Emerson wave patten?

[Gideons]

100 replies to this thread ^.^ Happy St. Patricks day guys. Also, I read a comment above that the SAS use CQC-8's? Is there any proof of that, or what units use Emerson knives?

 

[RX-79G]

100 replies to this thread ^.^ Happy St. Patricks day guys. Also, I read a comment above that the SAS use CQC-8's? Is there any proof of that, or what units use Emerson knives?

I imagine there is less proof that the SAS use CQC-8s than there is proof that a DSV is a submarine (since it is a powered vessel that operates underwater) and are piloted by specially trained SEALs who stay with the sub after the assaulters have left.

 

[AusLoX]

100 replies to this thread ^.^ Happy St. Patricks day guys. Also, I read a comment above that the SAS use CQC-8's? Is there any proof of that, or what units use Emerson knives?

Not sure what kind of proof you're looking for but go to emersons website and look at the CQC8..read the description of the knife. I seriously doubt he'd make a false claim and stick it on his website.

 

[symphonyincminor]

I'm guessing you take all the pocket clips off your non-Spyderco knives as well. Must make the wave harder to use, though.

I wasn't aware of any valid patents or current trademarks on generalized pocket clips on folding knife.

I'm glad the knife industry got behind the idea that Sal & Company popularized, though. :thumbup:

 

[shinyedges]

You doubt a companies marketing is less than a 100% factual? You sir are a great customer.

And did I miss it or did you address that using the Walker liner lock with out royalties was Ok because they call it a Walker liner lock?

Also did you ever address the huge undeniable benefits to society that occurs from expired patents and the manufacturing of a product by more than one source?

Or you don't care and sole ownership should lie with the original patent holder for eternity? If so I hope you are willing to give up many of the items in your home... Otherwise well that's kind of hypocritical don't you think?

Not sure what kind of proof you're looking for but go to emersons website and look at the CQC8..read the description of the knife. I seriously doubt he'd make a false claim and stick it on his website.

 

[AusLoX]

You doubt a companies marketing is less than a 100% factual? You sir are a great customer.

And did I miss it or did you address that using the Walker liner lock with out royalties was Ok because they call it a Walker liner lock?

Also did you ever address the huge undeniable benefits to society that occurs from expired patents and the manufacturing of a product by more than one source?

Or you don't care and sole ownership should lie with the original patent holder for eternity? If so I hope you are willing to give up many of the items in your home... Otherwise well that's kind of hypocritical don't you think?

I doubt Emerson would lie about a claim like that and I have a better chance of being correct in this case than you do. And the rest of your comment...I didn't say anything about a liner lock. Mr. Patent attorney who apparently owns a business and seems to know everything. Cool off keyboard warrior.

 

[Insipid Moniker]

I wasn't aware of any valid patents or current trademarks on generalized pocket clips on folding knife.

I'm glad the knife industry got behind the idea that Sal & Company popularized, though. :thumbup:

And I'll be glad if the knife industry gets behind the idea Mr. Emerson popularized (that's an interesting way of spelling invented, BTW) once the patent expires and they can use it legally and ethically.

 

[shinyedges]

Nice resort to personal insults because you believe manufacturer marketing. For your info this keyboard warrior was in fact a real soldier who deployed under OEF and exited the United States Army in 2012 with an honorable discharge and now goes to college on my post 9/11 GI bill.

I doubt Emerson would lie about a claim like that and I have a better chance of being correct in this case than you do. And the rest of your comment...I didn't say anything about a liner lock. Mr. Patent attorney who apparently owns a business and seems to know everything. Cool off keyboard warrior.

 

[shinyedges]

So technically I am a warrior at a keyboard along with Charlie mike and many other real soldiers and marines.

 

[Danke42]

In this thread; we're all keyboard warriors.

 

[STAINLESS90]

You doubt a companies marketing is less than a 100% factual? You sir are a great customer.

It has been stated multiple times not that the knife was issued but that there have been private purchases of the CQC-8 by members of the SAS just as Navy Seals have purchased CQC-7's and probably a myriad of other models and brands. Benchmade, Spyderco and a lot of other companies can probably make the same claim.

 

[Charlie Mike]

Mad Dog

 

[shinyedges]

Yea no doubt, some dudes just take it way to seriously lol "oh look a SEAL used this toilet paper I must have this tactical toilet paper because the SEALS use it! "

The one calling people keyboard commandos are the ones who buy knives because it was carried by "insert random military team".

S.W.A.T guys have been known to carry an endura maybe sal should market it as the knife of special police teams.

It has been stated multiple times not that the knife was issued but that there have been private purchases of the CQC-8 by members of the SAS just as Navy Seals have purchased CQC-7's and probably a myriad of other models and brands. Benchmade, Spyderco and a lot of other companies can probably make the same claim.

 

[symphonyincminor]

And I'll be glad if the knife industry gets behind the idea Mr. Emerson popularized (that's an interesting way of spelling invented, BTW) once the patent expires and they can use it legally and ethically.

The "feature" is trademarked. Have you not been reading this entire thread over and over? There are plenty of makers that feature pocket-opening mechanism. A few are DPx, Medford, Cold Steel, DDR, and others.

Might as well agree to disagree about a pretty cut-and-dry thing. Something was patented, now it's trademarked, and the owner of the trademark wants to protect his original Intellectual Property.

Get back to me once you have one of your innovations ripped off by others who have a little less integrity than the average profit-seeker.

 

[brownshoe]

Yea no doubt, some dudes just take it way to seriously lol "oh look a SEAL used this toilet paper I must have this tactical toilet paper because the SEALS use it!...

You're the one claiming military service and honorable discharge as evidence of street credibility in post 108. Can't have it both ways

 

[RX-79G]

The "feature" is trademarked. Have you not been reading this entire thread over and over? There are plenty of makers that feature pocket-opening mechanism. A few are DPx, Medford, Cold Steel, DDR, and others.

Might as well agree to disagree about a pretty cut-and-dry thing. Something was patented, now it's trademarked, and the owner of the trademark wants to protect his original Intellectual Property.

Get back to me once you have one of your innovations ripped off by others who have a little less integrity than the average profit-seeker.

I took the time to post the exact verbiage of the trademark earlier. It is not a patent - it just describes the look of a protrusion sticking up out of the blade, not it's function.

The patent on the Wave function is ending, and when it is gone anyone can claim to have a blade opener that hooks on the pocket. The trademark has nothing to do with that. All the trademark says is that no one can have a particular shape sticking out of their knife blade, regardless of what function it has.

In other words, Emerson could sue for trademark infringement if someone put his Wave™ shape on the spine of a fixed blade. But he got 20 years of protection on the function already, and when that is over it is over.

The only difference between Emerson and Walker is that Emerson thought it was worthwhile to pursue a patent for his invention and Walker did not. So Walker's invention went into the public domain immediately and Emerson got to profit from his for 20 years, first.

If anything, we owe a much greater debt to the un-patented inventions that Walker and Sal gifted to the knife community than what Emerson charged everyone for over 20 years. So none of us get what point you are making. It really sounds like you believe the rich must get richer or something.



BTW, I carried an Endura for 9 years in Navy aircraft, so we can call the Endura the official cockpit tool of US Naval Aviators™.

 

[Czechmate]

If anything, we owe a much greater debt to the un-patented inventions that Walker and Sal gifted to the knife community than what Emerson charged everyone for over 20 years.

That's what I was trying to get at earlier; just didn't say it as well LOL.:thumbup:

 

[Danke42]

There are benefits to not patenting a product. If it's a new mousetrap in a sea of others what will convince the world you've got the better one.

If you open source it you can gain legitamcy by acceptance inside your industry. You'll have the namesake recognition and if you've got more ideas up your sleeve you can control those.

 

[symphonyincminor]

If anything, we owe a much greater debt to the un-patented inventions that Walker and Sal gifted to the knife community than what Emerson charged everyone for over 20 years. So none of us get what point you are making. It really sounds like you believe the rich must get richer or something.

Don't tell anyone this, but I own absolutely no Emerson's, or any pocket knives for that matter, with the Wave feature or "remote pocket openers" or whatever someone wants to call it.

All of my knives, including numerous Emerson's, are all manually-opening. My line of work doesn't necessitate me having to open the knife on the draw. I've also found in the past that "waved" folders actually hinder pulling the knife out of the pocket, having it partially-open during the draw unless you are intentionally using the feature. Dangerous. So I got rid of all of them. Just my preference. Emerson will even grind the Wave feature off if you send the knife in, while maintaining the warranty. I live paycheck-to-paycheck, so I haven't gotten around to expanding my collection to other Emerson models, sans the Wave feature.

But that doesn't mean I don't staunchly defend Intellectual Property. It's the American way. :thumbup:

 

[Insipid Moniker]

Don't tell anyone this, but I own absolutely no Emerson's, or any pocket knives for that matter, with the Wave feature or "remote pocket openers" or whatever someone wants to call it.

All of my knives, including numerous Emerson's, are all manually-opening. My line of work doesn't necessitate me having to open the knife on the draw. I've also found in the past that "waved" folders actually hinder pulling the knife out of the pocket, having it partially-open during the draw unless you are intentionally using the feature. Dangerous. So I got rid of all of them. Just my preference. Emerson will even grind the Wave feature off if you send the knife in, while maintaining the warranty. I live paycheck-to-paycheck, so I haven't gotten around to expanding my collection to other Emerson models, sans the Wave feature.

But that doesn't mean I don't staunchly defend Intellectual Property. It's the American way. :thumbup:

Once again, when the patent expires the only intellectual property someone could be infringing on would be the way it looks.