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You forgot Oreos and Hydrox...
If only this thread was in W&C, we could have so much more fun with the "this or that", but alas we have decency here!
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You forgot Oreos and Hydrox...
If only this thread was in W&C, we could have so much more fun with the "this or that", but alas we have decency here!
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This is not about China bashing. China can make fine products.
It has been explained again and again in plain English; this is about drawing attention to the fact, that some knives are counterfeits, as they rip of a lock system thus harming legitimate knife manufacturers. This can have a negative influence on said legitimate manufacturers ability to produce quality knives for the customers.
That has nothing to do with the multitudes of other Chinese knives out there.
Counterfeits are bad. What is NOT to get?
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It would be much more colorful in W&C, I agree.
Please go ahead and crack 'er open over there; don't forget to invite bld.
Please go ahead and crack 'er open over there; don't forget to invite bld.
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So few people ever try to discuss the knives. It is always politics or ethics. We have a forum for that. There are other forums for that. This forum is for the discussion of the knives, not the ethics or politics behind said knives.
That said, it is well known that Enlan and SRM make a good product, and do not engage in counterfeiting (as far as I know), but still get a whole lot of hate that is hardly, if at all, justified.
That said, it is well known that Enlan and SRM make a good product, and do not engage in counterfeiting (as far as I know), but still get a whole lot of hate that is hardly, if at all, justified.
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They have stolen the axis lock. To think otherwise is ignorant.
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I see lots of excuses being made. Lots of things being said that can not be backed up.
BM can't and won't do anything about this so called rip off of the axis lock. The time is up to do anything about it. Yes, time is up.
http://www.google.com/patents/US5755035
http://www.stopfakes.gov/faqs/how-long-does-patent-trademark-or-copyright-protection-last
That might explain to a few people why benchmade does not bring the hammer down on a small time outfit for selling knives with an axis lock. They ran out of time to do so. Anyone here have a 1911 other than a Colt? Same difference. Colt can't sue Kimber these days and BM can't stop Ganzo.
Like someone else said this is a knife forum. What should upset people is BM straight out of communist China's MAP pricing policy and swift punishment to anyone wanting to give the consumer a competitive price.
Me, I generally stay away from Chinese or anything other than USA made (for knives). That's just me. I will use or buy one if I ever feel like the value is there but I won't be spending money on brands like tac force. (I only buy knives when I need one anyway so I'm not buying high volumes of knives)
I just like reading these threads. So many emotional people. Why can't we just discuss the knives? No emotions, no politics and most certainly expired patents don't have a place here.
BM can't and won't do anything about this so called rip off of the axis lock. The time is up to do anything about it. Yes, time is up.
http://www.google.com/patents/US5755035
http://www.stopfakes.gov/faqs/how-long-does-patent-trademark-or-copyright-protection-last
That might explain to a few people why benchmade does not bring the hammer down on a small time outfit for selling knives with an axis lock. They ran out of time to do so. Anyone here have a 1911 other than a Colt? Same difference. Colt can't sue Kimber these days and BM can't stop Ganzo.
Like someone else said this is a knife forum. What should upset people is BM straight out of communist China's MAP pricing policy and swift punishment to anyone wanting to give the consumer a competitive price.
Me, I generally stay away from Chinese or anything other than USA made (for knives). That's just me. I will use or buy one if I ever feel like the value is there but I won't be spending money on brands like tac force. (I only buy knives when I need one anyway so I'm not buying high volumes of knives)
I just like reading these threads. So many emotional people. Why can't we just discuss the knives? No emotions, no politics and most certainly expired patents don't have a place here.
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Since we're hell bent on the theft of this all important Axis lock...You'd be surprised what foreigners think of Americans. We steal things too apparently.
How's that team America theme go? "America... F*** yeah!"
How's that team America theme go? "America... F*** yeah!"
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They don't want to hear it but good points there. Similar to you, I'm not into Chinese knives at all. These threads get real crazy when folks with agendas start to get desperate.
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I couldn't agree more :thumbup:
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On both sides. I won't buy a BM because of their pricing policy and I won't buy a copy of their designs because I don't see the value when adding $10.00 can get me an American made Buck that I know will flat out perform for me. I don't like the axis lock anyway.
I try to not get fired up. I just got a new generator with a Honda clone 163cc engine made in China. The spark plug looked like it might run for 20 hours. I could bend the electrode to gap it with my fingers. The valve lash was so out of spec I don't think it would have started. Some feeler gauges and a couple wrenches fixed that. The clone engine is so dead on to the original Honda parts will fit and work in it. Other than final assembly and a crappy spark plug it's a great unit.
Best part is the price is less than half of the Honda engine and it's running as good as one and uses the least amount of gas. Ran it full load for 120 hours after doing the 8 hour break in change and it didn't burn a drop of oil. Never seen a portable generator do that before. I see the value there, but I don't see it in their knives yet. If I ever do I won't hesitate to get some. Just not at this time for me.
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So you dont believe that ethics and the manufacture of knives can go hand in hand. Interesting.
You must really hate Spyderco then!
Written tongue in cheek of course (.....not really).
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Chinese knives are not all cut from the same cloth (no pun intended). There are some good knives and there are some inferior quality knives made in China.
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Some things to keep in mind if this thread is to survive:
- Do NOT discuss politics, communism, etc. we have a forum for that if you are so inclined and it requires a gold level membership.
- Do NOT start with any china bashing, we are not about that here. It just borders on racism in some people's mind, and it's not hard to see why.
- Discuss the knives, not one another. Agree to disagree amicably, otherwise refrain from posting.
Carry on.
- Do NOT discuss politics, communism, etc. we have a forum for that if you are so inclined and it requires a gold level membership.
- Do NOT start with any china bashing, we are not about that here. It just borders on racism in some people's mind, and it's not hard to see why.
- Discuss the knives, not one another. Agree to disagree amicably, otherwise refrain from posting.
Carry on.
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Affirmative.
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Here's another thing....There may not be a need to buy a cheap SRM knife. Granted, I own the EL-01. It is fantastic for the price. But the Chinese Kershaws are almost as affordable and come with the backing of a real company. Kershawguy has these at $25 shipped. Far better than any SRM and it sure as hell doesn't screw Benchmade with a ripped off axis lock.
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THANK YOU!!! :thumbup: :thumbup: I'm not sure what it will take to enforce what you posted, but it needed saying from someone in authority.
From now on, anytime I see someone violate what you posted in this thread or any other thread, I will click the triangle of doom. I suspect some folks are going to have to learn your lesson the hard way.
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I hear you there. I'm not going to buy a copy of it, or an original, just doesn't fancy me. The thing is patents only last so long. They paid their fee to keep it every four years, up until 6 years ago. They also only get patent protection for 14 years. 2009 was the last time they paid the fee. The 14 year protection ended in 2010, one year after their last fee was paid.
It looks to me the Ganzo copy is not illegal one bit at all. What I would like to see proof of is these Ganzo axis lock knives being sold before 2010. If they were I agree that they need to pay up some kind of royalty to BM. If not then it's free game. Every patent that's a solid design gets copied after patent protection ends. It's just how things work. In that case someone can buy an axis lock knife without paying opressivve MAP prices. Sounds like a win win for a knife collector or user if they like or want a less costly axis lock.
Just how I see it from a neutral point of view.
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There are tons of things that are flat out wrong that are not illegal.
Plus, about 5 minutes of research shows what you say to be untrue. Posted here on BFC no less: http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/s...-the-AXIS-lock-expire?p=12581057#post12581057
We can go back and forth citing patent law or WTO agreements but not one bit of that matters to me. It is wrong for these companies to steal the axis lock. If folks can't handle hearing about that then they shouldn't post about knives from these companies in general and certainly not ask questions about knives from these companies that illegally use the stolen technology.
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If you all are going to ignore our instructions, we will just shut these threads down.
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