Enlan & Sanrenmu

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Any one else buy one and then POW side collection of cheap well built Chinese folders ? IMOP these are great budget folders and im sure I will be buying more.

Any one else have this happen or have some input in these makers?
 
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I have/have had a Sanrenmu 710, 723, 763 and 605 and have been pleasantly surprised by all of them. The 605 in particular is a fantastic little knife. Could do a lot worse, and I'm not sure you could do much better, at that price range.
 
Completely agree, especially about the SRM 605. That and the 710 are standouts, though - the other SRM and Enlan knives I've seen and handled were not particularly impressive. Not bad, but meh.
 
^ Yes, do you not know from what companies/models they copied ???

Not getting further involved in another one of these threads:p
Just thought I would show the BF sticky rules on the matter.


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Some are pretty "meh", some are great for the price.

Sanrenmu knives I have liked

4107 (for a little watch pocket knife)
605 (as discussed above)
A103
A123
A146
A169
(A*** is your "scalpel" set of 4 sizes)
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Oh boy...here we go again! It took us all of 2 days from the last clone/copy/counterfeit thread debacle to see another one...
 
Ken44 said:
http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php/1080398-Counterfeits-The-Truth-of-the-matter
From the above Sticky in the GB&U....


The Blade Forums rule on where these threads need to be posted...
http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php/1077540-The-Counterfeit-Rule
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Ken44 said:
^ Yes, do you not know from what companies/models they copied ???

Not getting further involved in another one of these threads:p
Just thought I would show the BF sticky rules on the matter.


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Ken is right. Some are blatant copies. Some infringe on US patents. Though some are of original design. I own an Enlan EL-01 and it is a fantastic, originally designed budget hard use folder. That said, the same company(ies) make all sort of knock offs and most likely have been or are involved in the direct counterfeits we see plaguing this hobby. The companies are shaddy at best and some of the things they have done are not acceptable here.
 
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Though some are of original design.
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So in your opinion, is it OK to buy the ones that are of original design? Or if a company most likely has been or is involved in the direct counterfeits we see plaguing this hobby, are they tainted for life? Maybe the best course of action would be to simply avoid ALL Chinese knife manufacturers because they may at one point or the other have been engaged in direct counterfeiting. After all, how could we possibly know which ones were and which ones weren't?
 
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So in your opinion, is it OK to buy the ones that are of original design? Or if a company most likely has been or is involved in the direct counterfeits we see plaguing this hobby, are they tainted for life? Maybe the best course of action would be to simply avoid ALL Chinese knife manufacturers because they may at one point or the other have been engaged in direct counterfeiting. After all, how could we possibly know which ones were and which ones weren't?
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This is no doubt a good question. I don't have an answer. I have the Enlan EL-01 and think it is a good knife. I know Enlan (srm) have done things that stink (counterfeit axis lock). I know I am not looking to add more SRM knives to my stable but I am not throwing that EL-01 out.

I by no means look at all Chinese knives with a broad brush of negativity. However, most counterfeit (what have you) knives come from China. I also know that when discussing this company the fact must be raised.
 
Best to avoid All American knife manufacturers. Because they may at one point or the other have been engaged in direct counterfeiting. After all, how could we possibly know which ones were and which ones weren't?

Crying about copies is about as useful as crying about copies. Or derailing yet another thread for personal axe grinding.

I'm liking the SRM 681 lately. Absolutely fantastic small lockback. SRM is offering some really neat slipjoints, too.
 
The main problem is cultural. There isn't really a concept of intellectual property in China and while they know that they are in the minority, they stick to their cultural norm. It's not shady black market ripping off as much as it's Chinese culture and Communism's sense of shared property for the common good. There really isn't any individual rights as we define it. We do something similar with gun rights, religious rights and even land ownership. Just because it's not normal worldwide doesn't force us to change how our culture deems things should go. In fact we value our differences and use them to our advantage whenever we can.
We are free however to choose with our wallets and that's a great thing but making a moral judgement is a matter of perspective. I choose to try and support American made goods as much as I can but I like a good Rough Rider knife or Sunwayman light too. I think there is a place for all and we can choose for ourselves what we think is best.
 
Agreed. I love my 763s and I wish they weren't discontinued.... but I also have more BMs than I have SRMs.
 
shecky said:
Best to avoid All American knife manufacturers. Because they may at one point or the other have been engaged in direct counterfeiting. After all, how could we possibly know which ones were and which ones weren't?

Crying about copies is about as useful as crying about copies. Or derailing yet another thread for personal axe grinding.

I'm liking the SRM 681 lately. Absolutely fantastic small lockback. SRM is offering some really neat slipjoints, too.
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I have lost a few threads to poop throwing. It is a shame every time I see the same thing when the mods don't drop the hammer on the same handful of derailers.

I have had or handled quite a few Sanrenmu knives, and they are consistently passable to good, their knives have pretty good quality control. No surprise, since many US manufacturers use them for the overseas models. Enlan is pretty in line with SRM on quality (they are believed to be a child company of SRM), albeit a little lower quality. Navy and Bee are rather hit or miss, some are decent and others are just scrap metal. Ganzo is one with more speckled opinions. My Ganzo knives have been great, no issues aside from strong locks (no stick, just stiff springs), others have had nothing but crap. They seem to be pretty hit or miss, both in terms of build quality and blade quality.

Some real standouts in the Chinese market are Kizer and Reate. Great value for the price, and Kizer especially has some staggeringly low priced items for what you get. It seems some Chinese companies are starting an upswing trend in the market, with knives being made to consistently high quality with consistently reasonable prices. Once the sales are good enough to support US warranty departments, domestic companies are in for some really stiff competition.
 
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I have lost a few threads to poop throwing. It is a shame every time I see the same thing when the mods don't drop the hammer on the same handful of derailers.
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What did you expect to happen when you started a thread about a knife that blatantly rips of the design of a well respected manufacturer and also steals the patented locking mechanism from another top notch maker? Then, you wonder what the steel is in this theft of a knife because there is no way it is what is printed on the blade (remember, the company is a bunch of thieves).

Did you not read the link provided by ken44 above? It is clear you don't get how your support of this company directly hurts reputable manufacturers and this hobby. That is okay. There are many of us who do not mind reminding folks like yourself :thumbup:

And you closed that down yourself, remember?
 
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