of SEALs. One of them didn't shoot all that well - it turns out he mostly drove a submarine.

A seal driving a sumbarine??? Never EVER heard of that... Don't think they do that either lol.

 

[RX-79G]

A seal driving a sumbarine??? Never EVER heard of that... Don't think they do that either lol.

I think they do lol:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SEAL_Delivery_Vehicle

 

[Halfneck]

Mr. Emerson makes a good knife. I carried 2 versions of the CQC-7 during my time in the Army and it did all I asked of it. He's also an accomplished martial artist. He was also asked by members of the Specwar community to makes knives based on their input and feedback. All that's pretty much common knowledge.

That's all off topic from the original question though. Of course the original question comes off sounding like "When does the patent run out so I can then have anyone make a knife with a wave on it without infringment issues...'

 

[RX-79G]

I think it is okay for it to sound like that. We're happy to get generic drug prices, nothing wrong with generic knife features.

 

[Gideons]

I think they do lol:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SEAL_Delivery_Vehicle

First of all, that isn't a submarine. Second, the people that "control" those are operators themselves. So... No. Seals don't drive submarines, and unless you're talking about the logistical staff for Seals... They are assaulters meaning they would have good shots. Either way... You're wrong with your navy seal story. I wish for this thread to stay on topic, so please keep comments to only about wave feature patten, and possibility of other companies using variants of the wave feature and the legal implications that would cause. Thank you.

 

[Gideons]

Mr. Emerson makes a good knife. I carried 2 versions of the CQC-7 during my time in the Army and it did all I asked of it. He's also an accomplished martial artist. He was also asked by members of the Specwar community to makes knives based on their input and feedback. All that's pretty much common knowledge.

That's all off topic from the original question though. Of course the original question comes off sounding like "When does the patent run out so I can then have anyone make a knife with a wave on it without infringment issues...'

That is correct as I was wondering to see, when more knife companies would have the wave feature, or something similar on their knives.

 

[Murdamook]

There is so much stupidity in this thread. First, combat experience doesn't mean you have the ability to impart learned wisdom on students. Alternatively, a person who was trained by a person with combat experience may be more effective at imparting wisdom. There was a period of time when the US was at peace. Are you telling me that Sniper instructors with no deployments were just generally disregarded since "they have no combat experience"? Emerson is taking training he has learned from people with combat experience, and informing other people with it. It's literally no different than an instructor in the military during peacetime.

Secondly: Shinyedges, you're just a massive complainer. I don't think I have read a post by you that wasn't off-putting because it was just incessant crying or complaining. You just thrive on borderline autistic drama.

Third: Gideons, you want to talk about nitpicking then you pedantically attack the submarine-SEAL comment? That's the damn definition of nitpicking. That part of his statement had literally nothing to do with his point. It's literally the most pedantic B.S. I have ever read on any forum.

 

[shinyedges]

Have a complaint about me? Start a thread in whine and cheese or report it. Your opinions are not any more important than anyone else.

I do hope you start a thread in w&c.

There is so much stupidity in this thread. First, combat experience doesn't mean you have the ability to impart learned wisdom on students. Alternatively, a person who was trained by a person with combat experience may be more effective at imparting wisdom. There was a period of time when the US was at peace. Are you telling me that Sniper instructors with no deployments were just generally disregarded since "they have no combat experience"? Emerson is taking training he has learned from people with combat experience, and informing other people with it. It's literally no different than an instructor in the military during peacetime.

Secondly: Shinyedges, you're just a massive complainer. I don't think I have read a post by you that wasn't off-putting because it was just incessant crying or complaining. You just thrive on borderline autistic drama.

Third: Gideons, you want to talk about nitpicking then you pedantically attack the submarine-SEAL comment? That's the damn definition of nitpicking. That part of his statement had literally nothing to do with his point. It's literally the most pedantic B.S. I have ever read on any forum.

 

[Czechmate]

Of the Emersons I've owned the CQC7V & old school A100 were my favorites; the wave on the CQC was slick. :thumbup:

The wave on the A100 was no good though...


:foot:

 

[Insipid Moniker]

That's all off topic from the original question though. Of course the original question comes off sounding like "When does the patent run out so I can then have anyone make a knife with a wave on it without infringment issues...'

Heck yeah, that's what I want. The wave is a great and fun innovation and Mr. Emerson should absolutely have exclusive rights to make money off that innovation for a number of years. But after that's up all the kids get to play with those toys. Personally, I love the wave, but I don't care for Emerson knives, so I'm very much looking forward to what gets done with it once the patent expires. And the patent on the Axis lock expires a bit after that, so bring on the waved, axis lock folders!

 

[symphonyincminor]

Raise your hand if you've patented a design and had a trademark issued for it to protect its inherent intellectual property?

Raise another hand if you wouldn't mind someone else literally stealing your idea for profit.

Yeah - not a lot of hands......

 

[symphonyincminor]

And for the record, in the very limited scope of my mind, this:

Is not this:

Even though RYP claimed it was a 'automatic pocket opener' or some nonsense (I'm sure someone can dig up the exact quote). Doesn't look like it violates the patent. Just like with manual opening mechanisms.... other than the trademarked Spyderhole, anything else goes, as no one claims patents on other mechanisms, to my knowledge.

 

[Insipid Moniker]

Raise your hand if you've patented a design and had a trademark issued for it to protect its inherent intellectual property?

Raise another hand if you wouldn't mind someone else literally stealing your idea for profit.

Yeah - not a lot of hands......

You do realize there's a profound difference between trademarks and patents and what they're supposed to do, right? Other people using a patented device after it has expired is literally the way the system is designed to work. You have 20 years to make your money from it, then it's fair game. Welcome to the US.

Oh, and if you trademark something hoping to protect the utility of it? Yeah, you're the one abusing the system, no way around it. That explicitly not what trademarks are for.

 

[Charlie Mike]

For the love of Christ, start carrying a fixed blade. Once I did, I found no desire for waved folders.

Coming from me, this should speak VOLUMES.

 

[shinyedges]

+1

What if every person who invented a product had sole access FOREVER to produce it? Wow that would seriously suck.

All in favor of a world where a person has a monopoly on their idea for eternity... Not so many hands huh?

Think prescriptions, televisions, A/C , and many other products that are affordable for everyone because they are able to be produced by more than one manufacturer.

You do realize there's a profound difference between trademarks and patents and what they're supposed to do, right? Other people using a patented device after it has expired is literally the way the system is designed to work. You have 20 years to make your money from it, then it's fair game. Welcome to the US.

Oh, and if you trademark something hoping to protect the utility of it? Yeah, you're the one abusing the system, no way around it. That explicitly not what trademarks are for.

 

[shinyedges]

Another +1 but keep in mind CM not everyone lives in a place friendly to fixed blades.

For the love of Christ, start carrying a fixed blade. Once I did, I found no desire for waved folders.

Coming from me, this should speak VOLUMES.

 

[Charlie Mike]

Another +1 but keep in mind CM not everyone lives in a place friendly to fixed blades.

I'm in one of those places. Open carry only here. I just don't care what other people think. At one time, I EDC'd a ZT bayonet on a drop leg rig.

 

[shinyedges]

Believe me I feel you, I too carry a fixed blade and could care less of how people feel about it.

I would imagine there are places that don't allow open carry or concealed carry of fixed blades though.. But hell idk.

I'm in one of those places. Open carry only here. I just don't care what other people think. At one time, I EDC'd a ZT bayonet on a drop leg rig.