ESEE-3F Folder with Lion Steel is Canceled!

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If I look a man in the eyes, shake his hand, and tell him I'm going to do something, then I do it. Period. It's called honor, and it seems to be a forgoten word in the business world these days.

In any case, everything happens for a reason. And I'm sure you all will figure out the reason at some point. In the meantime, you'll Get er Done.
 
I am of two minds - I am sorry that this news will put the folder back on the drawing boards, but I am glad that the Italians have not tried to do what every manufacturer in Asia would have done - taken all the orders, made the promises and then out-jobbed the production to backyarders with the quality problems to follow.
I depend on the tools I carry, and dont carry much so it is essential that they work and keep working.
I will keep the money back until you are good and ready. No substitution for this ESEE folder.. Keep it up !
 
In spite of what i said before, I'm glad to hear it will be made in the US. :thumbup:
 
All things happen for a reason. This will just allow further development for an awesome folder!
 
Very sorry to hear this...I am sure is was very disappointing and I hope you find a replacement company without allot of headache. As stated before, I will wait as long as it takes and look forward to a finished product!
 
Man, that's a bummer to hear. Guess that's just how shit works out sometimes, unfortunately. Can't trust people. Sad.
 
Wow

Where was all this pro-USA sentiment two weeks ago when we had the poll?:confused:

Anyways, as one of the 18% that actually voted for a domestic knife, I have to say this is great news.

My hat is off to Rowen for stepping up too. Thank you. :thumbup:
 
Oh well. Live to die another day.
I do find their position tacky and unprofessional.
Someone tell em what knives they produce so I will know not to ever buy them.
 
5.56 said:
Anyways, as one of the 18% that actually voted for a domestic knife, I have to say this is great news.
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Only 18%? Well, at least I wasn't alone. Anytime I can think of a product that I have that was made in the U.S., I know it's never failed me. Having the knife remain domestic means that despite ESEE's warranty, I'll never have to think about using it (the warranty).
 
BBQ BOY said:
Oh well. Live to die another day.
I do find their position tacky and unprofessional.
Someone tell em what knives they produce so I will know not to ever buy them.
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Do not make a mistake.
Esee asked me to produce samples nothing else. They tryed till last days before Shot Show to find an US producer!!
I promised them to make the samples within the Shot Shot. I have honored my promised like always LionSteel do.
I have never accept production program only because I have never had a purchase order!!... I say you more... my feeling was that they did not wanted make that knife outside US.

I would like to know if there is a company in all knives business that start to work 2.000 knives, under not his own name, without a formal purchase order.... it is incredible...

It was not a problem if we have to change one screw with another.. but only trust in a producer. If they had confidence in LionSteel why they looked for to another vendor till last days before Shot Show?
Why they did not be clear immediately with me?

During the Shot Show meeting (we had it during the third day of the show) they asked me 4 weeks for the purchase order.
What would happen if during the four weeks they will find an American supplier?
What I have to do in the next four weeks... I should say to LionSteel's customers that I can not send to them the already collected order because I am waiting the Esee order?

2000 pieces are a big order, not a joke.

I'm really sorry, it's not easy to say no to a possible order of 2000 pieces under a good name like Esee, but I have no power to do that.
 
I think that Esee should say thanks to LionSteel.
We have had the courage to say no rather than accept the order and possibly cause problems to the good image of ESEE.

LionSteel has chosen the more difficult street, but one that meets the quality standards of the two companies

I am sure that no one Esee's fan and LionSteel's fan would be happy to have standard quality less than they are accustomed
 
The show will go on. I am starting to think that Esee is the knife company in the same way as Roy's, Weatherby firearm company.
When a Hand shake is as good as a legal document. Well done Esee.
 
Thanks to Jeff and Gianni for views from both sides!

Let´s not blame any of the involved companies - you obviously weren´t able to clearly explain your needs and discuss what you want from your partner and when you want it exactly, you all made mistakes. And the whole thing turned this way.

But I have to appreciate your openness, Jeff and Gianni. Even when you didn´t make the deal you are talking about each other in very respectful manner. And that´s what I like.

I wish Esee and LionSteel the best and I hope this thing is over soon. I believe you´re going to explain what happened in privacy. That´s the best solution for both companies and then, you can come out with joint statement in which you inform us knifenuts, what exactly happened and what lead Esee and LionSteel to end thier cooperation. That would end any discussions. Nothing more, nothing less. I feel that doing this is even more gentleman-way of communication then just responding to Jeff´s/Gianni´s posts in forum and being influenced by emotions and thoughts coming from forum members (who can never get to the core).

But don´t get me wrong, I really appreciate informing the Esee customers immediately :thumbup:!
 
GianniLion said:
I never answer because it is not my sub-forum.

You never confirmed me that you wanted give me the production. In these pages you have written several time that you would like to have an US producer. LionSteel task was only produce the samples.
You opened a poll in order to understand what Esee's users think about that, in spite of 82% were agree you did not confirm me nothing, but after that you have given the technical drawing to an user in order to have a quotations from a US company (we were already in 2011 !!! ).

I promised to produce the samples of this items in spite of knowing all of this, and in spite of you broke signed contract for the Hest folder. I have done them and brings to you within the ShotShow.

During the third days of the exhibition we had a good meeting (if you were in a hurry you could confirm me about your intention immediately when we met at your booth the first day).
In that meeting we spoke about the samples. I gave all my suggestion and all my experience. In that meeting you asked me how long time could take me produce 2.000 pieces. I answer June. But even in this time you did not confirm me the order, but you told me that you needed 4 weeks to decide.
Of course I shook your hand before going out from your booth, I shook it to all of them but in the same way that I shook it when I come in your booth. It is a polite way to say hello.

Sunday, when I was coming back to Italy you write me a mail informing me that you were going to send me an PO in four week.
During my first working day I immediately inform you about production problem.

My questions are:
If you would like to have lionSteel to produce your folders why you keeped me in this not clear position?
why did you inform esee customers before the producer?
why are you writting now that I do not respect my words?

I had from the first day the sensation that you would not use LionSteel. that one was my feelings.

So at the end I am very sorry that I have not the power to produce the Esee knives, maybe I am missing a great opportunity. But from the other side I can not guarantee you delivery time like you want this year...believe me, it would be much easier to accept the order and then delayed supplies, but I am not used to work in this way, not usefull for both company.

Sorry for my bad English but I hope that everyone understand my position.
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GianniLion said:
Do not make a mistake.
Esee asked me to produce samples nothing else. They tryed till last days before Shot Show to find an US producer!!
I promised them to make the samples within the Shot Shot. I have honored my promised like always LionSteel do.
I have never accept production program only because I have never had a purchase order!!... I say you more... my feeling was that they did not wanted make that knife outside US.

I would like to know if there is a company in all knives business that start to work 2.000 knives, under not his own name, without a formal purchase order.... it is incredible...

It was not a problem if we have to change one screw with another.. but only trust in a producer. If they had confidence in LionSteel why they looked for to another vendor till last days before Shot Show?
Why they did not be clear immediately with me?

During the Shot Show meeting (we had it during the third day of the show) they asked me 4 weeks for the purchase order.
What would happen if during the four weeks they will find an American supplier?
What I have to do in the next four weeks... I should say to LionSteel's customers that I can not send to them the already collected order because I am waiting the Esee order?

2000 pieces are a big order, not a joke.

I'm really sorry, it's not easy to say no to a possible order of 2000 pieces under a good name like Esee, but I have no power to do that.
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GianniLion said:
I think that Esee should say thanks to LionSteel.
We have had the courage to say no rather than accept the order and possibly cause problems to the good image of ESEE.

LionSteel has chosen the more difficult street, but one that meets the quality standards of the two companies

I am sure that no one Esee's fan and LionSteel's fan would be happy to have standard quality less than they are accustomed
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Thank you Gianni, I understand your position. I've never bought any Lionsteel knives... but that SR-1 folder looks impressive just from pictures and videos :thumbup:. Best of luck to you and Lionsteel this year. Although I must say, I am very bummed that this folder won't have "Italy" on the flat anymore ;)
 
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