ESEE .22 Survival Rifle Death Chat

partisan1911 said:
With my 2x fixed scope and 6" barrel I am popping the heads off grouse with the mkIII at 50 yards. I imagine a cooper or other higher end .22 rifle can out shoot this pistol but the standard 10/22 does not. I like the ability to put my pistol in my buttpack. I don't think it is the best survival weapon but it sure is fun for the small game.
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Damn, that's about 1 MOA with a 6" pistol. Pretty damn impressive. Would really like to see this.
 
It's actually around 2 MOA at 50yds. Shooting supported at 100yds it gets 2MOA or better consistently. You have to remember this is a .22 pistol with minor work done to it. Heck, my rifles have to shoot at inch at 200yds or the load or rifle still needs work.
 
I was figuring that if you take a grouse's head clean off then you need to hit about a 1/2" diameter spot at 50 yds. Thus 1 MOA.

So, what you're saying is all your rifles are 1/2 MOA?
 
R.A.T. said:
I was figuring that if you take a grouse's head clean off then you need to hit about a 1/2" diameter spot at 50 yds. Thus 1 MOA.

So, what you're saying is all your rifles are 1/2 MOA?
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:D I'd say Plus or Minus .250" but then again I am a BS'r :p
 
a 22LR @ ,50Yds and down Small game Rifle /pistol I'd say that is plenty good !
Being I walk right up to Rabbits or Squirrels Less than 10-15yds & I'd pop 'em is that cheating ??? :D ;)
 
All my bolt action rifles are 1/2 MOA capable. Of course I spend alot of money to get the rifle done right and a ton of time messing with the loads. My lever actions and of course ar-15 is not but they are still plenty accurate for their purpose.

After I shot my first cull custom rifle I never bought factory again. There are some factory rifles that shoot that good straight out of the box with some load tinkering but I like the feel of getting the rifle built to my specs. Right now I have my .243AI predator killer getting built. After having to track a coyote last year for about a half mile through waist deep snow last year I felt the need for a little more energy downrange.
 
I gave up on this thread.....I found out I couldn't shoot worth a shit and that hitting a chicken egg at 200 yards (2 MOA) with my .17 HMR was nothing unusual, especially when a man with a 6 inch pistol can do the same thing. I know when I'm beat. :)
 
R.A.T. said:
I gave up on this thread.....I found out I couldn't shoot worth a shit and that hitting a chicken egg at 200 yards (2 MOA) with my .17 HMR was nothing unusual, especially when a man with a 6 inch pistol can do the same thing. I know when I'm beat. :)
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The .17 HMR is a pretty cool round. My dad and I both bought Savage 93R17s several years back for plinking. We were shooting at Ritz crackers at 150 to see what the round was capable of. Nothing happened, so we went down range to set up more targets. The .17 was punching perfect .17 cal holes through the crackers so we couldn't tell we were making hits. That and throwing water 10 feet in the air when you hit a soda can full of water is pretty neat from a rimfire.
 
Anything past 100yds with any of my .22 pistols and all bets are off trying to hold decent groups. I shoot with some guys that can maintain a great grouping out to 300yds with their .22 bolt action rifles but the wind has to be perfect.

The .17HMR is a fun caliber to shoot. I think the velocity of that bullet and form factor helps buck the wind quite a bit better. I can't wait for ruger to offer that in the form of their mark III pistols.
 
Dude an ESEE folding 10/22 stock sounds awesome. I just got an old school aluminum trigger group for $30 that I'm going to slap in mine in the morning. It has a WAY better trigger pull than the polymer trigger group thats on it now.
 
partisan1911 said:
All my bolt action rifles are 1/2 MOA capable. Of course I spend alot of money to get the rifle done right and a ton of time messing with the loads. My lever actions and of course ar-15 is not but they are still plenty accurate for their purpose.

After I shot my first cull custom rifle I never bought factory again. There are some factory rifles that shoot that good straight out of the box with some load tinkering but I like the feel of getting the rifle built to my specs. Right now I have my .243AI predator killer getting built. After having to track a coyote last year for about a half mile through waist deep snow last year I felt the need for a little more energy downrange.
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I think the point is that most people aren't adequately skilled to blow the head off a pine chicken at 100 yards using a .22 pistol over our shoulder sighted in a shaving mirror (with shaving cream on the face, of course). But we have to eat, too; hence the utility of a lightweight, packable .22 survival rifle for the rest of us lummoxes. I like the idea of a short. aftermarket folding 10/22 stock that is designed to work as advertised out of the box. I think ESEE cares enough about maintaining their stellar reputation to "make it so," so to speak.

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I think another thing is being lost in that micro-debate. American Indians were able to eat consistently with totally inferior archery equipment compared to today's standards. By today's standards, that equipment was not only primitive, it was dismal.

They knew how to stalk and they knew how to still hunt, too. If you don't know that, your chances of being able to bring down game when it really counts is greatly diminished.

Ideally, you should be able to shoot well and to hunt well, they compliment each other. When it comes to survival food with very little "sport" in it, if you had to choose between being an excellent hunter or an excellent marksman, I'd choose being an excellent hunter every time.
 
I agree! That's why we love you, Don, you simply make sense most of the time.
 
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