ESEE .22 Survival Rifle Death Chat

partisan1911 said:
Anything you can hit with a .410 you can hit with a well placed shot with a.22.
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I prefer a shotgun on small fast moving or flying game. For a "survival" rifle, a shotgun is a must. If you get a chance, check out "Out of Alaska: A Discovery Experiment", the use a Remington o/u 22/410 to feed themselves for a month. People with no hunting experience AT ALL, were puttin' food in the pot. Shotguns are a must.

Moose
 
partisan1911 said:
Anything you can hit with a .410 you can hit with a well placed shot with a.22.
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I don't entirely agree. Try bird hunting with a .22 and get back to me. Of course, the .410 isn't that much better. You have to be close and you still need to be a crack shot because you just don't get enough spread with a .410.

Still, I remember having to lug one around behind my father and grandfather on quail hunts. I never hit a damn thing with it, but at least I was in the game, I guess. These days, kids have the advantage of all these reduced recoil loads in 12 and 20 gauge.

moosez45, were those folks in Alaska shooting birds at rest with the .410? 'Cause I doubt an inexperienced hunter is suddenly going to become a crack wingshot with that load.
 
I'd say yes Guyon atleast 90% of the birds on that show was at rest whether nestled on the ground or duck in the river/pond or the porcupine treed . then blast away w/.410 under 30yds

I still like the Savage version 22lr/410 & 22lr/20 I would not pass up either
 
Hear ye, hear ye! Heed my internet words and quiver under the power of my forum fists of fury! If that rifle does not ship to my FFL by the time the clock strikes midnight December 31, 2010, I will just wait longer!!!!!!
 
I rarely find that a post makes me laugh out loud but Adam your's has done it. Thank you sir.
 
adaman04 said:
Hear ye, hear ye! Heed my internet words and quiver under the power of my forum fists of fury! If that rifle does not ship to my FFL by the time the clock strikes midnight December 31, 2010, I will just wait longer!!!!!!
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Got mine 3 days ago from Dale-no questions asked OTD. ;)
 
I just got one of those Henry AR7's day before yesterday. I wanted one for years, but heard they just had a bunch of feed and cycling problems. Well it occurred to me the other day that I have already fixed that problem on another gun, my Tec-22, so if I got an AR7 and it did have a problem, it wouldn't be any big deal to fix it.

I found one at one of my local shops that is the older version, not the one with tactical looking rails and orange crap all over it. I beat them into giving me a pretty good deal on it. Somewhere along the lines, the shop had lost the extra magazine that originally came with it. I talked them into giving me a free extra mag, the scope I wanted, and the rifle all for $225 out the door, tax and everything. This is the version I got. The buttstock is basically coated in rhyno-liner.

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The one thing I discovered right off the bat that I didn't care for was how the notch was done to index the barrel when you mount it on the receiver. It not just craxy tight in the little groove so the barrel can twist ever so slightly when yo're tightening the locking nut thingy down, thus making the sights just slightly off. I can't have that. For close up stuff, I can let it go, but for anything further away, I want a good sighting system that I know is pretty spot on. That being the case, I decided to get a small scope for times when I want that accuracy.

The scope I wanted for it is a simple, tough little .22 scope that has a tv reticle. I really like this cope for .22's. I put one on both of my Marlins that I'm saving for my handsom, powerful, successful, and manly sons. What I'm going to do is mount the scope and mark on the rail where everything is so I can mount it in the same place next time. Then, I'm going to sight it in at 50yds. At that point, I can take it off and put it in my handy little foam filled scope box and throw it in the tool compartment with the rifle. When I want to use the scope, all I have to do is mount it in the same spot and it's good to go. I doubt I'll be using the scope very often though. I just wanted one for it just in case.

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So far I'm pretty happy with it. I'm taking it to the range today to do A TON of ammo testing. The only firing I've done with it as of yet was shooting it out the back door of Andy's house. :D Not exactly definitive testing. lol. I'll find out what all cycles through it without problem. I've got several different types of high velocity stuff, really cheap bulk and nicer stuff. I'm also taking a bunch of standard velocity and subsonic to see how that stuff runs. I know that they subsonic won't cycle the weapon's action, but I want to see if standard velocity will, and I also have a small experiement I want to try to see if I can get it to cycle the subsonic stuff. I'm going to do a good post in my forum about it. All in all, I'm pretty stoked about this rifle. I got it to through in the trucks locking tool compatrment and leave it in there.
 
I have to say this is an utterly curious thing. Why would Jeff do this to us? Maybe he foresaw this blast of insanity from the now clear and formal separation of the already separate companies and decided to give us something else to think about?

This is cruel.

I am very curious to see what comes of it. The .22lr is a great little round. I have to say the ability to sling a .410 as well would be great.

God bless,
Adam
 
I have a Charter Arms AR7 and I really like it ,shoots good ,no issues of yet on feeding like most peeps state ? the rear peep sight is small ,I may enlarge the hole a bit but overall I am happy to have it. great lil' gun,I would not dare shoot at small game beyond 40 yards with it ,to make sure I have a clean kill .
 
Dylside,
Be interested in how reliably your new AR7 shoots. Remember mine was bought around 1980 or so, they may have done some improvements.
Don't discount the "sub-sonics" cycling in your gun. The Aquila 60gr. sub-sonics cycle just fine in my Ruger 22/45 and the 10/22 also. Very quiet and accuracy isn't bad either.
 
Maniacal Pete said:
Yeah, bolt action's good, too.
Just not a friggin' single shot, I'm not that good of a shot when I'm trying to survive.
Reliable, accurate, multishot, lightweight, packable .22 survival rifle.
I've been looking for one and have never really found it...
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If you cannot shoot accurately with a .22 then why not a slingshot?:o
An AR-7 already has this market cornered.. and can be had for $200

moosez45 said:
I still think an o/u .22lr/410ga would be freakin' smokin'. cheap ammo(found in abundance),
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yep as a kid this was my favorite combo, I used to have one for years don't remember brand but as a kid it was fun to shoot, back when 410 was affordable..

which lends me to think why you believe .410 is so affordable..?? :confused:its not.. at lease in my neck of the woods..;)

my thoughts are if you really want a 'survival' gun, (which means its part of your load if you go on ANY overnight hike) why not make a zip gun in both calibers, cost you less then $10 and is extremely light, not as accurate for sure but you won't be needing anything to eat for days anyway.. ymmv.. :0)
guns by nature a big and heavy, I have many .22's and my favorite jam free is my ruger mark II I've had for years eats anything and is extremely accurate.. then again if I was heading out I'd make space for hand gun as opposed to rifle.. many options less space but maybe more weight..
 
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I'd say yes Guyon at least 90% of the birds on that show was at rest whether nestled on the ground or duck in the river/pond or the porcupine treed . then blast away w/.410 under 30yds
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It doesn't make sense to me why someone would use a shotgun over a .22 in this case? When I go rabbit, ptarmigan, grouse hunting I just bring my .22 pistol. What is the range people are using their .22's on?
 
Have you checked out Rossi's Wizard rifle/shotgun combos? Have everything from .22 to 45-70 and 410 to 12 ga. If you buy from one of the on-line auction sites and have it sent to your FFL, you get some great prices.

BTW - If you get caught making that "zip-gun" before the SHTF, you can be put in jail :eek:
 
HaroldB said:
BTW - If you get caught making that "zip-gun" before the SHTF, you can be put in jail :eek:
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oops, was that (typing) out loud?? man I hate when I do that.. You're right, however without gun powder residue what is it?? Yeah, with the way things are anymore you get caught with anything resembling something 'dangerous' and you are done for.. :eek:

thanks, I do need to watch my p's and q's..
 
partisan1911 said:
Anything you can hit with a .410 you can hit with a well placed shot with a.22.
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Really?
I'll take a .410 shotgun and you take a .22 rifle, and we'll have a friendly wager down at the trap or skeet range...I don't think I'll be the one down on cash at the end.:D
 
Maniacal Pete said:
Yeah, bolt action's good, too.
Just not a friggin' single shot, I'm not that good of a shot when I'm trying to survive.
Reliable, accurate, multishot, lightweight, packable .22 survival rifle.
I've been looking for one and have never really found it...

pete
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Take a look at a Browning Semi Auto .22. Nice little gun. Small profile. It is a takedown rifle - the barrel unscrews from the reciever which makes it very packable. It is suprisingly accurate.
 
Granted I wouldn't be able to hit a bird on the fly but a running rabbit is not issue, especially with a semi-auto. I will have to dig out some pictures and video over Christmas break! As far as a skeet range I don't think a .410 would be all that impressive. I shoot quite a bit of trap and skeet. A .410 would cause you to waste a lot of shells unless you really slow things down.


What is the effective range of a .410 both stationary and moving? The best I have done with my .22 is 130yards stationary on ptarmigan and 20 yards on rabbits running.
 
partisan1911 said:
As far as a skeet range I don't think a .410 would be all that impressive. I shoot quite a bit of trap and skeet. A .410 would cause you to waste a lot of shells unless you really slow things down.
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It sure ain't great, but it beats a rifle!:D
But yes, I end up with alot of misses when a .410 is used.
 
HaroldB said:
Dylside,
Be interested in how reliably your new AR7 shoots. Remember mine was bought around 1980 or so, they may have done some improvements.
Don't discount the "sub-sonics" cycling in your gun. The Aquila 60gr. sub-sonics cycle just fine in my Ruger 22/45 and the 10/22 also. Very quiet and accuracy isn't bad either.
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I have a bunch of .22 rifles and handguns and most of them cycle subsonics just fine, but its been my experience that anything touchy about ammo usually won't.

I'm going to post a huge thread tonight on my range findings. Time to go run errands for right now. Long story short, the Remington standard velocity works best in my AR7. It was EXTREMELY touchy about the ammo it would shoot, but that stuff worked the best. Pretty good rounds too. Remington makes a decent SV round. Also, surprisingly enough, Aguila SSS (subsonic Sniper) rounds worked great. I had one FTF, but everything cycled smoothly. Just didn't go bang on one of them. Alright, enough for now. More later.
 
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