Emerson wave patten?

Pretty sure if I earned a patent I'd want to keep my name on it.

As for Emerson; comparing him to the current fake tactical trainers is a mistake. He's a guy who started out mopping out the washroom and went on to make knives.

[video=youtube;6jq8SqLfhm4]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6jq8SqLfhm4[/video]
 
eon blue apocalypse said:
OK question: I swear some of those BM griptillians have round holes...how is that possible when Spyderco has the trademark?
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Definitely a round hole; it functions really well too... ;):thumbup:

Not sure if they got permission from Spyderco or not LOL.
 
ursamajor said:
One common point, it is bad for the industry as a whole. If he enforced his specific version, that is one thing. If he went after every knife that could be waved from the pocket-that is what I am talking about.
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agree completely. we shall find out. only Mr. Emerson knows what he is going to do or not do.
 
You think it's a mistake I don't. Dude has never served overseas but consistently quotes those who have to sound like he knows what he is talking about.

He's one of those guys who "knows somebody" who did it. But he himself is living vicariously through others.

I often wonder about how some of these YouTube experts think they are able to teach others knife fighting but have zero experience with knife fighting lol

Professors in college usually have experience in their field they teach but does Ernest Emerson? Am I missing something..was he a s.w.a.t officer? A service member who deployed with any branch? Where exactly did he use the skills he teaches? Or did he talk to people who did these things and became an expert through words?


Those of us who got a deployment under are belts may not be Rambo but at least we aren't pretending to be something we are not by living vicariously through others.

In the end without doing anything tactical in his entire life I'm hard pressed to believe the image of Emerson a tactical expert. Believe what you will.
Danke42 said:
Pretty sure if I earned a patent I'd want to keep my name on it.

As for Emerson; comparing him to the current fake tactical trainers is a mistake. He's a guy who started out mopping out the washroom and went on to make knives.

[video=youtube;6jq8SqLfhm4]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6jq8SqLfhm4[/video]
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Ernest Emerson said:
To Spey and other Members,

First let me state that I enjoy and understand your curiosity and enthusiasm concerning the whys and wherefores of Emerson Knives.

First I will address the right or “wrong” side chisel grind. JBravo and Nicklovesknives are both correct. Phil Hartsfield was my friend and I always respected him. The individuals I was working with in the development of the CQC-6 found that it did not matter which side the bevel was on. That’s the long and the short of it.

I would also like to address some other points you’ve made.

Concerning the secondary detent: It is a patented feature allowing adjustment of the detent to be separate from the adjustment of the lock. Very simple, not a “bandaid for some deeper rooted issue.”

As to the issue of the benefits of the chisel grind I’m not even going to get into that. Suffice it to say that after 30 years of leadership in both the custom and production cutlery industry and having produced 10’s of thousands of chisel ground knives for every demographic on the planet, from hard use to $20,000 collectors pieces, the evidence and reputation of the chisel grind are very easy to be had. We have been performance tested by a number of military and government agencies including White Sands for use in Space. Our testimonials fill half a dozen 3 inch thick 3-ring binders.

As to your statement regarding the geometry of the Tanto or Chisel grind in regard to a weapon, one of the reasons the chisel grind was chosen was because of its ease in penetrating soft body armor with very little force. It has to do with a concurrent cutting and shearing action among other things. This being another result of the rigorous testing that was done on the original CQC-6 blade design.

As to your statement regarding the modulus of rupture, wedging and directional forces of resistance, first I ask what is your profession and then I would ask how many times have you actually stabbed a knife into a man or beast? To be concerned about such salient points reminds me of the old “serrations get hung up on clothing or bone” argument that circulated for years before I debunked it publicly time and time again years ago.

As a shooter I’ve also seen such arguments concerning calibers, powder load, ballistics, bullet grain, endless gelatin tests and arguments for or against gun brands ad infinitum. I was taught how to shoot and shoot accurately, under stress with any weapon, pistol, long gun or sub gun that I could pick up regardless if it was a Ruger Mark II or a Barret M50 sniper rifle. One of my SAS friends once told me “Ernest if I didn’t have a rock I would have killed him with a sharp stick.”

There’s an old joke from sniper schools, “The shooters hit the target. Everyone else argues about ballistics.”

My point here is, with all due respect that as Bruce Lee said “It’s like a finger pointing to the moon. Don’t concentrate on the finger or you will miss all of that heavenly glory.”

The point I’m also making here is that if you find so many things that seem inherently wrong or that need improvement in Emerson Knives then maybe we’re not your cup of tea. I don’t know if you’re new to the brand or knives in general but all of this has been discussed in great detail over the years by many knowledgeable knife aficionados and the knives have been real world tested by (now) generations of knife users to their satisfaction. Personally I have cut everything that can be cut by a knife and I have never had a problem using a chisel grind knife right or “wrong side” since their inception over 30 years ago.

Of course all of this is my not so humble opinion.

If you like them then just use them, that’s what an Emerson Knife begs to do.

My Best Regards,

Ernest Emerson


P.S. Using terms like "fanboy" and "koolaid" are demeaning and pretentious at best. By your use of the descriptor, I am a "fanboy" of a variety of items that I believe are the best for my use and it is this type of passion that has always driven my achievements and success in a number of endeavors. In legal arguments its referred to as muddying the water to validate an argumentative stance by labeling others as beneath your perspective. This forum has evolved past those terms by members of the community who frequent this area.
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Read some of the things he wrote, an old joke from "sniper school" did he attend sniper school and become a h.o.g? Don't think so.


Also he has used his "friends" as a card he waves around. Like yea look at me I know so and so.. Again not something actual military guys respect.

In the army we don't talk about things we didn't do because it is wack. I wasn't a sniper so I don't talk about sniper school; pretty simple. It comes off as wannabe commando.
 
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Ernest Emerson is a fantastic knife designer and his knife formula is perfect, imo. That's all I care about.
And, he seems like a nice dude.
rolf
 
Lycosa said:
Ernest Emerson is a fantastic knife designer and his knife formula is perfect, imo. That's all I care about.
And, he seems like a nice dude.
rolf
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yep, i see no reason to turn this into a, i highly dislike Mr. Emerson thread. he knows how to build knives and has been doing it a long time. as for his other credentials, i don't know and don't care. he is an asset to this community much like the other knife makers who are willing to participate when they have time. how is that ever a bad thing? i like Emerson knives and i like Mr. Emerson. too each their own though.
 
I'm not sure I understand how serving in the military would have anything to do with designing and building knives?
I like EE, he has never claimed to be any part of any branch, he only states he is a fighter, which he is.
He designs and builds excellent knives and that's all I care about.
As per OP, if you absolutely want a benchmade with a wave, use a dremel or needle files. As long as your not profiting from it, you're fine.
 
This thread has gone from pointless, to obscure and now to bashing....way to go gang.........enough!
 
I don't buy into the cult of designer/military/leo thing. The actual connection between how things get designed and how they end up in military use is rarely the way we think it is. The Phrobis/Buckmaster/M9 bayonet story is illustrative.

That said, Emerson is one of the very few knife people who has any sort of direct, legitimate connections to military units. Maybe Randall, Fairborne and a few others can make similar claims.

It's just that having SEALs like your stuff doesn't mean it is the perfect knife for everyone and every use. Especially when Specwar types change equipment and experiment so much. Are Emerson knives still favored?

Next year any company that wants to make a knife with a pocket opening hook can. And some SEALs might get some of those knives, too.
 
My beef is with "instructors" who have zero combat experience.
 
RX-79G said:
I think you'd have a hard time finding anyone with pocketknife combat experience.
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I don't think he meant using a folder in a combat experience, but a person who has combat experience. Also, specialized units do train both with fixed blade, and folders for CQC training.
 
RX-79G said:
I think you'd have a hard time finding anyone with pocketknife combat experience.
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Not really. I used to sell meth. I associated with a lot of felons and those who associated with people who rode motorcycles. It was harder to find someone who hadn't. I learned as much as I could from those people.
 
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Gideons said:
I don't think he meant using a folder in a combat experience, but a person who has combat experience. Also, specialized units do train both with fixed blade, and folders for CQC training.
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Okay. If Emerson used to drive a tank, would that make him a better knife instructor?

I just don't think that the best sword or other combat instructors who ever lived were necessarily in a war. And just because you were taught knife fighting by someone else while in the military, doesn't mean that you are now a better, more thoughtful knife fighter and instructor.

It's all nice resume material, but even the baddest ass 'operators' are just going to look at you funny if you ask them about their knife skills. They aren't ninjas, even if they've actually killed a sentry with a knife.


In WWII, SOE operative Nancy Wake killed a German guard with a single judo chop. Should she therefore be the creator of a fighting system?

Somebody has to have the time and freedom to develop martial methods beyond the battlefield. There is nothing wrong with being a gifted theorist.
 
RX-79G said:
Okay. If Emerson used to drive a tank, would that make him a better knife instructor?

I just don't think that the best sword or other combat instructors who ever lived were necessarily in a war. And just because you were taught knife fighting by someone else while in the military, doesn't mean that you are now a better, more thoughtful knife fighter and instructor.

It's all nice resume material, but even the baddest ass 'operators' are just going to look at you funny if you ask them about their knife skills. They aren't ninjas, even if they've actually killed a sentry with a knife.


In WWII, SOE operative Nancy Wake killed a German guard with a single judo chop. Should she therefore be the creator of a fighting system?

Somebody has to have the time and freedom to develop martial methods beyond the battlefield. There is nothing wrong with being a gifted theorist.
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I think you should stop nit picking. I think you know that the "driving the tank" is not what he is referring to. Also, "bad ass operators" are trained effectively in CQC fighting methods including knives etc, derived from the many different fighting styles that are not theoretic, but proven. Theories are theories, they require to be tested as most theories aren't practical. Also... how can you have proper theories/ideas without having any experience in the area you're telling people what to do? But, if I am honest... most of these "bad ass operators" aren't training people how to fight with knives.

Also, lets try to keep it civil lads. I was asking about the pattens etc, I didn't want it to become this thread where people are throwing shade about all different aspects of Emerson (for or against) and has become way off topic.
 
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